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Well, looks like the recall rumors were right, after all.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/gigabyte...rds/14360.html
THIS is why you guys really need to chill on blaming the user so much. I noticed a lot of these boards going up in smoke recently, and NOT when pushed to 5.5 ghz, 1.7v on water cooling without a fan on the VRM's -.- Someone mentioned rumor of a recall a week ago, and turns out he was right all along....
Regardless of what you LN2 and H2o users claim, a PROPERLY designed board should NOT catch on fire if its run out of the case, at non extreme conditions, even without airflow from case fans. Yeah at extreme conditions, you need to cool everything. But some of these people were having VRM's burning right after turning on the computer...IN the case with fans...
My first ud7 got burnt after flashing bios to f4 version, without any overclocking...Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne
The second one is very stable (f7) and no problems at all, I am very satisfied...
ugh... i just finally managed to score a cpu (ill have it in 2 days), and now im scared :banana::banana::banana::banana:less. burning mobos.... wtf... gonna set up 3 cameras when i boot it up the first time. :S
and wahts sucks even more is that my ud7 was the last one in Greece :( god knows when we will get another one
Recall rumors are false for everyone out of TW. people fail to read gigabytes usa press release. Anyways all boards now have lifetime warranties.
so its true in tW?Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
I am not sure of a recall of the boards in TW, but I think what they meant to say was that the BIOSes before F7 were recalled. Then they said that they also have lifetime warranties now, and that users can just return their boards i think.
I think in the USA its mostly the same, but there is no recall. That word wasn't translated correctly through google translate and so it is kind of a hard mess to fix up, now all sites like TPU post in their headlines Recalled X79 boards! lol I mean that really isn't true.
But i guess it would fit if people read more carefully recall of BIOS, i guess in Chinese they have other words that also mean recall.
I am not 100% sure on all points, but I am sure there is no recall of boards. Maybe it had something to do with some people saying that in TW warranty RMA is denied if the board is broken, like physical damage and that is what that press release was for, to say even if your board is damaged we will accept it.
GB USA is supposed to release their own pres release, IDk if they did yet or not.
Now people talking about OC being limited by BIOS F7, let's put something straight, if you overheat your board your OC should be limited. And BIOSes like F4 and F3 and F2 all would throttle the OC if the board was overheated. The user GMEUP PMed me about this problem and I think he posted in this thread, i told him to toss a fan over the VRM, he did and it fixed his problem 100%. It was overheating. I am thinking that maybe with some boards the PWM firmware wasn't flashing correctly or all the way, maybe the OTP thresholds weren't correctly set, and GB wanted to address this.
BUT what is very clear is that F7 has the same OTP and OCP thresholds as previous BIOSes, just 80khz lower switching frequency and one turbo voltage response setting removed. I think all F7 does is prevent the users from maxing out the PWM settings so avoid the board breaking because of it. A lot of users will just crank up the switching frequency, even though it does nothing for the GB X79 boards, they do it anyways and that can lead to overheating.
I haven't flashed my G1 Assassin 2 with F7, but I will and report back my findings for those interesting. i will run side by side comparisons to see if previous and the new BIOS have really any different OC potential.
What is clear and has been for weeks is that VRMs on SBe get much hotter than anytime in the past, this is probably due to having components on both sides on virtually every board, sure you might have a piece of metal under neath on some boards, but that is just a slim piece of metal not a heatsink, and there is no airflow underneath. Then you have SBe being so power hungry that at 4.8ghz it is pulling ~300 watts, count 85% conversion so input 350w. That is a lot of power. The VRM components have to take a lot of heat and the PWM temp restrictions have to be very stringent and guaranteed to work, BIOS F7 probably runs some type of self test to make sure they do. The PWM firmware needs to be updated, so maybe this is what that is all about.
