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09-07-2010, 07:25 AM
Chumbucket843

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Originally Posted by savantu

The fact that GF is behind schedule with the process ramp by their very own admission is misinformation from my side ?
Interesting.

the misinformation is your explanation of why it hasnt ramped yet.

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Secondly, there is no direct relation for yields and defects wrts to time. I don't know how you came up with that BS. The issue however are the deadlines set in the planning phase and the 32nm process failed to reach its intermediate deadlines.As for Intel's process it is obvious they did not target density. A conscious design choice doesn't make it great or not.

once again you show how little you know. i am not going to correct you because you would only use that knowledge to shill intel. just know youre wrong.
09-07-2010, 07:42 AM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by savantu

Could it be because there is no chance to actually discuss something here ? Whatever it is posted against the general perception is received with personal attacks only ? If we all agree on something ( like some AMDroids want ) the News section should be closed and some type of newsfeed put in place.

You mention 5 Intel fanboys, I can also count you at least 5 AMD ones which appear in every thread and act as the home guard. The moment you say something which goes against the "the green heaven", you're immediately pounded. There aren't AMD threads as there aren't Intel threads. That's nothing more than an imaginary wall to keep away any dissident thought. Well, sometimes I wish the people who jump with this BS should be beamed into "1984" to have a taste of their own medicine regarding "thought crime".

Out and away also.

Yeah, I agree. Ad hominems don't make an argument and should be moderated or ignored, IMO. But your whiny "but they do it too" Tu Quoque doesn't make for a valid argument either.

Some people might jump on your arguments because they are fanboys, but others jump on your arguments because they are wrong. Stick to the facts and don't resort to ad hominem attacks.
09-07-2010, 10:56 AM
god_43

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

Yeah, I agree. Ad hominems don't make an argument and should be moderated or ignored, IMO. But your whiny "but they do it too" Tu Quoque doesn't make for a valid argument either.

Some people might jump on your arguments because they are fanboys, but others jump on your arguments because they are wrong. Stick to the facts and don't resort to ad hominem attacks.

i tink when dealing with a troll (like savantu), you should just ignore him (ignore lists). i don't know why all of you continue to feed the trolls. they keep spreading the same fud over and over, goading you into responding?

it would be like me saying SB wont come out until 2013 because intel is having problems.....as far as i know they are not but....its an example.
09-08-2010, 03:35 AM
AliG

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Originally Posted by god_43

it would be like me saying SB wont come out until 2013 because intel is having problems.....as far as i know they are not but....its an example.

watchutalkinboutson?

Intel aint have no problem because they be rich.:p:

In all seriousness I highly doubt Intel will ever experience delays beyond 6 months due to their current management team and direction combined with their money
09-08-2010, 03:58 AM
duploxxx

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Originally Posted by AliG

watchutalkinboutson?

Intel aint have no problem because they be rich.:p:

In all seriousness I highly doubt Intel will ever experience delays beyond 6 months due to their current management team and direction combined with their money

Beckton
09-08-2010, 04:08 AM
Florinmocanu

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Originally Posted by duploxxx

Beckton

Larrabee
09-08-2010, 10:35 AM
flippin_waffles

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Originally Posted by Florinmocanu

Larrabee

Tukwila
09-13-2010, 02:13 AM
savantu

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Originally Posted by savantu

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I hope you'll wake up from your dellusion when in the next 3 months you'll see the 32nm products being officially delayed.
...

Not nice to quote myself, but hey, I gave it 3 months, it only took 1 week. I should change my nickname to Nostradamus.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...mmer_2011.html

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A high-ranking official for Advanced Micro Devices said that the company would initiate mass shipments of its code-named Llano products in the first half of next year. Partners of AMD would start sales of systems featuring Llano - the hybrid processor that features x86 as well as graphics cores - in Summer 2011.

"Llano will start shipping in the first half or 2011, and products should be available in summer 2011," said Leslie Sobon, vice president of worldwide product marketing at AMD, in an interview with Inside Hardware web-site.

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Originally Posted by sergiojr

Between 1,5 and 3 month.

Apparently they are 6+.

