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Im so all over that Lightspeed unit.
I just ordered a Lian Li PC-75. It will house the watercooling unit for my system until i can get one of the Lightspeeds. Ill just watercool the Radeon from there on out after the Lightspeed is in my hands.
Question.. How much power do these phase change units suck up? How big of a dent did it place on your electricity bill? I leave my computer on for days at a time.
I for one want one of these new rigs, utilizing the baker block should allow the unit to hold an overclock pretty nicely, wise choice on asetek's part, can't wait to try one:D
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Custom builders buy their components from wholesale distributors. Given volume, they could buy direct from the manufacturers. But even without the volume, I think they can beat those prices. Hopefully one of them will show up, and speak for himself.Quote:
Do you really think that custom units would be cheaper?? Just imagine the time you need to build a phase change unit!
Personally, if I were going to jump into it, I would build a cheap chiller. I like chillers, they are more versatile, and I think there is more of a market for them. Frozen methanol, anyone?
Anybody heard anything else about CeBIT? I heard a few things last week that just SCREAM this is going to happen. I also heard something about Tom's "record" being challenged but that was more of a rumor-rumor. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Phyrox
IThere is a cebit show ocmming up and nventiv is going to participate. now this show features new products...
At any rate, it should be a great few months coming up for both camps.
yeah ^^^soon a great fight between Nventiv & Asetek
MACH II ST VS VAPOCHILL LS
three, two, one
goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Need even more competition. I'd like a US firm to come up. Imagine, if something went wrong I could actually have it repaired by the manufacturer. :eek: Not to mention pretty much anything around here with compressor based cooling is downright cheap. Dont see how with enough volume they could cost much to get the components. Bring on the $300 units! Not that only the states could do this, i'm just daydreaming now of how easy that would make things for me ;)
Plus these companies, stories I've read, they dont seem so freindly with flaky busted stuff even if you do pack it up and ship it around the globe. i.e. Broken cap tube - Prom. Whats up with that? Better give people some flexible hoses if you are going to grow your customer base. If sales of equipment like this start to grow, has there been a simultaneous raised level of overclocking know-how and skill ? Obviously not.
LoL toms "record"....anyone with a basic knowledge of overclocking and money can EASILY beet him at anything besides photochopping and altering benchmark scores :)
Nice to see that Opp is intrested in the LS as well...Well as for me I do not need to wait for bowman or anyone elese to get this first. Im diving in!
I wonder how big the evap die is on this thing. The Mach I's only covers about 70% on the A64 heatspreader and is offset as well. Hmm, is the Mach II/ST's any bigger?
They're about 100 euros cheaper than the Vapo XE...
/me thinks about going "LIGHT SPEED"
/looks over at both Classic & PE
Nah, not yet me thinks, gotta mod the Classic first, wait for some results before splurging again.....:( :( :( :(
One way or another, I will be in this battle as well.
I honestly believe that i make the best coolers in existance, and i have the results to prove this. That is why it is very strange to me that niether of the two major manufacturers (vapochill, promy) have made any atempt to contact me. I don't know who their chief designer is, but i think he could use a little help.
From seeing both units in action, i can say i am less than impressed. Niether company has made any effort what so ever to develop better technology. If you are reading this, I have something to say to you: There are better ways of doing this! They are just busy counting thier money.(edit; honestly i think that the promy and the vapochill are very reasonably priced)
When i build a system, my primary concern is the system. Not the profit. I'd say the only reason either company is lowwering the prices is in hopes of crippleing the competition so they can raise the prices.
I will find a way to offer you, the ocing comunity,the best cooling that money can buy and at reasonable prices.
I have alot of work to do.
As was my concern in the buisness of ultra low temperature freezer service and design.
My concern shall remain in the buisness of computer cooling.
Reputation as being one of the best in the world.
oh, and i wouldn't buy either of them :D
Look forward to having the choice of a CC cooling system... :D
#1 nVentiv doesn't need to copy asetekQuote:
Originally posted by TheDude
You have to admit it's pretty funny that the new Vapo looks exactly like a MachII with some extra holes drilled in the side panel. Before they looked nothing alike at all.
It looks to me like they just copied the MachII and regassed it with 404? Not sure about which gas they used?
Competition is good, but lets have some NEW products and NEW ideas.
