HD5870 and HD5850 Reviews

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Originally Posted by saaya

and performance... i really expected more...
both 5850 and 5870 are always between 285/4890 and 4870x2/295...
i thought the 5870 was supposed to beat at least the 4870x2 and the 295 at least in some cases?

5850 is on average only 5% faster than a 285...
the 5870 is on average 15% slower than a 295...
compared to their own predecessors the 5850 is only ~20% faster on average than a 4890 and a 5870 is only ~40% faster...

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Battleforge dont use tesselation as it isnt adding to the visual quality in the rts game camera view.
http://mikrodatorn.idg.se/polopoly_f...3060608602.jpg

You confusing Nvidias old tech, and it is old and renamed tech, with new tech, brand new, the paint is still dropping from the stickers, the birds havent had time to settle down, the air is fresh and sweet,
get a grip with dx10.1 with dx11, and nvidia isnt even contending.

No confusion here.

Just a note: in dawn of war, the gtx295 has 15fps less than 5870, 50fps if we count in call of juarez.

edit: the tendency is that minimum fps stays much higher on the new 5870.
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews....d=842&pageid=5
That is important for reason as, microstuttering using sli/crossfire, stuttering in intensive fights, racegames etc...

Powercolor ATI 5870 that's in my rig now.

Not mine, belongs to a member in HWZ SG

Lucky you :( Have fun!

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Originally Posted by zerazax

Drivers anyone? ^
At release, the GTX 280 was benched to be slower than the 9800 GX2. The 4800's, while faster than the 38xx's by a lot, were oft compared to the 9800GTX's... Well, add on a 4870 1GB edition, driver improvements... and voila, performance is where we think of it today.

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and you base that on what?
1. the 280 didnt improve perf notably compared to the 9800gx2, sites just stopped including 9800gx2 cards in their benches cause they were obsolete as time moved on.
2. gtx280 performed about the same as 9800gx2, it wasnt slower than a 9800gx2, at least not on average.
3. so what, cause gtx280 price perf sucked at launch its ok for 5800s price perf to suck at launch as well? :P
4. driver improvents of the 4870 were only around 10% on average since 8.7, maybe 15% by now... and even IF new drivers will give these cards a boost, itll take months... and by then prices and perf of other cards will have changed as well... so this argument makes no sense... what matters is perf and price right now, and its not making any sense at this point to go for a 5xxx imo...

if you want perf go for a 4870x2, its CHEAPER and FASTER than a 5870...
if you want perf/cost go for a 4890 or gts260... 50-100$ cheaper and only slightly faster than a 5850...

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Originally Posted by AKM

Ugh.. what?

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon...s/perfwatt.gif

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my bad, already edited my post :D

nice pciE scaling article with the 5870 by w1zz:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...Scaling/1.html

i dont agree with his conclusions though, if your spending as much as 750$ on 2 5870 cards to get an average perf boost of 50% or so, you def care about losing 5+ fps due to running only 8x 8x and you should rather get an x58 board...

and i highly recommend people to NOT use the 4x 1.0 slot on p55 boards for a third vga!

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Originally Posted by GregSG

Powercolor ATI 5870 that's in my rig now.

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overclocks?!?

have a better system to use

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

edit : 4870X2 has 50% more bandwidth than 5870, that the point!

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yeah i guess the bw does add up and work better for an xfire setup than a single gpu... still dissapointing though... if bw is really such a big limit then why did they stay at 256bit and didnt go at least 384?

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Originally Posted by flopper

You confusing Nvidias old tech, and it is old and renamed tech, with new tech, brand new, the paint is still dropping from the stickers, the birds havent had time to settle down, the air is fresh and sweet,
get a grip with dx10.1 with dx11, and nvidia isnt even contending.

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wth are you talking about? are you y_eye? your sentences sound really weird just like the stuff he puts together :D
so cause its new its better?
and cause it supports dx11 its better?

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Originally Posted by flopper

in dawn of war, the gtx295 has 15fps less than 5870, 50fps if we count in call of juarez.