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BD was always supposed to launch after Llano on matured process.
Low yields could be a stop-factor for production of Llano as it is low-margin product. I don't see low yields affecting launch of BD at all, since it is a high-margin server chip.

Yeah, Llano being delayed for 6 months has no impact whatsoever on BD. Apparently AMD forgot how to make a shrink of the K10 core but everything if fine with BD.

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Originally Posted by sergiojr

Original source of that info is "AMD Q2 2010 Earnings Conference Call". You can read it here:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/2147...all?part=qanda

So exact quotes of Dirk Meyer are

Anything past that is pure speculation.

Indeed. :yepp:

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Originally Posted by generics_user

savantu trolling the forum posting his usual crap without ANY reliable sources is getting extremely annoying, there should be a rule against posting COMPLETE FUD without any remotely RELIABLE sources at all (hell even fudzilla is more reliable than savantu's sources :rolleyes: )...

all normal sources indicated that the bulldozer is on track; llano got delayed by a month (which is an extremely long time :rolleyes:) and that GF 32nm is on track (delay of a single CPU doesn't necessarily mean that the process is broken...)

If you have a spine, better show it. Not that I expect you to have one...

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Originally Posted by god_43

i tink when dealing with a troll (like savantu), you should just ignore him (ignore lists). i don't know why all of you continue to feed the trolls. they keep spreading the same fud over and over, goading you into responding?

it would be like me saying SB wont come out until 2013 because intel is having problems.....as far as i know they are not but....its an example.

Apparently, the only ones spreading FUD is you and other of your kind with green lenses. No problem that they are green, the problem is to have something behind the lenses to actually process the information.

When executive talk about small issues, take note, because they are massive. If they are massive, they are already bailed out ( Henry Richard ).
Some are so gullible that they fail to understand the double nature of executive talk.
09-13-2010, 03:44 AM
freeloader

AMD late again?

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...mmer_2011.html

Geez, who would've thought something like that might happen. LOL....If it was my company, heads would roll.
09-13-2010, 04:16 AM
informal

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"Designing and selling to our customers is well underway, since it takes 12 to 18 months for notebook products to hit the market.

This doesn't mean that desktop models will be summer 2011.IF motherboards hit the market in Q1 2011,CPUs will follow very soon after that. Notebook segment will be covered by Ontario anyway,since we now know there will be 1.6Ghz Dual core version (18W) for mainstream notebook segment.
09-13-2010, 04:25 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by freeloader

AMD late again?

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...mmer_2011.html

Geez, who would've thought something like that might happen. LOL....If it was my company, heads would roll.

QFT

cumon AMD...

It's hard to believe that the ATI and AMD are actually the same company now. Such differences in ability to deliver...
09-13-2010, 04:37 AM
vietthanhpro

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Originally Posted by generics_user
all normal sources indicated that the bulldozer is on track; llano got delayed by a month (which is an extremely long time ) and that GF 32nm is on track (delay of a single CPU doesn't necessarily mean that the process is broken...)

BD will come to market before Llano--> delay Llano !
09-13-2010, 05:10 AM
Xoulz

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Originally Posted by savantu

Not nice to quote myself, but hey, I gave it 3 months, it only took 1 week. I should change my nickname to Nostradamus.

:yawn2:

None of that^^ changes the fact that you are a troll.
09-13-2010, 06:06 AM
SEA

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Originally Posted by savantu

Not nice to quote myself, but hey, I gave it 3 months, it only took 1 week. I should change my nickname to Nostradamus.

to Trollidamus maybe? :rolleyes:

Where you see any delay? They told many times that they put Llano after Ontario and they keep at this schedule. AMD told more than year ago that LLano scheduled for 2011:

SUNNYVALE, Calif. --11/11/2009
...
AMD 2011 Roadmap Overview
09-13-2010, 07:21 AM
savantu

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Originally Posted by SEA

to Trollitamus maybe? :rolleyes:

As always, where reason stops, it turns to personal attacks.

