GA-K8NS ULTRA 939 Any thoughts?

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12-05-2004, 12:20 AM
@sia@home

Can someone plz give me the rundown on enabling Command Rate 2T

I currently have the k8ns nonultra s754. I'm thinking of getting this board however. I have tested

3x512mb BH-5 all seperate
1x512mb Samsung Chipped xtreme ddr pc3500
2x256mb Muskin BH-5
2x256mb Generic BH-5
1x512mb Generic BH-6
and 2x256mb Corsair pc3200 v1.1 BH-6

The only ram out of all of that that actually worked properly with command rate 2t disable was the corsair BH-6. I can't get any of the 3x512mb BH-5s to work with 2t disabled. I know im losing quite a few hundred m/s with cpc off.

I want to know if it is likely that this ram (2x512mb G.skill pc3200 2-2-2-5 2.5v dual channel kit) Will actually run decent speeds with 2-2-2-6-1T in DC on the k8ns -ultra939.

Is everyone just leaving command rate 2t on auto or enabled or what?
12-05-2004, 12:21 AM
saaya

can somebody please explain the differences of theese boards to me?

K8NS ============ 754 nf3 250
K8NS Pro ========= 754 nf3 250
K8NSNXP ========= 754 nf3 250

K8NS-939 ========= 939 nf3 ultra
K8NS pro-939 ====== 939 nf3 ultra
K8NSNXP-939 ====== 939 nf3 ultra
K8NS ultra-939 ===== 939 nf3 ultra

so the way i see it they are all the same, but there are minor changes like between different pcb revisions of other boards.

754 nf3 250
K8NS ============ rev1.0
K8NS Pro ========= rev2.0
K8NSNXP ========= rev3.0

939 nf3 ultra
K8NS-939 ========= rev1.0
K8NS pro-939 ====== rev2.0
K8NSNXP-939 ====== rev3.0
K8NS ultra-939 ===== rev4.0

could this be the truth behind all those confusing names?
12-05-2004, 12:24 AM
@sia@home

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

can somebody please explain the differences of theese boards to me?

K8NS ============ 754 nf3 250
K8NS Pro ========= 754 nf3 250
K8NSNXP ========= 754 nf3 250

K8NS-939 ========= 939 nf3 ultra
K8NS pro-939 ====== 939 nf3 ultra
K8NSNXP-939 ====== 939 nf3 ultra
K8NS ultra-939 ===== 939 nf3 ultra

so the way i see it they are all the same, but there are minor changes like between different pcb revisions of other boards.

754 nf3 250
K8NS ============ rev1.0
K8NS Pro ========= rev2.0
K8NSNXP ========= rev3.0

939 nf3 ultra
K8NS-939 ========= rev1.0
K8NS pro-939 ====== rev2.0
K8NSNXP-939 ====== rev3.0
K8NS ultra-939 ===== rev4.0

could this be the truth behind all those confusing names?

lol no
the xps have dsp :banana::banana::banana::banana: and the works. pata raid sata raid etc etc.
pros 2sil sata raid, 2 nv sata raid, no dps dual lan
nonpros 2nv sata raid 1 lan.

i don't think there is a pro-939? thats what the -ultra939 is!
12-05-2004, 12:26 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by @sia@home

Can someone plz give me the rundown on enabling Command Rate 2T

I currently have the k8ns nonultra s754. I'm thinking of getting this board however. I have tested

3x512mb BH-5 all seperate
1x512mb Samsung Chipped xtreme ddr pc3500
2x256mb Muskin BH-5
2x256mb Generic BH-5
1x512mb Generic BH-6
and 2x256mb Corsair pc3200 v1.1 BH-6

The only ram out of all of that that actually worked properly with command rate 2t disable was the corsair BH-6. I can't get any of the 3x512mb BH-5s to work with 2t disabled. I know im losing quite a few hundred m/s with cpc off.

I want to know if it is likely that this ram (2x512mb G.skill pc3200 2-2-2-5 2.5v dual channel kit) Will actually run decent speeds with 2-2-2-6-1T in DC on the k8ns -ultra939.

