Reading this and their thread I believe both sites are to blame for various things happening and its just esculated... and I think its a bit lame tbh. Take it how you like but meh.
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Reading this and their thread I believe both sites are to blame for various things happening and its just esculated... and I think its a bit lame tbh. Take it how you like but meh.
honestly, if any enthusiast vendor thinks that they can deal with bad press from XS, they are a little naive, do a quick google search for anything overclocking / watercooling related and chances are there will be an XS link on the first page. I didn't even know there was a RRR.com, though i guess it kinda explains andyc's absence lately...
I've had nothing but good experiences dealing with Gary in the past but if he truly is supporting that RRR.com site (i'm still reading that abortion of a thread) then I would honestly feel better giving my money to someone that doesn't openly support petty arguments. There was a post about how the LC section was getting out of hand a while back, and all of a sudden the section went back to being mostly civil, it would make my day if that was related to the whole RRR fiasco.
I second waterlogged (wow bro, they really dont like you over there, I'm surprised they haven't burned a virtual effigy of you yet), it would be better if the vendors themselves came out and made a statement.
Vincent unbanned, I would like to hear something positive to remove the filter.
It is sad that is has come this far, my apologies to everyone for this inconvenience.
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Originally Posted by Vapor
I read there (not the garbage...just the LC or other stuff) and can say that Vincent (B*P) and Gary say nothing against XS.
One time Vincent posted about someone contradicting him that nvidia didn't change the 285 reference design but that was it.
Otherwise they are there to do what they do, business
Edit: Ty fugger
So you are saying vendors need to pick a side? Thats just as stupid as banning XS members who participated in thread in another forum. I fail to see that in the XS rules. Once they do it here , then you have every right to manage however you see fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
thanks fugger
they should say something. even in a situation like gary from sidewinders where he doesnt sponsor the site but has his logoon it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brewer265
So Vincent is no longer banned, but B*P is still censored? If you have unbanned Vincent, why wouldn't you lift the censor for B*P?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
No, we are asking vendors to tell us the truth about whether they support Racism, Bigotry and Hatred.Quote:
Originally Posted by brewer265
because if they do support it then they better be ready to back up their positions and stand by their support of such awful things, and if they dont they need to remove affiliation from that site.
because Red likes gary and paid him to put his logo and a link to his website, Gary needs to give an explanation?!?
Ok...here it is....its business is it that hard?
Ppl build watercooling rigs, they need parts, they click sidewinders and there they go
They don't affiliate with the threads. They answer questions and post new information....business
I'm glad to see management step in here.
Like everyone else, I have NO problem with cutting away a cancer from the body, an organization, an internet forum, etc.
It's when you start chopping off an arm at the shoulder to remove a fingernail cancer (hypothetical situation) that you run into trouble.
To the people here who seem to shrug and say "who cares, it's not our site": XS is what it is because of the members. If the members don't like things about the way it's run, it's far better that they speak up to make things change than if they just stop coming. Then we'd see one of the best enthusiast sites on the net get reduced to the level of EOC. No one wants that.
I don't need an explanation, but I did need to know that someone addressed Vincent's concerns directly. It makes me very happy to see Fugger taking steps to ensure that he gets fair treatment in this matter. Maybe no one "owed" Vincent anything in terms of legal obligation, but he's been a positive influence and he was thrown out with the rest of the garbage. If you understand the first thing about relationship management, you understand that he is owed an explanation.
How juvenile and junior high can you get.
Well, guess I am next on the ban list. What is going on with this place lately?
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Originally Posted by brewer265
As I see it, if your banner is on a site, it's there because you paid for it to be there. It's also there because you have no problem being associated with that site. I prefer dealing with ppl of moral character (and I think the majority of XS does as well), what is being done there is far from it. If the business's there are innocent bystanders, it would be in their best interests to come forward and say something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverion77
if you're next on the ban list i wouldnt be posting anywhere near this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Broken
Well said. Maybe I'll be quoted on RRT for posting under you. :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Linus, if i may, i'd like to ask you a question... from one business owner to another...Quote:
Originally Posted by Linus@ncix
would you go in the public and mention that you are a member of such and such forum or does it, in the back of your mind... concern you of the negative repercussions of being "affiliated" with a certain environment?
i've nothing bad to say about those folks... of course, i have my opinions.. but i do not feel that this is the right place to say them... nor have anyone given me cause to say it out in the open... but i have to admit... certain actions is of concern... especially if i am a business owner...
we live in the ages where we have to be careful of who we take photos with... it's ridiculous... but i guess all the sexual orientation comments bother me... since i do have many friends who happen to be gay... and in the fashion industry... i work with many of them...
just like to know your thoughts... and other vendors as well...
sometimes, "membership" and "affiliation" is widely misconceived as "sponsorship"...
