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I did notice the specs on the first page. However, all non-final specs are always subject to change (as we already know). To be honest, I am very much intrigued by this board, but only a fool would draw a clear conclusion without actual results to go by.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcnbns
deception``
That's true, I would agree that only leaks from the waterblock should be warrantied. You're right that it would be difficult to figure out who was at fault, but then they should ask that all waterblocks be sent in with the mobo then check for leakage. If none is found, then obviously replacement of the mobo under warranty would not be justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcnbns
That's true, Toyota in fact prefers that you get the supercharger installed at the dealership. But they also prefer that you do all your service at the dealership as well. AFAIK according to US law for cars, the manufacturer can not void the warranty on account of someone else doing the installation/service alone. ie)If you get documentable proof that you always get your oil changed at 3000 miles but not by Toyota, they can not just void your warranty if your engine is sludged just because you didn't get the oil changed by them. Now if it were to be found that you used really poor quality oil that led to this, sure there's no reason they can't void your warranty. As long as no obvious modification and no negligance has been found on the part of the user, a car's warranty can not be legally voided. They might try to do so anyways...
Now if the mobo manufacturer specifically puts on their warranty:
"Although we have created a custom WB for this application and tested it, if it were to leak we won't cover it." Then you're out of luck, and that's the type of thing I was originally comtemplating in my post. Either way, my point was that if DD sells the block, then the issue is clearer since DD would probably not warrantee a mobo they did not make nor would the mobo maker against an aftermarket add-on that they are not directly selling. If the mobo maker offers the block, they could still opt to not warranty it (ie. offer it as a "at your risk" component, but doing so would leave some people confused about buying something specifically made for the mobo and purchased through the mobo maker that wouldn't be directly supported) but that would be at their discretion of course. Again, I'm not trying to say that they would be FORCED to warranty against leaks, but that they could do so if they wanted to. I am simply ASKING if they would, but the person I was posting in reply to was stating that it was OBVIOUS that it shouldn't be due to an argument that was not necessarily based on truth.
Clearly it isn't as obvious as he/she thought if he/she would consider all the possibilities. :banana4:
I just can't wait to see how the power clockers can abuse this baby!!! I just bought most of the parts for a 754 build but eventually we all gotta go PCIe sometime and this already looks like the board to play with. They used alot of the suggestions the people here offered up and if the quality is there...well this thing has the potential to take over the enthusiast market for AMDs
That is one Xtreme motherboard! :slobber: Thank you for listening to us! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
I hope there will be an AMR version too :D And I hope there will be more mounting holes around the cpu area. I wonder if that TDX thingie is as good as my antarctica, or if there are a point in replacing it with another waterblock at all. I wonder what those pinheaders and jumpers near the Sapphire brand does. I also wonder what the dimensions on those nipples are. As the motherboard is standard ATX, someone cold measure it out of the picture if they wanted.. (someone do it! :)) I hope your motherboard drivers will be good and intensively testet. I guess this is the board where you will use the also dicussed overclocking software. I hope this will be up to the task as well in every way.
It looks like a graphics card might conflict with the memory tho. All those waterblocks will defenitely heat some water. And coupled with a waterblock on a heavy overclocked and voltmodded X800 card, this loop will recuire some serious cooling! Looks like my dual heatercore will come to its right. Although I'm really thinking two separate loops will be needed for optimal cpu and gpu overclocking. I really hope the mosfets and the NB can be cooled passively, also under heavy overclocking. (like my P4C800..) Because new hw should be more effective, right?
I wonder what will prove better.. this and a rev E, or a Pentium M adapter ;)
After all, switching to pci-e will be godamn expensive.
As you can see, there is a lot of hoping :p: As the others have said, you still have a lot to proove to us.
I wish you good luck! :toast:
The more I look at this motherboard and what not the more I think this is My next upgrade for zoom1, I'll still need a psu, cpu, water cooling and vapochill LS for the cpu, But It should do just fine with an FX-57 cpu. :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
MSI Radeon Xpress 200Quote:
Originally Posted by WiCKeD
Hopefully this will be out come summer.
And how do I get those wicked DD waterblocks?
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Originally Posted by Grayskull
Ok, 1st - are the A56 and A58 a DEAD product now? This link shows two Sapphire boards and they are NOT this board? Anyone know what the hell is going on? They've had the A56 and A58 announced for quite awhile now and still no product pages?
2nd - Sapphire now has 3 announced ATI Radeon Xpress boards showing and what is this mobo model?
3rd. Is ATI going to be marketing the same mobo's under different companies like Powercolor, Sapphire etc? Hehe - this ought to be fun keeping up with the right BIOS. I know my Connect3D X850 XT PE is the same as 2 or 3 other brands, Asus being one of them. I for one could use a little less cross company marketing to stop my head from spinning around and around so much.
Socket 939 K8T890 , nForce4, SiS 756, Radeon Xpress 200 Next Gen Motherboard Pricing and Availability List
Well, red is usually not one of my favourite but i must admit i just like the look of the mobo, so here we go for another pic, aircooling this time: http://www.clubic.com/t/screenshot121448.html
Seeing that, It might be possible for an XP-120 to fit there instead. That's cause the XP-120 is within AMDs specs for heatsinks and I like Its performance as I have one on zoom2 already, As long as the Caps aren't too tall that is. Oh and It looks better in the Clubic picture than It does in the Cebit photo, Just more subdued. Oh and I've fired off an email to Thermalright about this, They may not have an answer Yet, Unless they've had a sample board to work with already that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
Another pic of this board can be seen here:
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/gallery/sh...3288&password=
Go to CEBIT Day 2 -> Page 12. I didn't post a direct link so people will see they have a bunch of great pics from CEBIT. :D
just put waterblock... :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
good lord this board is so nice. Props to Sapphire and ATi!
I'll pass on the dangerden blocks, g5 will be going on there with air cooling for the mosfets and NB, SB. Hopefully this board isn't all show and no go. Makes you wonder if DFI will be making this board.... heh. I could see Oscar Wu moonlighting to write a bios for ati, hehe. Judging from prelim reviews of the sample though, looks like theres a very good chance this will be THEE board.
sign me up! ill try one out!
Yes can't wait to see some production benchmarks
I said something half as cool. As an overclocker, that board doesn't even rate. :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Abraxas
I think This will be a part of my next upgrade. I'm now sitting on a DFI ut Lanparty, amd64 3400+ DTR and ocz TCCD... And i just cant live with this mobo anymore.. It's so unstable, and only single channel... :( So i first had my eyes on MSI s939 SLI, but this one from ATi just got my juices flowing here:)
Hope it will be out before June this year... Would be rally nice with this mobo, a64 4200+ and a r520 together with my pair of tccd's....
*dreaming*
heres some pics ive found searching around the web for more info .
Nice pics, Although on the 3rd one I could only read ATi and the rest is blurry, Possibly needed a better camera or just adjust the one You've got if possible that is. Was that 3rd one of the Northbridge or the Southbridge? :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by 3FFeX
NB-- caps to the right, matching thermal pad tear off, only one with a heatsink removed, and we've seen the SB before :PQuote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
Thanks Dips.Quote:
Originally Posted by dippyskoodlez
if it preforms as good as it should (according to paper) hello one of those when i next upgrade :D
how come hte ATI reps are so quiet now? am i mistaken or they havent posted for a while?
i bet there Busy, the ati show & new products..Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
and they probably dont browse the forums on weekends, as its probably their "time off" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dissolved