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Where you see any delay? They told many times that they put Llano after Ontario and they keep at this schedule. AMD told more than year ago that LLano scheduled for 2011:

SUNNYVALE, Calif. --11/11/2009
...
AMD 2011 Roadmap Overview

That's your :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing delay, right there.
Llano was supposed to ship for revenue in Q4 2010 and launch Q1 2011. Now it is shipping for revenue in H1 2011 and general release is summer ( that is Q3 2011 ).
A 6 month delay.
09-13-2010, 07:25 AM
MrMojoZ

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Originally Posted by savantu

Apparently, the only ones spreading FUD is you and other of your kind with green lenses. No problem that they are green, the problem is to have something behind the lenses to actually process the information.

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Originally Posted by savantu

As always, where reason stops, it turns to personal attacks.

Pot vs. Kettle? :D

An Intel *fan* posting non-stop negativity in AMD threads (isn't this against forum rules? :confused:) calling AMD fans too stupid to process information is complaining about personal attacks. I love it. :up:
09-13-2010, 07:35 AM
Hornet331

Hmm H1 is still Q1/Q2 2011?

Or does AMD has some odd fiscal year?
09-13-2010, 07:35 AM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by MrMojoZ

Pot vs. Kettle? :D

An Intel *fan* posting non-stop negativity in AMD threads (isn't this against forum rules? :confused:) calling AMD fans too stupid to process information is complaining about personal attacks. I love it. :up:

Only when they have no baisis.
09-13-2010, 07:41 AM
MrMojoZ

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Only when they have no baisis.

So its okay to make negative comments in AMD threads based on pure conjecture, but anyone saying something positive about AMD in an AMD based on hopes for the best is an idiot.

Score one for hypocrisy I guess. :shakes:
09-13-2010, 07:41 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Hmm H1 is still Q1/Q2 2011?

Or does AMD has some odd fiscal year?

maybe they adopted the Valve calender?
09-13-2010, 07:42 AM
RaV[666]

Savantu, Ontario was pulled in.Maybe comments on this ? How is it that you only comment on worst possible things about AMD, and even then you only pick worst case scenarios ?
Based on your thought process i could say, sandy bridge will ship somewhere in march (Q1) , will NOT be overclockable AT ALL (hey, i dont have to point out the K series, im still stating facts) ,and IGP will have performance probably around 3 year old AMD IGP`s (picking 6EU parts) ,and oh it has TERRIBLE software support.Basically the image it would present is that sandy will be late, non oc-able, and performance will be sub par.
Jesus, people, at least try being a little bit objective.BTW, the thread is about bulldozer, not Liano.

And where did you get this "summer 2011" figure ? Because H1 ends in summer ? christ.
09-13-2010, 08:27 AM
savantu

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Originally Posted by MrMojoZ

Pot vs. Kettle? :D

An Intel *fan* posting non-stop negativity in AMD threads (isn't this against forum rules? :confused:) calling AMD fans too stupid to process information is complaining about personal attacks. I love it. :up:

Huh ? My remarks are pretty civil and I refrain my name calling and other stuff. Strictly following the rules compared to what I get.

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Originally Posted by MrMojoZ

So its okay to make negative comments in AMD threads based on pure conjecture, but anyone saying something positive about AMD in an AMD based on hopes for the best is an idiot.

Score one for hypocrisy I guess. :shakes:

I must be good in conjecture since somehow, AMD proves me right. But somehow, you are hypocrisy-free when even if my prediction was proven right, you portray it as "negative comments". Is this a denial-of-reality syndrome ?
It isn't negative when later things prove you right, it is being objective. i'm still waiting for your friend, god_43 to answer.

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Originally Posted by RaV[666]

Savantu, Ontario was pulled in.Maybe comments on this ?

The whole problem started with GF 32nm process. GF and the IBM club use a gate first approach which is more problematic to control than the gate-last approach used by Intel. Gate-last requires more restrictive design rules, but if you can live with that, it is doable as Intel proved and offers similar performance if not better than gate-first.

When AMD designed Bobcat, they targeted the low power stuff, basically using small die CPUs for low power consumption and not cherry-picked mainstream large die ones.
AMD choose TSMC because they have experience with bulk ( ATI ) and it is probably far cheaper than GF ( who's FABs are underutilized ). Low cost and low price as with the intended markets, TSMC was the better option.

