pleaaaase. I dont want to buy Nvidia... I want ATI, now!!!!
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pleaaaase. I dont want to buy Nvidia... I want ATI, now!!!!
yeah, I've used an ATi AXP chipset, a Nvidia AXP chipset, and a VIA AXP chipset. out of them the Nvidia and the ATi were the best. So I'm very interested in this board
jjcom
this is a good thread
my choices, nice and simple
AT LEAST 3.5v vdimm, 1.9v vcore
northbridge auto voltage control
1.8v agp/PCI-E
2x PCI-E 8x, spaced far apart and starting at the highest atx slot position (to allow for aircooling bottom card) ATI and NV compatible
-EITHER awesome onboard sound, or 1 PCI slot for soundcard
integrated dialup modem 56k (for those poor chaps with dialup, now dont lose
a pci slot or have to use com port)
one PCI-E 1x or PCI-X slot, whatever the community wants.
-No exceptions working locks
-Northbridge in top right corner, southbridge in usual pos.
ram parallel to gfx slot, wth cpu above, lots of space abound gfx slots and
cpu socket, and room for small hs or w/c on nb
mosfets and chokes right up top, so the heat travels away from the cpu/ram
sinks on mosfets (dont worry about fan, id rather choose my own)
gigabit lan, at least 1 port, integrated on chipset with minor cpu utilisation
ps2 ports, 6x usb on back, 1 double frontpanel connector onboard (front panel) No legacy ports and no controller chips for stuff, put it all on the chipset
fan ports that speed up entering 3d if possible, slow down for windows (useful for fans that dont fit on your controller, eg mosfet/ram/gfx mems)
1x pata, 1x floppy, 4x sata2/1, power connectors (atx, p4, any dual gpu molexes) parallel to right edge
-A64 and dothan versions, make it do for them what DFI LPUT did for s754
sell it to dfi to produce :D
You've hit the nail on the head! Bigtoe has shown us how powerful this chipset is and that was on a reference board that wasn't at all intended for overclocking. Give it to DFI, and I believe you will have a board that dominates all others, including DFI's own nF4 boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by reject
ATi and DFI, get together on this soon!!! :toast: :banana:
Integrating a modem would be quite useless IMO, the few who need 'em already have 'em.
@Reject, seeing as you want to minimize trace-lenght a NB on the up-right corner wouldn't work AFAIK.
yea, modem = waste of space
but then there wouldny need to be a pci slot which is useless with big gfx coolers, the modem chip would go there. anyway on the dfi nf3 there are heaps of spaces for a small conexant modem, eg. where the empty solder pads for fw/ extra raid chips are
why wouldnt the northbridge be good near the right? because of the agp controller? hmmm...
wat about have the ram above agp slot, sideways, and the nb to the right, adjacent to its nf3/4 position. then the cpu could go a bit higher up and the mosfets along the upper edge of socket and board
If its gonna be an overclocking board, a moedm is a complete waste of space.. :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by reject
Most people using a $900 CPU in a $200 mobo with $250 sticks of ram and a $600 video card or two, usually dont have dial up..... ;)
I'm on dial-up :stick:
A built in modem would be nice but i'm not going to worry about it... especially if its controllerless ;)
i was on dialup not long ago
wat will dialup users do if theres no pci slots?
on the atx design, double gfx with a double slot coolers blocks all pci slots
go PCI-E or use some old/spare machine as the internet gateway.
What is "dialup" in your language?Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Hehe - j/k
kk, so then we can eliminate all those useless slots
i like the cpu/ram to be opposite of the neo2, with ram underneath, the nb on the right of ram, sb in the usual spot, mosfets on the top edge, and all the connectors including sata on the right
the ram in that position will be cooled by passing air and wont be restrictive
then just 2 gfx slots, wide apart, but not so that an aircooler on the bottom card will be too close to the bottom of case
You probably dont worry about dial-up since you CAN have high-speed, but I leave at 7km of the closest high-speed box... And I'm sure they are some users in this situation too. Don't be self-fish, DFI will try to have important features, and AFAIK, Modem and SoundCard (Most of the times important for Gamers) uses PCI....
i think modem would be very cheap and easy to put on. if i still had dialup i would love that
the thing is with 2x gfx slots and say they both need room for double coolers, with 1 slot space for airflow, that only leaves max 1 slot spare. i would rather have all the crap intergrated and then have the 2nd slot 1 down to have more cooling room.
with sli it is impossible to use overclocked double cooler cards and pci slots, and plus the nb adds a :banana::banana::banana::banana:load of heat to the mix, its a nightmare
What I would like to see, for what it is worth:
~ VDIMM powered from +5VDC rail, unmodified selectable to 4V.