Is everyone just leaving command rate 2t on auto or enabled or what?

woa there, your surprised to not be able to run 3x512mb with a command rate of 2t on a 754 board? :eek:

even some 939 boards have problems with that! :lol:
i dont think even 2 ds 512mb sticks will run with 1t on a 754 board...
12-05-2004, 12:29 AM
saaya

K8NS ============ 754 nf3 250 2nv sata raid 1lan
K8NS Pro ========= 754 nf3 250 2sil sata raid 2 nv sata raid 2lan
K8NSNXP ========= 754 nf3 250 2sil sata raid 2 nv sata raid 2lan dps

K8NS-939 ========= 939 nf3 ultra 2nv sata raid 1lan
K8NS pro-939 ====== 939 nf3 ultra 2sil sata raid 2 nv sata raid 2lan
K8NSNXP-939 ====== 939 nf3 ultra 2sil sata raid 2 nv sata raid 2lan dps
K8NS ultra-939 ===== 939 nf3 ultra

like this?
12-05-2004, 12:50 AM
saaya

K8NS ============ 754 nf3 250 2SATA+raid 2PATA lan
K8NS Pro ========= 754 nf3 250 4SATA+raid 4PATA+raid Gblan
K8NSNXP ========= 754 nf3 250 4SATA+raid 4PATA+raid Gblan+lan dps

K8NS-939 ========= 939 nf3 ultra 2SATA+raid 2PATA Gblan
K8NSNXP-939 ====== 939 nf3 ultra 4SATA+raid 2PATA Gblan+lan dps
K8NS ultra-939 ===== 939 nf3 ultra 4SATA+raid 2PATA Gblan+lan

ok, this is according to the gigabyte homepage... that means the only difference is the missing dps comparing the K8NSNXP-939and the K8NS Ultra-939...

at least feature wise!
12-05-2004, 01:15 AM
@sia@home

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

K8NS ============ 754 nf3 250 2SATA+raid 2PATA lan
K8NS Pro ========= 754 nf3 250 4SATA+raid 4PATA+raid Gblan
K8NSNXP ========= 754 nf3 250 4SATA+raid 4PATA+raid Gblan+lan dps

K8NS-939 ========= 939 nf3 ultra 2SATA+raid 2PATA Gblan
K8NSNXP-939 ====== 939 nf3 ultra 4SATA+raid 2PATA Gblan+lan dps
K8NS ultra-939 ===== 939 nf3 ultra 4SATA+raid 2PATA Gblan+lan

ok, this is according to the gigabyte homepage... that means the only difference is the missing dps comparing the K8NSNXP-939and the K8NS Ultra-939...

at least feature wise!

Thats much much closer but still slightly wrong from the way i read it ;)

K8NS-939 doesn't have gblan, and the xps on both s754 and s939 have dual gblan instead of gblan + lan ;)

oh and also the s754 k8ns only has 2 fan headers, and one soldered bios chip.

not sure about the k8ns-939 but i Know that all the rest have dual socketed bios chips
12-05-2004, 01:18 AM
@sia@home

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

woa there, your surprised to not be able to run 3x512mb with a command rate of 2t on a 754 board? :eek:

even some 939 boards have problems with that! :lol:
i dont think even 2 ds 512mb sticks will run with 1t on a 754 board...

No I did'nt use 3x512mb at the same time.

I mean of the 3 512mb sticks of BH-5 at my disposal none will be -1T even when the only stick in the board. All paired ram that didn't work with 1T was tried with only one of the sticks to see if that was the broblem. Most didn't.

2x512mb Wouldn't work with 2-2-2-6-1T and 1x512mb with 2-2-2-6-1T also wouldn't work.

