We're talking about BH-5 and UTT chips. I know of no company bining those chips to hit 280mhz. OCZ and Gskill have PC4800 of TCCD chips tho, if thats what your getting at.
jjcom
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We're talking about BH-5 and UTT chips. I know of no company bining those chips to hit 280mhz. OCZ and Gskill have PC4800 of TCCD chips tho, if thats what your getting at.
jjcom
4400le, 4800la, 4800ff. Of course, BH-5 won't do 300MHz, but a 275MHz bin is definetly feasible, as even BH-6 can do those speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
yeah, those are TCCD, but I would wait and see. Winbond "just" came back. The BH die is coming out again so I would wait and see how things turn out.
jjcom
Not necessarily. There are plenty of old BH-5 chips still available on the market. Who knows, maybe OCZ decided to buy them up and see which are good, and which not? There aren't many "overclocking" weeks left, but you could still find some if you looked hard enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
I doubt that a good number of BH5 does 275MHz at any timings. At least, none of my BH5`s got over 276MHz no matter what timings and volts (up to 4.1...). Most were not even gaining 5-7 MHz by loosing the timings...
If we were to test each indevidual IC, then build modules with these IC's we could in theory make PC4400 2-2-2, issue is it would cost huge amounts and i bet we would only ever see 1 or 2 kits sold.
We have the BH IC's now, its called 3200gold BH and it responds well to burn in and does do 2-2-2 at a lower voltage than the VX, issue is we are not sure how high. As usual some will do real well, most will do pretty ok and a few will be disapointed.
Its real hard keeping you lot happy ;)
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Originally Posted by iddqd
jjcom and bigtoe's responses should answer your questions, right? its all about yields and i dont think you understand that ocz knows the yields far better than you or i. obviously tccd yields are better than these winbond chips or pc4400 would already be sold by ocz.
just remember....we're overclockers...and buying them at a certain speed rather than overclocking the heck out of them should be "our game" rather than it being handed to us on a silver platter by cost intensive speed binning
yes i would love to have some pc4400vx guaranteed too :banana:
They don't know yeilds in a particular week until they get the shipment. If anybody know anything about yeilds, it's Winbond. Besides, not too much CH-5 will do 275.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinkgai
I'm pretty sure they can be machine-binned. Otherwise, how can G.Skill do so much binning? It would require a huge staff working around the clock to bin each chip for ... 8 different speeds? And, of course they wouldn't be able to sell pc4400le for mere $275.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
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Originally Posted by iddqd
Well there are different chances for a BH-5 to reach 265+(2-2-2)
and a TCCD module to reach 275+(2.5-3-3).
Personally I'd say, TCCD's chance to meet 275+ is way~~~
bigger than a BH-5 to reach 265+.
That's why G.Skill is able to bin their products,
and it's hard for OCZ to bin their BHs.
BTW I wonder if my previous thread regarding the VX PC4000 has
been ignored. lol
iddqd, if its as easy as you make it sound..."if they can do this, so can you!"...then people wouldnt have to go to school for business and management and all that other stuff and businesses wouldnt go out of business
The numbers I gave are just examples, I'm not a CEO or anything; they don't have to live with them. It's just an example set to convey the idea I had. Sheesh... I'm sure OCZ can decide what speeds to bin them much better than I can, since they actually have access to the chips. I'm just saying... and I'm just saying, that they should do more accurate binning, so people will know exactly what they're getting. ryanpgroovy(sorry if it wasn't you, I can't really remember) insists that it's only possible to machine-bin for 200MHz, and for anything over, you have to hand-test them... Well, I say it's possible to machine-bin for any frequency.Quote:
Originally Posted by formyfaith
i just noticed in your sig that "degreelessness mode" is on
turn it off and get a degree...lol
As far as machine binning , Its not that it cant be done over 200Mhz , its that we feel it was inaccurate over 200Mhz ( though now feel we can be accurate in the 266Mhz range)
also keep in mind if we start bining everything to tightly , we will see increased complaints ( typicaly from people with rigs that arent up to par) , and since we sell such a large quanity of memory and offer such a high level of service that could potentialy clog up our service system
It is a much better strategy to offer most of our product lineups with signifcant overhead , that way , even with the worst rig people will love the product, the problem being the higher the speed bin the less overhead we can offer
woah...you can machine bin @ 266, possibly? then you can at 233 reliably, most likely. that pretty darn encouraging.
Yes and typicaly that means our lower end products end up cheaper and get faster ( than before):-)
"3200 gold BH-5 does 2-2-2 at lower voltage than VX"
these sticks will surely not disapoint :toast:
somewhere in this thread it states that the bh5 wont outrun the vxQuote:
Originally Posted by Jaco
i'd rather have better top speed than lower volts at lower speed, esp since vx is warranted up to 3.5v for life anyways :banana:
i guess this would be good for people that dont have the voltage supply
I'm using OCZ memory kits since last year.
They perform like hell on my systems giving me tight timings and high frequencies :D
I've had a pc 3200 plat LE (bh6) dual channel kit 2x256 that did 245@3.4v and currently I own a dual channel kit 2x256 pc3500 plat LE (bh5) that benches @ 270 2-2-2-5 with 3.5v on my DFI SLI-DR and a pc3200 VX dual channel kit that benches @ 272 mhz with 3.7v :slobber:
So yeah, OCZ RULES :banana: :banana: :banana:
thanks waxman
Well, I suppose that's why G.Skill started using letter designation codes in the first place. But then it kinda ran away to pc4800... :Dhaha. So you could sell the product as pc3200A, pc3200B and people with NF7-S, or a bad memory controller on their Winchester won't have any excuse to RMA, because the product is only "rated" for pc3200 anyway. But the , say pc3200B version is actually binned at 233MHz, and costs $20 more.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
If you are referring to TCCD memory, this product iis much more predictable and easier to speed bin. It also is much more forgiving in so far as speeds (IE: it typically doesn't run totally stable at 252 and fail all tests at 253mhz like some UTT does).Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
The point is that with UTT you can have a stick that fails at 1mhz over test spec and another that does 15mhz over. So I suppose we could test PC4200 speeds and sell the VX as PC4200 for a stiff premium in price (and extremely limited quantities), but some would be dissapointed that it "only" does 266mhz.
I suppose we could start selling LED fans instead of memory, but I am sure even then some would be dissapointed that the fan only does 2702 RPM when it's speced at 2700. ;)
That's a good one... :lol: :rotf:Quote:
Originally Posted by andyOCZ
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Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
Anytime bud :thumbsup:
OCZ guys,
Out of curiosity, what percentage of RMAs turn out to be good? Meaning, the product was good, but the user thought it was bad.
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Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
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Originally Posted by Waxman
Just kidding. OCZ get 5 times as much :slapass: even though they have great memory PSUs and customers service.