AMD Trinity news (looks, its near to launch?)

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Originally Posted by CrimInalA

Thanks for the link !
Now at least we know WHY amd has shipped it's prototype laptop without dual graphics . It's a major fail :(

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Drivers.

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Originally Posted by The Stilt

Virgo (DT Trinity) will be a monster, no doubt :)

Sumo GPU inside Llano was a monstrous overclocker (most GPUs in 3870K do 50%+ overclocks 24/7), but the performance was always held back by a rather slow NCLK domain and memory bandwidth.

In Piledriver the frequency of NCLK domain is tied to DRAM frequency with ratio of 1.25:1 (minimum).
This means the NCLK in FM2 Trinity chips must be atleast 1333MHz to match the highest officially supported DRAM frequency (DDR-2133).
The maximum officially supported NCLK frequency on Llano was 900MHz, yet this was rarely used since the memory compability was rather poor at high NCLK frequencies.

Piledriver unofficially supports DDR-2400 DRAM frequency (up to motherboard vendors if it is available or not), just like Bulldozer.
It is highly unlikely the GPU performance is held back by DRAM or NCLK on Trinity any longer.

The Devastator (excellent choice of a name btw :D) GPU inside Trinity will most likely have a couple extra MHz to spare too.
If the Devastator GPU has even a part of the overclocking capabilities of Sumo GPU we will see 1GHz+ GPU (SCLK) clocks available for daily use on Trinity.

If Virgo platform can reach ~4.5GHz core frequencies, IPC is even marginally higher compared to Gen1 BD and the leakage (power draw) is slightly in better shape... AMD has unleashed the hell.

Already pre-ordered mine!
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Any idea when we will see retail trinity for desktop?No signs of FM2 boards,nothing yet...

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Originally Posted by Alex-Ro

Any idea when we will see retail trinity for desktop?No signs of FM2 boards,nothing yet...

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Probably August...

I cant believe the FPS in those reviews... Gaming laptops for the masses who woulda thunk!

In a decade or so we have went from,

Gaming on a laptop? Hahaha rofl

to, Oooh for $3000 dollars i to could game on a laptop to

and then AMD (a company with vision) comes along and releases Trinity. (llano was pretty dam nice to) <<even got Intel to go change course.

The amount of power Trinity wields for the money is simply amazing.

Can you say overclocked gaming overdrive profile?

Good stuff. Game on!

there is something wrong, at 100%. Maybe big fail from Computerbase or bad sample of notebook. No, really no, this is not retail piece of notebook, but sample. And notebooks samples are sometimes.. :-) From this one bad review I do not change my focus at product. We need more reviews, users experience. Trinity can not be worse in games than Llano notebook, really not.

These things good enough to run 1080p/i/720 upscaling 60fps Madvr/LAV/high settings without dropping frames?

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Originally Posted by Alex-Ro

Any idea when we will see retail trinity for desktop?No signs of FM2 boards,nothing yet...

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It was said to be sometime between August and November, many estimates are closer to November. This launch of Piledriver has always been just the mobile variants.

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

there is something wrong, at 100%. Maybe big fail from Computerbase or bad sample of notebook. No, really no, this is not retail piece of notebook, but sample. And notebooks samples are sometimes.. :-) From this one bad review I do not change my focus at product. We need more reviews, users experience. Trinity can not be worse in games than Llano notebook, really not.

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Of course it's wrong - singe channel memory ...

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Originally Posted by EniGmA1987

It was said to be sometime between August and November, many estimates are closer to November. This launch of Piledriver has always been just the mobile variants.

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I heard it's a bit earlier :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by JayCop

Im hoping these chips give AMD a good share of the market they have lost over that last few years back. I would love to be able to market some AMD based systems to my customers that are inexpensive yet deliver on performance. llano's price for performance already seems like a very good deal so with the cuts it will only make them better options in my book.

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I don't see why the current crop can't be marketed as value for customers. They are tremendous value for customers!

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Originally Posted by saveus222

I don't see why the current crop can't be marketed as value for customers. They are tremendous value for customers!

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The CPU/IGPU's are great but the mATX motherboard selection is horrendous right now compared to 1155 boards. I don't mind paying a little more for a MB as long as it has the features that I want.

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Originally Posted by JayCop

The CPU/IGPU's are great but the mATX motherboard selection is horrendous right now compared to 1155 boards. I don't mind paying a little more for a MB as long as it has the features that I want.

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What features are you missing exactly?

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Originally Posted by The Stilt

What features are you missing exactly?

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I hadn't found a board with good cpu power control before but Asus has a model F1A75-M PRO that I just found that looks pretty solid. I would also prefer the option for real crossfire down the line but for this platform I guess not having it is a fair trade off for the price.

