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12-05-2008, 04:16 AM
Ghostbuster

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

You speak like PII is out but it's not.
You try to judge them before PII even out! Bad PR if it can't reach thoses frequencies.

Then could you clarify this "Retail AMD Phenom II X4 (Deneb) OC spotted" http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=209892 :)
12-05-2008, 04:22 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by Ghostbuster

Then could you clarify this "Retail AMD Phenom II X4 (Deneb) OC spotted" http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=209892 :)

It's been clarified by dread77 from oktabit forums(he wrote the news in English there):

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Originally Posted by dread77

Trust me, this is definitely NOT a max out. Keep in mind that there is an NDA hanging over our heads.
12-05-2008, 04:24 AM
AbelJemka

I don't know what you want me to do :shrug:
I am the original poster of the links for sure but can't say if this are retail chip...
Ask Pt1t, he seems to know chip owner.
12-05-2008, 04:30 AM
Hornet331

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Calmatory

Appreared after AMD hit 6 GHz. About 90 % of the posts are in threads related to either Intel/AMD.

My guess:
*Shintel is reading some XS News at work...*
"Umg wtf AMD 6 GHZ!?"
*Calls to Donnie, Ghostbuster(;)) and DrWho*
Shintel: "MAYDAY MAYDAY AMD HIT 6 GHZ!!"
Donnie: "So? I am tired of this. I quit!".
Shintel: "??? :("
DrWho: "Omg. :|" *Goess to save Intel's honour*
Shintel: "HA HA HA POOR AMD:ROTF::clap:"
GhostBuster: "Hey guys, I am quite new but I do what I can..."
...so they all are on their mission to thrash the competi...on their mission with Holy Olympic Spirit!

;) No Intelists were harmed while making this story!

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12-05-2008, 04:33 AM
LowRun

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Fwik none and thats the point, Intel didn't started a hype, users showed that they can reach more then intel showed.
Amd on the other hand did a demo of a 6ghz Plus phenom II and set the expectation bar insanely high with that demonstration...

I call that bad PR, if amd would only have shown a 5GHz pII everyone would be as amazed as we are now, and if retail products oc even higher everyone would be freaking out. Now everyone expects 6ghz and if this is not reached everyone is disappointed...

What a load of BS. So you are telling us that when you heard about a 6GHz Phenom 2 OC done by the best overclocker in the world who works for AMD and can choose between many chips, you immediately thought you could do the same at home. If this is the case, you need your head checked :rofl::ROTF:
12-05-2008, 04:33 AM
dread77

OKTABIT keeps them coming... Temps @ 3,8!!! Better believe it...:yepp:
12-05-2008, 04:36 AM
dread77

Quote:

Originally Posted by LowRun

What a load of BS. So you are telling us that when you heard about a 6GHz Phenom 2 OC done by the best overclocker in the world who works for AMD and can choose between many chips, you immediately thought you could do the same at home. If this is the case, you need your head checked :rofl::ROTF:

Oh cmon guys...:confused: There are chips and there CHIPS. Even in the retail market you can buy one that can go a few hundred MHz higher then others.
12-05-2008, 04:43 AM
Calmatory

Quote:

Originally Posted by dread77

OKTABIT keeps them coming... Temps @ 3,8!!! Better believe it...:yepp:

Good otherwise but idle temps are useless.
12-05-2008, 04:44 AM
Metroid

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Originally Posted by dread77

Oh cmon guys...:confused: There are chips and there CHIPS. Even in the retail market you can buy one that can go a few hundred MHz higher then others.

What he is trying to say is that, with the latest processor from the competition we can go up to 4.2Ghz without much knowledge required, right the competition can not make a 6Ghz chip yet like the Phenom 2 but can deliver to all the people a chip which can make its customers happy like me.

If AMD can do the same then it will be a great addition to our list of choices.
12-05-2008, 04:51 AM
AbelJemka

+1
Moreover good chip is good but you need skills too ;)
12-05-2008, 05:26 AM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metroid

What he is trying to say is that, with the latest processor from the competition we can go up to 4.2Ghz without much knowledge required, right the competition can not make a 6Ghz chip yet like the Phenom 2 but can deliver to all the people a chip which can make its customers happy like me.