But IMO what i don't expect to happen is any change in the MOSFETs, as they really aren't to blame in these instances. I think we might see maybe some bigger heatsinks, or maybe some manufacturers adding VRM fans instead. Of course as the power delivery to these new CPUs is better analyzed, we will get better PWm management, and hopefully no more of these issues. It almost makes you wish you had an analog PWM lol, so users couldn't mess with the settings then blow up their boards and blame it.
your statements are very misleading.
thanks, i just put down what i think and what I know. From your statements i am beginning to think you actually like gigabyte products.
FYI i dont work nor represent GB, so my statements shouldn't matter, just like those of websites who can't read Chinese in it's own dialect shouldn't matter.
One more thing, if you flash to F7 you can't flash back to previous BIOSes, just a warning because I have already gotten a few complaints.
@sin ...how about on my case, I have done f7 on main and f4f on my backup...if the main got corrupted what will happen? Any idea? You said that we cannot flash back to previous BIOSes. So will it end up as a dead board?
Here in the Philippines, no recall being done. The distro will be flashing all the BIOSes of the boards in their inventory to F7. The people who already bought their UDx boards, they are being advise to flash the BIOS to F7 as well.
They are not recalling the boards. Only the BIOS. F7 is already posted up around most of the sites.
It appears that F7 does NOT reduce overclocking potential, it only removes a few of the more extreme voltage choices so less knowledgable users don't smoke their board.
Sin already hit the nail on the head here.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/new...kers_x79_mobos
See the important UPDATE:
Quote:
Pushing your PC to its limits has obvious inherent dangers; overclocking your CPU can definitely bust your rig if you push it too far. That being said, reasonable overclocking doesn’t actually carry too much risk – normally. Right before Christmas, one overclocker’s Gigabyte GA-X79-UD3 mobo crashed, then burned (literally) in the midst of a lightweight stress test. After he posted the video on YouTube (the fun stuff happens in the last 20 seconds), Gigabyte looked into the problem, and apparently, it wasn’t a case of crap luck. Yesterday, Gigabyte’s Chinese branch announced the faulty CPU VRM is a widespread issue and recalled the GA-X79-UD3, GA-X79-UD5, GA-X79-UD7 and G1.Assassin 2 mobos. US users, meanwhile, get a critical BIOS update.
There are some conflicting reports about the BIOS update out there. TechPowerUp reports that the patch will throttle the CPU when it’s stressed to protect the VRM and keep your board from frying, but claims that the throttling also apparently puts the brakes on any adventurous overclocking attempts. A Gigabyte rep told us that this is not true, however.
"We have a few power users trying our new BIOS here and (they've) reported to us that new BIOS has enhanced the overclocking stability and performance," PR Manager Irene Huang said. "Therefore, it will not be a concern for reducing the overclocking ability with new F7 BIOS."
If you've already burned out your X79 mobo while pushing it to the limit, Gigabyte U.S. will send you a new one (the damage would fall under Gigabyte's 5-year warranty for X79 motherboards anyways, assuming you've registered the hardware). Meanwhile, the company is working with resellers and retailers to ensure as-yet-unsold boards are flashed with the new BIOS prior to ending up in customer hands.
Oh, and if you’re wondering, TechPowerUp says Gigabyte Taiwan blames the problem on a mixture of poor PWM components and bad firmware.
EDIT 4:20 P.M. EST: A representative from Gigabyte U.S. contacted us to say that the mobos are not being recalled in the United States. Here's what she had to say:
The Chinese announcement you have seen online was for the Taiwan region only not apply to NA America region. However, for NA America, we will provide any help that customers will need to for the BIOS update. The new F7 BIOS will easily fix all the issues and is ready for download on the website already, and we also provide swap service to users whose motherboard has been damaged due to extreme overclocking. (It only happens under some extreme overclocking settings, but it’s fixed by F7 BIOS).
Look for an official announcement to come from Gigabyte sometime soon. We've changed the headline and some details in the article to reflect Gigabyte U.S.'s response.
