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11-12-2009, 08:42 AM
Piotrsama

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Originally Posted by 003

Wow the specs are disappointing. The clock speed is even lower than that of the leaked engineering sample (which was 750/1000). AMD assured us it was not representative of final performance. What they didn't mention is final performance would actually be lower. :(

:eek::eek::eek:
OMG 25 Mhz less in the core
We got screwed big time.

:rolleyes:
This card will be the fastest in the market, bar none.
11-12-2009, 09:34 AM
fornowagain

Still 125 MHz less than 5870 ain't so good. Might even be the crappy cores.
11-12-2009, 09:56 AM
emertX

No, not the cores, just the power...xfx is going to get one out with the native speeds!
11-12-2009, 10:04 AM
Splave

proof?
11-12-2009, 10:05 AM
003

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Let's see how things pan out. There are some fullspeed boards out there right now.

You mean there will be 5970 variants with 850/1200 clocks? What is the source for this? I am interested. Good news if it's true, but what will the cost be?

Quote:

Originally Posted by emertX

No, not the cores, just the power...xfx is going to get one out with the native speeds!

How do you know this? Just speculation or have I missed something? :shrug:
11-12-2009, 10:06 AM
Helloworld_98

Quote:

Originally Posted by emertX

No, not the cores, just the power...xfx is going to get one out with the native speeds!

after 6 months, but one month after the originals release they will send one out with 750MHz clocks, like they always do.
11-12-2009, 10:15 AM
jaredpace

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

im wondering if the VRMs were built strong enough to support 2x real 5870s or if they were built to handle just 300W

I hope they are the same as the 5870 & 5850... There appears to be more phases?

http://i33.tinypic.com/15qqixw.jpg
11-12-2009, 10:18 AM
Hellmann

I dont know if it's old

Review 5970

http://translate.google.com/translat...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
11-12-2009, 10:21 AM
003

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hellmann

I dont know if it's old

Review 5970

http://translate.google.com/translat...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

That is really disappointing if true. On average 10-15% slower than 5870 CF. And I still would like to know where everybody is getting information that there will be a full speed 5970 released.
11-12-2009, 10:26 AM
Helloworld_98

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

That is really disappointing if true. On average 10-15% slower than 5870 CF. And I still would like to know where everybody is getting information that there will be a full speed 5970 released.

ATi have already stated that they're working on perfecting drivers for the 5970 and that the review from ABT (which I'm guessing this one is just a well done revamp of it due to them using ABT's pics) used pre-mature drivers, which severely lowered performance.
11-12-2009, 10:32 AM
Dimitriman

To me the fact that 5970 is 125 Mhz slower might imply AMD could still release a fully clocked 5990 or such, later on.

At least I hope.
11-12-2009, 10:40 AM
zalbard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hellmann

I dont know if it's old

Review 5970

http://translate.google.com/translat...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Old and no longer valid.
11-12-2009, 11:17 AM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

You mean there will be 5970 variants with 850/1200 clocks? What is the source for this? I am interested. Good news if it's true, but what will the cost be?

I don't know if it will be released, I just know a few people have seen a full speed card. There are a few problems that they are working on to get the card out, the normal cooling/power/binning, but it isn't unreasonable to possibly see one in a few months.

An AMD/ATi employee stated that they are working on a 5TFlop card...
So final clockspeeds between 785-850mhz for the core.

Edit- They have the same problems they had with the 4890x2 before they dropped it since Cypress and Juniper were so close, so hopefully some of that work can transfer over to this design.
11-12-2009, 11:19 AM
Manicdan

i would love to see someone release a full speed card with a real cooling solution.
however they might be allowed to do that if ati plans to release a faster model with a different name like a 5980. would be dumb to have it compete with a 5970 OC
11-12-2009, 11:24 AM
grimeleven

Which reminds me to ask... how much bungholio marks?

:rofl::up:

On a serious note, i measured my HAF932 and it would fit, barely with 13inch clearance tho idk about my AC cooler fan. Still valid candidate for an upgrade :cool:
11-12-2009, 11:31 AM
jaredpace

http://www.tcmagazine.com/images/new..._wblock_01.jpg

1000/1300 x 2 clocks should be no problem with this (unless it catches wires on fire or something :p)
11-12-2009, 11:33 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by jaredpace

http://www.tcmagazine.com/images/new..._wblock_01.jpg

1000/1300 x 2 clocks should be no problem with this (unless it catches wires on fire or something :p)

that WB should come with a "1000W+ only PSUs" sticker
11-12-2009, 11:43 AM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

ATi have already stated that they're working on perfecting drivers for the 5970.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

ATI never "perfects" drivers. They FIX what the broke in the last revision and then do it all over again the next time.
11-12-2009, 12:24 PM
grimeleven

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

ATI never "perfects" drivers. They FIX what the broke in the last revision and then do it all over again the next time.

:rofl:

Agreed, newest 9.10 just opened the can of whoopass performance for my X2, un-capped FPS no more after 1 year -_-
11-12-2009, 01:54 PM
annihilat0r

Clocks got shaved 15-20 percent so it's normal for 5970 to be 10-15 percent slower than 5870 CF. Which sucks because 5870 is too powerful and can't scale nearly as well as 4870 did (CPU limitation probably). But then, only those over 4.5GHz i7's are gonna buy a 33 cm card, right?

In any case, most review sites do their reviews with 3.3-3.6GHz i7's; and I believe 5970 won't really impress them a lot, considering it will be only about 30 percent faster than a 5870
11-12-2009, 01:57 PM
zalbard

CPU limitation? Hm, that is actually possible... 5890 should be faster than quadfire 4890...
But remembering the review where core 2 @ 2ghz was enough for crossfire 4890 in Crysis, I am not sure. It's a hit and miss I guess.
11-12-2009, 02:07 PM
annihilat0r

Most review sites I looked at put 5870 CF scaling numbers at ~50% @1920, whereas it was around 80% for 4890s. Since architecture wise there isn't much difference between the 4000s and the 5000s I believe they should scale the same. I think the limit should be CPU. After all, even a single 5870 can pull stupidly high frame numbers at most games.
11-12-2009, 03:15 PM
postumus

I Know someone with 1 of these boards and he's oc'd it as high as 900 core, don't remember about mem, but he raised that as well. Also, I don't think he hit a stability problem at 900, that's just as far as the slider in ccc would go.
11-12-2009, 08:37 PM
Wesker

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

That is really disappointing if true. On average 10-15% slower than 5870 CF. And I still would like to know where everybody is getting information that there will be a full speed 5970 released.

It's called buying two 5870's if you want that much performance for that high a power envelope.

The fact of the matter is that AMD has to work with a maximum power consumption of 300w for this card, and that implies that certain sacrifices have to be made to the GPU cores, the memory and the VRM's.

At least AMD aren't disabling execution units on the GPU.
11-13-2009, 09:23 AM
sonofander

So does the release of the 5970 next week mean that we will have crossfire working with eyefinity?

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