Not unexpectedly, GF hit problems with the 32nm stuff. Since now, AMD depended with Llano on an external partner, they decided to transfer engineering resources from Llano ( since it is delayed anyway by the FAB issues ) to speed up the validation of Bobcat. That's why Bobcat was pulled in. Llano is probably more or less ready ( it taped out in Q1 ) , but waiting for the fab to solve its issues.

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How is it that you only comment on worst possible things about AMD, and even then you only pick worst case scenarios ?

How are they worst case when I'm proven right by AMD ?!
Did Llano get a significant delay ? Yet it did. Check.
Did Bobcat turned quite high power compared to Atom ? Yes it did.
Is AMD lacking any close to 1w solution for smartphones ? Yes they do.

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Based on your thought process i could say, sandy bridge will ship somewhere in march (Q1) , will NOT be overclockable AT ALL (hey, i dont have to point out the K series, im still stating facts) ,and IGP will have performance probably around 3 year old AMD IGP`s (picking 6EU parts) ,and oh it has TERRIBLE software support.Basically the image it would present is that sandy will be late, non oc-able, and performance will be sub par.
Jesus, people, at least try being a little bit objective.BTW, the thread is about bulldozer, not Liano.

All could very well be true. If you're proven right, you were objective and I was a day dreamer. But if I'm proven right, will you respond in kind ?

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And where did you get this "summer 2011" figure ? Because H1 ends in summer ? christ.

AMD lady said it ""Llano will start shipping in the first half or 2011, and products should be available in summer 2011," said Leslie Sobon, vice president of worldwide product marketing at AMD, in an interview with Inside Hardware web-site. "
09-13-2010, 08:44 AM
RaV[666]

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Did Bobcat turned quite high power compared to Atom ? Yes it did.

That depends, when you take into account Atom performance, and whole platform power consumption, then no.
Bobcat will have higher performance per watt than atom.
And realistically, very low power atoms arent used anywhere,or almost anywhere.And AMD isnt competing with that almost non existing segment.
I mean really, what would you rather buy, Dual core pinetrail (still iunreleased i think) Atom 8.5W netbook ,or 9W Bobcat ontario one ?

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All could very well be true. If you're proven right, you were objective and I was a day dreamer. But if I'm proven right, will you respond in kind ?

I dont really believe it will be that bad (although bclk limitation looks serious, all hope in mainboard vendors).Im just trying to get to you the fact that taking worst case scenarios isnt objective.

Youre telling about higher power draw than a low end atoms (you dont pick the ones with comparable TDP yet worse performance).Thats not objective.It looks like AMD has one die ,and theyre making what they can with it, at this moment it looks like nettop/netbook/tablet segment.And thats where the fight is.Not in the smartphone one, where ARM has pretty much all the market share, and it wont change in the near future ,be it with intel or amd chips.

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AMD lady said it ""Llano will start shipping in the first half or 2011, and products should be available in summer 2011," said Leslie Sobon, vice president of worldwide product marketing at AMD, in an interview with Inside Hardware web-site. "

If thats true, than its a 6 month slip, thats bad.Would be better tho if there was some official document about that tho.
By products he can mean whole notebook lineup too, chips itself can come sooner.
09-13-2010, 08:51 AM
SEA

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Originally Posted by savantu

Where you see any delay? They told many times that they put Llano after Ontario and they keep at this schedule. AMD told more than year ago that LLano scheduled for 2011:
That's your :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing delay, right there.
Llano was supposed to ship for revenue in Q4 2010 and launch Q1 2011. Now it is shipping for revenue in H1 2011 and general release is summer ( that is Q3 2011 ).
A 6 month delay.

No arguments anymore and you started playing with words? :)
You are trying to assign new meaning for word "put".
After this you really should not take offense for Trollidamus... :rofl:
AMD created schedule for themselves where they put (=placed, not moved) different products in different order. Initially. They did not move the order.
09-13-2010, 08:56 AM
JF-AMD

Too many people are making too many predictions about things that they do not have all of the data on.

Leslie's comments stand.

If people want to get into an argument about products shipping on time, I believe it is best to make sure that their houses are clean first. There have been plenty of "schedule changes" over the years from both houses.

This arguing is getting tiresome.

It might be helpful if people posting had to identify who their employers were and what was in their stock portfolio.

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