I hope A10-5800K gives us finally 5Ghz stable on air OCs. This would be an awesome budges APU chip. Since most tasks on desktop are still serial in nature it should be even faster than FX 8150 ,except in those massively MT workloads like handbrake and similar. But now with Opencl support,even those apps are getting very good boosts from iGPU,so I suppose A10-5800K may even hold its own in several OpenCL supporting workloads versus FX8xxx series. Fun times ahead.

It would be cool if one of the gaming laptop makers like Alienware or ibuypower picked up the trinity APU for a sick little machine ;)

How bout with a discrete 7970m with Amd's new enduro switching ;) hehe

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Originally Posted by Lightman

Of course it's wrong - singe channel memory ...

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Read the review, or better the additional comments in the forum thread. They said its what 4 out of 5 sub 500€ notebooks will be equipped like. While I can't verify this if you look at price compare sites like geizhals (for EU) you see some truth in there. Many of the Llano books only come with one 4gb module, mainly because there is also often a version with 8gb, and they just remove one from it.

http://geizhals.at/?cat=nb&xf=2379_1...AMD+E2-#xf_top

Just look at the tab: Anzahl Speichermodule (mean number of memory modules), there you see how many have 1 and how many have 2.
Out of 102 books there are only 15 that offer dual-channel configuration.

If AMD doesn't enforces somehow that all trinity books will be sold with dual channel at least, you will find a pretty similar distribution of this... so this test has indeed some validity as the majority of books sold will be exactly like that... gimped to the max...

Personally I think its also retarded to sell such gimped books, but OEM seems to know better...

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Personally I think its also retarded to sell such gimped books, but OEM seems to know better...

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I agree, unless the folks are slightly techie and look for this specifically they will be getting gimped performance out the gate without a clue.

Then to top it off generally the cost to upgrade the memory from the oem is ridiculous, cheaper to go 3rd party for twice the memory as an oem upgrade allot of times.

Sure, but often you loose the warranty of your book when you "open" it... I guess not many people want to lose there warranty to upgrade a mem stick for 20$...

^that cant be true. ive never seen a laptop that blocked off the HDD or ram slot

Its not about accessibility, but that they simply say they don't take in a modified book, or charge you the full service fee, despite having and extended warranty. So happened to me a few years ago with an acer book and ever since then they can suck my ****.

I dont know if all support and warranty work the same, but you can open a laptop ( even just for check all is fine or clean the dust ), if you have add a ram, just remove it before send the laptop for RMA .

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Read the review, or better the additional comments in the forum thread. They said its what 4 out of 5 sub 500€ notebooks will be equipped like. While I can't verify this if you look at price compare sites like geizhals (for EU) you see some truth in there. Many of the Llano books only come with one 4gb module, mainly because there is also often a version with 8gb, and they just remove one from it.

http://geizhals.at/?cat=nb&xf=2379_1...AMD+E2-#xf_top

Just look at the tab: Anzahl Speichermodule (mean number of memory modules), there you see how many have 1 and how many have 2.
Out of 102 books there are only 15 that offer dual-channel configuration.

If AMD doesn't enforces somehow that all trinity books will be sold with dual channel at least, you will find a pretty similar distribution of this... so this test has indeed some validity as the majority of books sold will be exactly like that... gimped to the max...

Personally I think its also retarded to sell such gimped books, but OEM seems to know better...

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I thought people were calling fail at A8-4500 chip because it had such a poor performance (comparatively) so pointed out why. Besides test itself pitted it against mostly DC laptops which I think is not objective. Usually manufacturer sending units to reviewers tries to look in best possible light and therefore configures laptops with all extras giving maximum performance for given price point.
Other than that I'm completely aware how computer market operates and how greedy or silly OEM can be. Just last week I've installed some HP Touchsmart 7320 All-in-one which were delivered in single channel configurations :/

So, all laptops in that test had single channel of memory installed?
How many laptops sold with only one memory slot populated?

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Originally Posted by SEA

So, all laptops in that test had single channel of memory installed?
How many laptops sold with only one memory slot populated?

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Its the other way round, the amd sample was top of the line, best cpu, ssd, etc. while most of normal books come with slower cpus, SC memory etc.

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Its not about accessibility, but that they simply say they don't take in a modified book, or charge you the full service fee, despite having and extended warranty. So happened to me a few years ago with an acer book and ever since then they can suck my ****.

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Then you take out your modification? All of the laptops I've been in contact with have pleasant little doors on the bottom, usually even with indications on what is behind, and a single screw. You take out the screw and viola, you can remove/add HDD, ram, wireless NIC...there is no "Warranty void if removed" sticker either...