There are more specific quotes elsewhere by Gigabyte reps that some folks are already getting 5Ghz overclocks on F7. In my opinion this issue is no different than any of the X79 mobos out there. There VRMs get hot and you can damage your board if you disable your OTP and run your load lin calibration up too high. Common sense to me. What's even more funny (funny sad really) is that you do not need high load line calibration to get high overclocks. It surprises me how some users simply crank up every setting they see thinking higher and more is always better.
Sorry for intruding on the Giga thread. I don't have one. Just wanted to share some 411.
Hey thanks for posting that, it is about time some real info came about. Irene knows her stuff.
@bartman, how did you get your board not flash the backup as F7? My board did when i only flashed the main. Can you flip to see if F7 didn't flash on the backup? Maybe you did something different through flashing? If you fail and the BIOS is corrupt on F7, thenone F7 BIOS like F4F will still flash over F7, it doesn't go through qflash to flash the backup, so there would be no problems in that case.
I just tried all my BIOSes, all the public and non-release BETAs, and none of them wanted to flash back. It doesn't seem we lose anything important, and if F7 is what they are saying then they fixed an issue with the PWM. If GB did anything to limit OC it would be limited by the heat of the VRM, and in the most extreme cases the board would have NO issue. I saw a review on Guru3D and they put in there, the UD7 might not be good in cases of extreme overclocking, they actually got it backwards. Because of LN2 action the VRM is cooled through the copper in the PCB, and thus none of this VRM heat stuff will limit the OC at all. Same theory should apply here.
On the upside, F7 seems to have taken care of the majority of issues. I would hope some guys who had A6 error would see if it helped as BIOS F4F helped?
When I flashed to F7 it also copied to my backup bios. I sure hope they get a new one out soon. Any setting above stock and my lan kicks out. No internet. Have to cmos reset to get it back on stock settings. And with no backflash I am stuck at stock settings.
BTW here is USA press release: http://www.gigabyte.us/press-center/....aspx?nid=-869
Nothing really has changed in the US, i guess all this was in response to the guy in TW.
Can you post your settings?
Hi Cookie Playing with the latest F7 BIOS :D 57 multi! Seems like no throttling effect on this latest BIOS :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=DWDGw0e_YlM
@sin will do that :D If i read it correctly seems like if we try flashing with F7, it will flash both main and back up? anyway will just verify later :D
yea it seems like it is designed to do that double flash. After you flash it says flashing backup BIOS or somthing.
yea hicokie is the man, I didn't think F7 did any harm.
There is his validation, I haven';t seen 57x elsewhere.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2169786
so you only doin pr n stuff for freebies lolQuote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
btw written chinese has no dialect;)
You do more PR than me my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
Twice now i have tried to register my ud7 and it keeps telling me my mobo does not qualify. Wonderfull stuff going on gigabyte.
Just tried the GC WI-FI device that came with my mobo. Got it up and running on a wireless network. All is good. Overclock to 4.0 ( this consisted of moving multi to 40 and rebooting, changed nothing else ) and wireless router is no where to be found in device manager, and Intel lan is again disabled. So any o/c of any kind and no lan period for me.
You need to RMA your board. It's defective.Quote:
Originally Posted by DooRules
I put in a ticket this morning asking for another bios so I can verify that it is the bios and not hardware related.
I flashed main bios to f7 on saturday (tweaktown latest beta bios), and my backup bios remained with f4f. Gonna try if can flash back to f4f...
EDIT: I could flash back to f4f from f7. Now I have f7 on both bios, main and back (qflash).
Very satisfied with f7. In my case can do more overclock with less voltage...
57x hangs for me on w8 loading screen, however I can reset;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
but this works:D
http://i.imgur.com/vLxv3.png
no cherry picked ES over just retail goodness, hopefully I will get to test this one under LN2 on my board (RIVE) and my friends UD7 sometime next week.