Before I am accused of being biased.....I would feel the same way if nVENTIV rolled out a "New" product that looked just like a Vapochill. Who wouldn't? :rolleyes:
#2 anyone inteligent enough would not copy so blantly..
#3 your the least bias person I know..
#4 all fair when the equipment looks 100% the same right?
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Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
You either put the unit above or below. If you use a heavier compressor, you put it below, so the whole thing won't be top heavy. If you put it below, there isn't much choice on where the hose comes up to go to the CPU. Does that make it a clone? I don't think so.
Better performance at a lower price.
Good job, Asetek. :toast:
explain the looks then and all the similarities to the baker block.....
good job asetek - you CAN color in the lines....
Does this look like a copy?
No... that looks like a whole lot of sexy :slobber:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincascade
Does this look like a copy?
EXCATLY! -40C on y our CPU, NB and GPU! thats why ima build oneQuote:
Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
Custom builders buy their components from wholesale distributors. Given volume, they could buy direct from the manufacturers. But even without the volume, I think they can beat those prices. Hopefully one of them will show up, and speak for himself.
Personally, if I were going to jump into it, I would build a cheap chiller. I like chillers, they are more versatile, and I think there is more of a market for them. Frozen methanol, anyone?
Couple of things ,a properly modded r134A system changed to R507/404 will run at the same compressor temperatures or close. If it is running hot enough to trip the internal overload then it is not modded properly.
And second, I am working on a cascade system for around 1200 that will get you 200W at -95C under (200W) load. With a 1 year warrentee on the compressors. It will be built with 2- fractional hoursepower compressors and will be capable of 24 hour operation. Of course this will be the nonadjustable version on and off no temp guages. I will have a dual head system (cascade for around 1500 based on the same design only scaled up. I am also working on a complete moisture condensation system.
This is a Mach II
http://www.chip-con.com/log/146.JPG
Sorry, but I don't see the similarities. Yes nVentiv also offer's the Lian Li kit, and apparently the full case now, but the Lian Li is not nVentiv's design, simply a case maker that they chose to partner with. If nVentiv wanted to exclude any other supercooling manufacturer from using that case then maybe they should have arranged that with Lian Li before hand, or simply chose someone else.
Be very careful chilly, 600 outa that 1200 better be spent on safety devices. Only reason i sold 1 of mine was because the guy lives so close, and if there was a problem i could take care of it easily.Quote:
Originally posted by chilly1
Couple of things ,a properly modded r134A system changed to R507/404 will run at the same compressor temperatures or close. If it is running hot enough to trip the internal overload then it is not modded properly.
And second, I am working on a cascade system for around 1200 that will get you 200W at -95C under (200W) load. With a 1 year warrentee on the compressors. It will be built with 2- fractional hoursepower compressors and will be capable of 24 hour operation. Of course this will be the nonadjustable version on and off no temp guages. I will have a dual head system (cascade for around 1500 based on the same design only scaled up. I am also working on a complete moisture condensation system.
second i think we are getting a little off subject
Commerical phase change are great for people who just cant be bothered but people who want the the challenge on building there own can it do it for cheaper. Its basically to build your own you kinnda need to be experianced and have access to vacum pumps and refrigant.
I think waterchillers are preety good for what they can do and that is why i am building one :)
The only trade that requires more tools than a refrigeration tech is a car mechanic.
Refigeration techs are: electricians, metal workers, plummers, carpenters, thermal dynamic engineers, general construction workers, and a whole lot of other things. I alone have 10,000$ worth of tools, so i can do my job right.
This is something to think about when thinking of building your own. Not that I am trying to deter you, just stating another problem.
My vacuum pump alone was 3000$
I think you copied that from Maxxxpert :DQuote:
Originally posted by captaincascade
Does this look like a copy?
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Maxxxpert doing -21c:D
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You probably wont have to wait long with your reputation. I'd say on your doorstep within 3-4 weeks free of charge....;)Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I for one want one of these new rigs, utilizing the baker block should allow the unit to hold an overclock pretty nicely, wise choice on asetek's part, can't wait to try one:D
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I say bring it on. I bet it works better then anything else I have here cooling my CPU.Quote:
Originally posted by G H Z
You probably wont have to wait long with your reputation. I'd say on your doorstep within 3-4 weeks free of charge....;)
I think my coldest cooler is my new Radeon cooler at this point.
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