Alonso told it the first time on page #1 of this thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
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Alonso told it the first time on page #1 of this thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
in lower voltage too ;) the sweet spot for the UTTs proccess seemed to be 3.4VQuote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
Is Twinmos (and OCZ) the only mfg that applies UTT's?
Interesting... Ill ask around and see what I can dig up.Quote:
Originally Posted by esdee
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Originally Posted by Sentential
Atleast A-Data and Diamond also use this chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
Yea the person I was talking to hasnt contacted me about what their discussion with Winbond was. Perhaps this was it. Kinda sux when there is a time difference. i was too tired to stay upQuote:
Originally Posted by esdee
:dammit:
Wouldnt suprise me seein how Adata is OCZ's cheif supplier ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
@ Stilt..... FFFFKKKKK... I cant afford Euro's, Im a poor American FFFFKKKK :slobber:
you aint poor, otherwise you wouldnt have bought 4 sticks of UTT :D
and you have X800XT...geeze.... :stick:
Little update:
Finding out more information concerning UTT. UTT is infact its actual name. Lemme try to clarify the issue:
Infineon makes the UTT modules. To avoid paying tariffs on the modules which is about 15% Twinmos/OCZ / etc request that these modules are left unmarked.
These unbinned modules can and are used in a wide variety of Infineon/Mosel products but most people dont know them because they are normally binned and given a label.
With UTT they are blank and leave the reseller to manually bin the RAM. Thus the ICs are either hit or miss. Frankly im a little confused as to how this is legal but apparentally according to what this perons says it happens all the time and is "buisness as usual"
The "wonder" of UTT is nothing more than heavily binned and volted Infineon.
Btw it is moving to a smaller process very soon. Ill have an update on that later
So.....
Winbond gives Infineon their whizbang recipies
Infineon creates the same cake, but in their ovens... maybe making the cake smaller to reduce costs and increase profits
Infineon sells these cakes to all bakeries at a reduced price, but with no guarantee they will be up to any desert standards
The bakeries now tastetest these cakes and label them accordingly so Joe-CakeLover-Average doesn't get a chocolate cake when he was really after carrot cake
Quality of cake testings is OCZ > TwinMOS > Mtec > Infineon
Am I close Sentential? hehehe
i think u hit bullseye, Rabbi_NZ! :p:
smaller process?... hummm... still on DDR? DRR2... maybe DDR3?
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Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
rabbi you confused ( :D ) me but i know i like one thing ... Black Forest ;)
Ill take a Double choc & butter cream cake pls
I hope these mems arrive to the stores soon... :slobber:
Some results would be nice too.
I don't buy it.
Winbond makes the ICs FOR Infineon, Infineon does not make the ICs. I believe that it was Alonso, the TwinMOS rep who stated that Winbond is under an agreement that does not allow it to sell Winbond branded chips, not that they can't produce chips. See attached news release. It states that the Winbond UTT chips are not labeled. It also states that Infineon only used part of the capacity, which is why the excess capacity is being utilized.
http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/...0000055550.htm
Infineon ICs are physically different than Winbond made chips. See attached for comparisons if you need to. Most here KNOW what Winbond chips look like.
http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/TENJIKAN-DDR.htm
Winbond uses Infineon technologies (R&D) because Winbond could not afford to do this on their own.
I have seen nothing posted that would lead me to believe that Infineon is producing UTT, however, they may have some UTT based ram, since they are buying UTT from Winbond. We have analyzed this UTT to death in 90 pages over at the TwinMOS thread. NOTHING has changed...it is Winbond.
Yes he did. I got a little more clarification today. Here's the *real* issue at hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by enok
Any forign semi-conductor that is bought in the USA is taxed like a mother:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::ban ana:.
What happens is that Infineon produces the base ICs for Winbond. Winbond then rebadges/packages them in what small fabs they have. They tweek em and get em going.
Then to avoid tariffs and taxations they do not bin them or lable them their tru form "Infineon".
If its Infineon it immediatly gets a 15% tariff, for Hynix its as high as 57%
Winbond sells the bare ICs to their good buds at Twinmos and pocket the 15% for themselves since the bare ICs are non-taxable. Overall its pretty shady but according to my sources its just "buisness as usual"
Btw there is no name for this stuff other than its pure code name "UTT". It is neither Infineon OR winbond because it isnt binned by them.
THink of it this way. All winbond is doing is selling repackaged Infineon chips by the lot. Twinmos buys them and bins them accordingly. Some do very well most dont.
Ive asked for what micron they are using and expect that to come soon. But yes Infineon's fabs are going to a smaller die process, Ill find out what as well..
However the REALLY interesting fact is this.... what were those base ICs to be used in Infineon RAM? Since they are UTT based technically we should start seeing Infineon sticks that do UTT timings and voltage. Perhaps not as good but it should be a clear sign
Also from the same source I have *BIGGER* news that you all would like to hear....
Getting word via the grapevine that Samsung is in the testing phase of the successor to TCCD <no im not kidding> Details are still sketchy and they do not know if they will go public with it or not.
Depending on the consumer demand we may or may not see TCCE <guessing>
Either way its binned clocks are expected to come in at a whopping DDR550 making it the first and only binned RAM clocked that high <tccd is 500>
did you mean 550, because you said whopping 500, highest ever binned, and then tccd is 500?
nvm, you fixed it. incredible, binned at the fab at 550. that means that the sellers could probably bin that stuff at like 650 for their expensive performance ram.
dude, you really got me confused now. Infineon sell winbond there own chips?
Is infineon based over seas and winbond based in the us?
I edited my post just after you replied :owned:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
[Edited post for clarity] Gimme a break :( spent the last 6 hrs at work and had 5 classes today. Sen = So tired :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
Infineon makes the bare / base ICs and winbond beefs them up and repackeges them. Thats how UTT is made.
Producer = Infineon
Repackager = Winbond
From what I understand this is all done in the same factory since Infineon aquired almost all of Winbond's dram assets and then split em with Mosel
Its no differnt than buying reved up CTD50 from Adata. Ya'll know what i mean
yea :)
how long was tccd on the market? if they released tcce within the next 6 months, would it be on the market about as long as tccd was before ddr2 comes out?