For your information I can't even get into winblows with 3x512mb in there @ 200mhz 2-2-2-6-2T ;) and in memtest+ i got like 1300m/s bandwidth instead of like 1700m/s and hundreds of thousands of errors :(
12-05-2004, 01:31 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by @sia@home

K8NS-939 doesn't have gblan...

gigabyte k8ns-939 detailed specs

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Marvell 8001 Gigabit Ethernet controller

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Originally Posted by @sia@home

...and the xps on both s754 and s939 have dual gblan instead of gblan + lan ;)

hothardware k8nsnxp-939 review

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Strangely, Gigabyte uses an ICS 1883 PHY that only operated at 10/100 though

anandtech k8nsnxp-939 review

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Dual Onboard LAN:
1Gigabit Ethernet by Marvell 8001
10/100 Ethernet by ICS 1883

will make a more detailed comparison of the board specs
12-05-2004, 01:32 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by @sia@home

No I did'nt use 3x512mb at the same time.

I mean of the 3 512mb sticks of BH-5 at my disposal none will be -1T even when the only stick in the board. All paired ram that didn't work with 1T was tried with only one of the sticks to see if that was the broblem. Most didn't.

2x512mb Wouldn't work with 2-2-2-6-1T and 1x512mb with 2-2-2-6-1T also wouldn't work.

For your information I can't even get into winblows with 3x512mb in there @ 200mhz 2-2-2-6-2T ;) and in memtest+ i got like 1300m/s bandwidth instead of like 1700m/s and hundreds of thousands of errors :(

never said you cant run 3 512mb sticks with 2t... :)

what cpu do you have?
12-05-2004, 01:35 AM
STEvil

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

woa there, your surprised to not be able to run 3x512mb with a command rate of 2t on a 754 board? :eek:

even some 939 boards have problems with that! :lol:
i dont think even 2 ds 512mb sticks will run with 1t on a 754 board...

Havent had any problems on mine yet.

2x512 CH-5 tested to 245fsb 2-2-2-x
2x512 OCZ VX tested to 260fsb 2-2-2-x

:stick:

Its CPU dependant.

Heck, maybe i'll give 3x512 @ 3.3v a go too..
12-05-2004, 02:19 AM
saaya

Code:

k8ns 2SATA+r 2PATA lan 1x2mb firewall 2fan headers aux audio game/midi k8ns pro 4SATA+r 4PATA+r Gblan 2IEEE 2x4mb 3fan headers aux audio game/midi k8nsnxp 4SATA+r 4PATA+r Gblan+lan 2IEEE 2x4mb firewall 3fan headers multis in bios aux audio game/midi dps K8NS-939 2SATA+r 2PATA Gblan 1x2mb 3fan headers multis in bios K8NSNXP-939 4SATA+r 2PATA Gblan+lan 2IEEE 2x4mb firewall 3fan headers multis in bios aux audio game/midi (gigabyte specs dont mention dps!) K8NS u-939 4SATA+r 2PATA Gblan+lan 2IEEE 2x4mb firewall 3fan headers multis in bios aux audio game/midi

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Originally Posted by STEvil

Havent had any problems on mine yet.

2x512 CH-5 tested to 245fsb 2-2-2-x
2x512 OCZ VX tested to 260fsb 2-2-2-x

:stick:

Its CPU dependant.

Heck, maybe i'll give 3x512 @ 3.3v a go too..

ok, correction, will run but wont oc very high dont get me wrong, id love to get proven wrong :D im getting a754 board myself ^^
12-05-2004, 02:27 AM
STEvil

Most 2x512 setups seem to top around 265-280 1T or 2T on 754 or 939 that i've seen...seems to be CPU related ;)
12-05-2004, 02:52 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

Most 2x512 setups seem to top around 265-280 1T or 2T on 754 or 939 that i've seen...seems to be CPU related ;)

i have only seen one guy reach 280fsb with 2x512mb on 754 and thats dagalidis , and im not sure it was t1... more likely t2...
12-05-2004, 03:22 AM
Den Leiw

what is this dsp on the xp board

some kind of additional cooling ? If so does it help when overclocking or am I tottally wrong^^?
12-05-2004, 05:01 AM
@sia@home

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

Most 2x512 setups seem to top around 265-280 1T or 2T on 754 or 939 that i've seen...seems to be CPU related ;)

So you are saying that the BH-5 cool and I probably have a bad onboard memory controller? What will you say if i get a new cpu and it still doesn't do cpcon?

Will that mean its bad ram?