Thats fine its your choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
I dont believe it is the job of an internet forum to decide which business is good or bad based on where they advertise but on their service.
This nothing more than forum flame war, no need to be dragging manufacturers and stores into it.
If you have the time to read through this whole thread you would see exactly why people are being banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Broken
he needs to read the thread at RRR alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
I'm no business owner. I'm a peon relatively speaking, but you're welcome to my opinion nonetheless.
You ABSOLUTELY have to be careful who you associate with. We have to be careful whose advertising we run on our site, whose site you advertise with, who you're seen eating a friendly dinner with, etc.
But that does not mean that a company association with someone automatically reflects on individuals within the company, or even the company itself.
From :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana::banana::banana:'s perspective (how many of them do you think speak fluent, perfect English?) they have their banner on an enthusiast water cooling site. They don't read the OT section, and likely don't bother with the subtleties of the English insults that get thrown around. Remember that without proper context it's VERY hard to understand profanities in another language. Here are some examples:
French: One of their harshest swear words "tabernacle" is not even filtered here because it's meaningless to english speakers. It's just a churchy word.
Chinese: One of their swear words means something along the lines of "giant sea turtle"
English: The word that is probably upsetting everyone means "bundle of sticks or twigs" if you aren't aware of all the negative connotations that go along with it.
I'm 100% open to anyone who asks me about my feelings on equal treatment to all individuals regardless of race, gender, and sexual preference, and I do not in any way condone the mistreatment of these people, but you need to understand that a site sponsorship is not always between "best buddies who share every worldview".
And frankly, what business is it of :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana::banana::banana:'s what some members post on there. They have awesome fittings and blocks to design. No time to mess around casually reading forums.
EDIT: I guess I'm yet another example of someone who is a member there and had no idea what goes on with that forum. I registered at the behest of someone who asked me to about 6 months ago, I posted once, and I haven't signed back in. My account is active, but that doesn't mean I'm "associating" with anyone. And so what if I was. I realize that I also wasn't banned, but I just wanted to make sure Vincent got a fair shake. I'd hope someone would have stuck up for me if I'd been banned....
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Originally Posted by kinghong1970
but its isnt in the OT section its in the water cooling section
Normally I would agree that it's business. This goes a bit further though. Advertising dollars that are being spent is helping finance these incoherent ramblings of an idiot and his sheep. Not only are some of them slanderous and derogatory but appear to also be of a legally criminal nature. At this point the supporting companies need to be asking themselves where the line is drawn to maximize profits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverion77
Also the 3 companies whose banners are displayed so prominently need to be looking further then the present. It's a pretty sure thing that when time comes to part the business relationship the same type of threads will appear about them. There is nobody that can put in words what we have read and it be a one time thing. Anybody that crosses that invisible line will undoubtedly receive the same type of treatment. From a business standpoint it would be best to sever ties now rather then later.
It goes much deeper than one topicQuote:
Originally Posted by stangracin3
@Linus, Most of the topics had originated in the Water Cooling section there. Only recently (last couple of days) were they moved from there to where they are now.
Ok, I had gone into RRTech a week ago or so when someone posted a link to it and was disgusted with what I saw. I will not be going back. The only thing i wish to know was if B P was directly asscoiated with anything, or was it just Vincent. If so, all info should be sent to B P and allow them to deal with Vincent internally as they see fit. If B P as a company was directly linked to the stupidity, than I can see a reason for the B P ban. I would also like to know as it will influence any further purchases I make.
Also I saw a mention about SideWinders. Is Gary directly involved in any of that, or is he just purchasing ad space on that site? Information would be nice, so that we, as consumers, can make an informed decision on who to do business with.