~ VAGP adjustable to 2V
~ VCORE adjustable to 2V (assuming A64 platform)
~ High-range of Chipset voltage
~ Consistant and reliable voltage supply to all components
~ Temperature monitering of processor, chipset(s), and also VDIMM/VCORE power regulators
~ Top quality temperature monitering
~ Small overvoltage increments for all adjustable voltages. 0.25V overvolt increments for VDIMM in particular would be very nice
~ Fewer PCI slots - PCI-Express slots that are as far a part as possible
~ No serial ports, or parallel ports
~ No Firewire
~ One motherboard USB header (2 ports), Four USB ports at motherboard rear
~ Four SATA ports
~ SATA RAID is unnessacery
~ Only one IDE controller
~ No floppy port - Including a USB key is a great idea, it is time the standard changed
~ All-black motherboard, no annoying colors
~ An included attachment for mounting an 80mm fan to the RAM slots for active memory cooling (I have made such a thing out of coathanger, that actually looks good - an elegant solution is easy for this)
~ Copper Chipset cooler
~ Rich memory overclocking features (Alpha Timings, Drive Strength/Slew Rate)
~ Power LED, thorough BIOS beep codes for different problems (and a card that explains them)
i tell u what i want:
DFI xpress 200 :D
that is all i trust DFI will make the best like always
please have support for firewire, no legacy support(including 56k), 4V Vcore, ATI SLI support :O) dual 850xt's please
more people use 56k than firewire
ati will take a different approach to sli, hopefully they will make it driver independent and fully hardware, kind of like RAID 0 for HD's, you could have each card drawing every other line, but implement this all in the chipset so even 2d windows is in sli mode.
software solutions are weak, sli looked good on paper until we realized only like 3 games, and bechmarks (surprise) are ati compatible
SLi compatible, even? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DevilsRejection
Anyhow, yes AMR is widely rumored to be fully integreated at the hardware level, meaning any two ATi PCI-E cards(doesnt matter if same speed or not) should work together seamlessly all the time. No driver optimizations needed. :banana:
Oh, and Grayskull are you still reading this? I hope you can still relay and thoughts or requests from those of us who are late tot his thread to the right people?? thanks!
Still reading... ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by trakslacker
Anyone considered doing SLI vertically rather than horizontally (on the monitor)?
Please use a cable style connector for SLI if one is needed (like voodoo 2) and NOT a baord like nVidia uses!! ;)
Considered looking into Metabyte (or Wicked3D? kinda forget the name its been so long)? Those guys were trying to get SLI between two video cards reguardless of vendor/chipset back in the days of the Voodoo2/3/TNT2..
guys you have to take in consideration that they cant take out all that stuff that waste money. people use ps2 maybe not me but i know people do i agree with alot of your oc'ers needs. but you cant tell Gracyskull we dont need this and we dont need this to save you money its just never gonna happen.
gracyskull i have a question directed to you, is it true that the xpress 200 was tampered with when Anadatech recieved it. people have told me that its not normal to get that high of an oc on it. what did happen?
EDIT: by the way :banana: Happy Valentine's Day :banana: everyone!
EDIT: Do not! put SLI on the the mobo SLI is the stupidest thing made its purely for rich people who is going to at this point by 2 6800gt for the nf4 boards..barely any. also at this point there is not one game that can use true SLI with one video card you can run anygame right now. and for those people saying i will get another 6800gt no u wont there will be a new video card you are gonna want to get. just my 2 cents
hold on a second there champ. First off, this thread is for Ati's bullhead board, which will in no way support SLI. That is nVidia's (failed) attempt at a dual card solution. In terms of real world performance, SLI is largely worthless b/c, as you said, it only works with a relative handful of driver optimized games and (surprise) banchmarking programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by w00t!w00t!
Ati's solution is currently called AMR, for ATi Multi-Rendering. This name could change for production, but thats what ppl are calling it. Now, if ATi wants to get it all right and hit one out of the park on the first attempt(wink wink, Grayskull :)), they should have both cards be run at the chipset level as a I speculated about above. the cards should be any two ATi PCI-e cards, whether of the same power or not, and both should be able to be fully utilized all the time. Again, these are just my hopes and random thoughts, and in NO WAY should this be taken as fact or official word!!!!
Man, dual X800XL's or dual mid-range R520's at a later time would rock my socks off for a (comparatively) reasonable price! Please ATI, do right by us and you WILL have our business. NV's SLI is floundering, swoop in and destroy it.