I can't seem to get my 754 system to work above 240 with 2 pieces of anything in there :S
12-05-2004, 05:04 AM
VASkO

what is the HT Link voltage in bios? is this the chipset voltage? i got to 2715mhz so far with 3200+ 0434 spmw winnie. the board rocks!
12-05-2004, 05:22 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Den Leiw

what is this dsp on the xp board

some kind of additional cooling ?

yes

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Originally Posted by Den Leiw

If so does it help when overclocking or am I tottally wrong^^?

dont think it helps a lot, but i guess it keeps the mosfets cool and results in a more stable vcore...

Quote:

Originally Posted by @sia@home

So you are saying that the BH-5 cool and I probably have a bad onboard memory controller? What will you say if i get a new cpu and it still doesn't do cpcon?

Will that mean its bad ram?

I can't seem to get my 754 system to work above 240 with 2 pieces of anything in there :S

id first test everything else before you buy new cpu...

can you post your complete system specs?

Quote:

Originally Posted by VASkO

what is the HT Link voltage in bios? is this the chipset voltage? i got to 2715mhz so far with 3200+ 0434 spmw winnie. the board rocks!

no, htlink voltage is htlink voltage :D chipset voltage is vdd

higher htlink voltage helps to reach a higher ht bus speed (fsb), and a higher overall ht bus speed by keeping the ht multis high
12-05-2004, 05:33 AM
VASkO

is there a Vdd mod and easy to do?
12-05-2004, 06:00 AM
saaya

i think theres a vdd mod in this thread...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=20190
12-05-2004, 08:07 AM
muzz

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

Havent had any problems on mine yet.

2x512 CH-5 tested to 245fsb 2-2-2-x
2x512 OCZ VX tested to 260fsb 2-2-2-x

:stick:

Its CPU dependant.

Heck, maybe i'll give 3x512 @ 3.3v a go too..

You can check the manual, but I think running 3 dimms disables dual channel.
Pretty sure it's either 2 or 4.
FWIW

On another note, I just installed the Beta WinXP64 to play around with on another drive, the drivers on the CD for the Marvell do not work, I had to go to Marvels site and DL the correct ones..
Haven't tried any other software yet.

m
12-05-2004, 04:33 PM
STEvil

s754 doesnt do dual channel muzz.

Saaya - there are countless examples of people running 2x512mb at high fsb with 1T in the AMD and Extreme Overclocking forums... although most are on s939 now since s754 is "old"...

Couple examples in this thread I believe: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...444#post622444
12-05-2004, 05:38 PM
@sia@home

THis is what is in the s754 system right now

3000+ Newcastle 10x200 stock
Gigabyte K8NS
2x512mb G.Skill BH-5 KIT (2-2-2-5 200mhz @ 2.5v)
Cathars G4 Storm Waterblock
2x120mm Radiator
Eheim 1048 pump
Tygon Tubing r3606
4x Papst 4412FGL @ Full Speed
Zalman Fan Bracket with 92mm @ 1700rpm (silent)
Gecube x800xt pe @ 612/580 vgpu @ 1.5 (cooled by Silverprop Fusion HL) no ramsinks atm

I simply can't get -1T to work even @ 200mhz htt. Top performance is top instability for me too.

Ok Taking out a stick doesn't do anything, trying other pieces of BH-5 didn't do anything. The only time I have used -1T was with a 2x256mb Kit of Corsair BH-6.

How will my ram go in the 939 board? Atm I think I can memtest+ the ram @ 240-245mhz.
12-05-2004, 07:40 PM
STEvil

Couldnt tell ya, its all about the motherboard/bios and cpu combo....

G-Skill did BH-5 sticks?
12-05-2004, 08:23 PM
muzz

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

s754 doesnt do dual channel muzz.

Saaya - there are countless examples of people running 2x512mb at high fsb with 1T in the AMD and Extreme Overclocking forums... although most are on s939 now since s754 is "old"...

Couple examples in this thread I believe: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...444#post622444

O ya.. DUH!!
I forgot that you had a 754, I was actually referring to the K8NS Ultra 939.

Sorry bout that!!

m

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