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where?
in coj2 the 5870 is 5-10fps faster than the 295
in dow2 the 5870 is 5-10fps slower than the 295

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Originally Posted by flopper

edit: the tendency is that minimum fps stays much higher on the new 5870.
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews....d=842&pageid=5
That is important for reason as, microstuttering using sli/crossfire, stuttering in intensive fights, racegames etc...

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right, one gpu is better than 2 but if that 1 gpu costs more than 2 other gpus you do start thinking how bad the micro stuttering really is... :D

that review your linking to is comparing a dx11 patched game vs the dx10 version... fair enough... but i doubt we will even see a handful of games with dx11 support anytime soon...

so 5850 keeps a notable higher min fps compared to a 4890?
its a shame tpu doesnt show min fps... ill read some more reviews...

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

As 5850 was put up against GTX 285 in the marketing slides, 5870 is foreseen to rival with GTX 295...

The cards are nicely performing, but I hope them drivers mature fast and games, software is adapted rapidly, so we can see some real gains of these GPU's...

Only thing I see is pre order...where did you order yours Jamesrt2004 ?

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I bought mine at overclockers.co.uk for about € 333 including shipment.
Not that cheap as in the USA, but better as Belgium online shops.

so much for NCIX has cards in stock :P

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5148/5870b.jpg

I expected more from this card. I hope its just early unoptimized drivers because theoretically this card should be as fast if not slightly faster then HD 4890 CF.

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Originally Posted by LOE

If it is good then what is great? Currently I most certainly cannot name anything better.

AMD did a wonderful job, and I think it's about time they take the credit. ATi did the HD2xxx and HD3xxx, the HD5xxx is most certainly an AMD product. AMD got Ati way overpriced and with a crappy design and made something decent out of it. IMO the credit goes to AMD, not Ati

nvidia will fist have to make the GT300 and for their sake, as well as ours, they better make something better than the bloated GT200. I don't think nvidia can survive another GT200 scenario, not with the HD5xxx in production, HD4xxx was way easier to compete with.

GT300 might be faster than the HD5xxx but at what price? I mean die size and yield, heat output and power consumption, performance per transistor or mm2.

Also nvidia will have to make quite the leap, if they want to make GT300 a definite winer they will have to make it MORE than 2x as fast as prev gen, something the industry has yet to see. It is a very hard task IMO, and there might very well be another can of whoopass for nvidia. Hope they manage to stay competitive thou, for competitions sake.

Very well done AMD, congrats. Time to buy some AMD stock maybe?

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This ^^

ATi must've worked their cross-talk, because the HD5800 (Crossfire) series scales better, on almost all occasions. Wonder how well the x2 line is going to scale, seeing that their cross bars run at higher freq.

What I think is the remarkable story is the Radeon HD5850.. @ $249 !!

Not much for many of us, given.. but, clearly a $199 card by Xmass. Thus setting the bar for basic-mainstream DX11 enthusiasts, etc.


ATM, the HD5870 makes everything else moot, period!

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Originally Posted by saaya

so much for NCIX has cards in stock :P

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:down: canadians :down:

I didn't follow the whole thread, maybe it has been posted before, anyway:

Here's the HD 5870 review done by the German hardware magazine PC Games Hardware, this is the English version of the review. Check it out! :up:

Okay, it has been posted already... Sorry. -.-

yeah not that impressed, what was the max i saw 10fps better than the GTX285 and that was only 1 game, all others were about equal with some being less.

not worth the money to ME, but if you have a 4700 or 4800 or even a 4900 series card then you might see the increase. but for 285 owners... nope, nothing special about the ati card..... for now.

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ATM, the HD5870 makes everything else moot, period!

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boy if you call the MEAGER performance increase that i saw in those reviews a lead and a moot point then i have a bridge i'd like to sell you.

but i agree give them time they will work on the drivers and hopefully get some more blood from this turnip.

Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 1GB in CrossFire
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/29...ire/index.html

ATI Radeon HD 5870 vs. NVIDIA GeForce GTX285
http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Grap...ce-GTX285.html

ok, i just read the hwcanucks review...
hes using vista 64 sp1 instead of vista 32bit sp2 that tpu uses... and hes at 4g while tpu is at 3.8g for their i7 setups...
im a bit confused how far their numbers are from each other, so i assume 32bit vs 64bit makes quite a diference?
canucks has the 4870 and 295 performing worse than single gpu cards in quite some scenarios, and has the 4870x2 beating the 295 while on tpu the 295 is clearly ahead in almost every bench...

another weird thing, canucks has a 5870 beat a 4870x2 in quite some situations as well...
very weird... ill never understand how reviews can end up with numbers that are that far from each other using the same hw...
dont get me wrong, im not saying any numbers are fake, it must be diferent windows and driver config...

just finished the canucks review... i dont see the 5870 having constantly higher min fps than other cards... but in 2 or 3 scenarios yes...
no major improvement though imo...

it seems to make a huge diference what review you read!
definately check out several reviews!!!
hwcanucks draws a much more positive picture than tpu for example!

Very disappointing. Why pay $400 for a 5870 when a $250 4870x2 performs the same? Better yet, just get 2x 4870 for $100 each.

Sure for the rich gamers/benchers price is not an issue, but those are the minority.

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Originally Posted by Lestat

yeah not that impressed, what was the max i saw 10fps better than the GTX285 and that was only 1 game, all others were about equal with some being less.

not worth the money to ME, but if you have a 4700 or 4800 or even a 4900 series card then you might see the increase. but for 285 owners... nope, nothing special about the ati card..... for now.



boy if you call the MEAGER performance increase that i saw in those reviews a lead and a moot point then i have a bridge i'd like to sell you.

but i agree give them time they will work on the drivers and hopefully get some more blood from this turnip.

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Dude.. the 5870 ownz the 285, it would be a great upgrade..! Even if they are the same price..!




And yes, the HD5870 makes everything else moot. It's a single GPu chip debuting @ $349... Which means this will be a mainstream $319 card by the Holidays. We also know there will be a HD5890 and the enevitable new x2 series..!

Lestat, do you not recognize the damage two HD5850's will do to anything nVidia relases, once these cards are $199?, for $399(HD5840 x2) you'll have 2,880 shaders...! :eek:

What (under $400) will Nvidia have that can compete with that?

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Originally Posted by HKPolice

Very disappointing. Why pay $400 for a 5870 when a $250 4870x2 performs the same? Better yet, just get 2x 4870 for $100 each.

Sure for the rich gamers/benchers price is not an issue, but those are the minority.

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Buy the 4870x2 and be outdated isn't something I'd like to repeat... I went the 3870x2 route when the 4870 was released and for me it was a poor decision. If you're gonna spend the money for an enthusiast part; get the new part IMHO.

Now that I bought the 5870, I am free to CF them once the prices drop for a really nice performance gain. The prices never really drop below $300 for the x2 where the single card will dip to the $200s. So in the long run that would be only $580ish for two 5870s vs at least $600 for two 4870X2s. It's a wash :p:

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Originally Posted by HKPolice

Very disappointing. Why pay $400 for a 5870 when a $250 4870x2 performs the same? Better yet, just get 2x 4870 for $100 each.

Sure for the rich gamers/benchers price is not an issue, but those are the minority.

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power draw is BLAGGH on the 48XX :( :(



@ le stat... the 5870 beat the 285 in all benches I saw by quite a margin... lol

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Originally Posted by HKPolice

Very disappointing. Why pay $400 for a 5870 when a $250 4870x2 performs the same? Better yet, just get 2x 4870 for $100 each.

Sure for the rich gamers/benchers price is not an issue, but those are the minority.

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wattage..?

noise..?

DirectX11..?

better AF..?

less heat..?

etc..?

:down:

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Originally Posted by HKPolice

Very disappointing. Why pay $400 for a 5870 when a $250 4870x2 performs the same? Better yet, just get 2x 4870 for $100 each.

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where???

http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...pphire_hd5870/
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1682
http://www.techspot.com/review/198-a...d-5870-review/

No HD 5850 reviews yet?

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...012&cid=3&pg=1

:)

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Originally Posted by Lestat

yeah not that impressed, what was the max i saw 10fps better than the GTX285 and that was only 1 game, all others were about equal with some being less.

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10 fps better?
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/r...2344/20100.png

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video...rams/codww.png

http://www.hardware.fr/medias/photos...IMG0026854.gif

May buy new eyes or stop cherrypicking reviews!