If AMD can do the same then it will be a great addition to our list of choices.

What i mean and Abel almost nailed it is that the chip is only a part of the equation and that Joe Average should never believe he will get the same results than the best overclocker. It just takes basic common sense.
12-05-2008, 05:27 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by LowRun

What a load of BS. So you are telling us that when you heard about a 6GHz Phenom 2 OC done by the best overclocker in the world who works for AMD and can choose between many chips, you immediately thought you could do the same at home. If this is the case, you need your head checked :rofl::ROTF:

Way to go for a personal attack. :rofl:

Read what amd said about the ocing event and what chips they used then come back and read my comment... then maybe let it settle a few hours and then post again.
12-05-2008, 05:42 AM
dread77

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Originally Posted by LowRun

What i mean and Abel almost nailed it is that the chip is only a part of the equation and that Joe Average should never believe he will get the same results than the best overclocker. It just takes basic common sense.

Well, that's a fact. Not everybody has a spare LN2 dewar in his basement, not to mention the skills...:rofl:

Joe Average will be happy if he can do 4GHz+ on air and MUCH better in a watercooling setup.
12-05-2008, 06:01 AM
duploxxx

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Originally Posted by dread77

Well, that's a fact. Not everybody has a spare LN2 dewar in his basement, not to mention the skills...:rofl:

Joe Average will be happy if he can do 4GHz+ on air and MUCH better in a watercooling setup.

he he you are already giving hints :D

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Originally Posted by Metroid

What he is trying to say is that, with the latest processor from the competition we can go up to 4.2Ghz without much knowledge required, right the competition can not make a 6Ghz chip yet like the Phenom 2 but can deliver to all the people a chip which can make its customers happy like me.

If AMD can do the same then it will be a great addition to our list of choices.

so all yorks and nehalems do 4,2ghz on air easy....
12-05-2008, 06:02 AM
AbelJemka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

Way to go for a personal attack. :rofl:

Read what amd said about the ocing event and what chips they used then come back and read my comment... then maybe let it settle a few hours and then post again.

Cherry picked chip is speculation not fact.
DrWho? speculate a lot about cherry pick chip from AMD, diode deactivated and 6GHz and more i7. He speaks a lot too...
12-05-2008, 10:20 AM
Rammsteiner

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Cherry picked chip is speculation not fact.
DrWho? speculate a lot about cherry pick chip from AMD, diode deactivated and 6GHz and more i7. He speaks a lot too...

I think he's even thinking a Sempron was hidden in the Phenom II CPU IHS:p:
12-06-2008, 06:35 AM
Oliverda

Shanghai/Deneb rev. C2 erratas (19-20.)

Only 12 known erratas. :up:
12-06-2008, 07:10 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

Shanghai/Deneb rev. C2 erratas (19-20.)

Only 12 known erratas. :up:

Not exactly true...

Quote:

Note: There may be missing errata numbers. Errata that have been resolved from early revisions of
the processor have been deleted, and errata that have been reconsidered may have been
deleted or renumbered.
12-06-2008, 07:24 AM
Rammsteiner

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

Shanghai/Deneb rev. C2 erratas (19-20.)

Only 12 known erratas. :up:

OMFG No! Im gonna cancel it all now and wait for C3:rofl:
12-06-2008, 07:42 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calmatory

Appreared after AMD hit 6 GHz. About 90 % of the posts are in threads related to either Intel/AMD.

My guess:
*Shintel is reading some XS News at work...*
"Umg wtf AMD 6 GHZ!?"
*Calls to Donnie, Ghostbuster(;)) and DrWho*
Shintel: "MAYDAY MAYDAY AMD HIT 6 GHZ!!"
Donnie: "So? I am tired of this. I quit!".
Shintel: "??? :("
DrWho: "Omg. :|" *Goess to save Intel's honour*
Shintel: "HA HA HA POOR AMD:ROTF::clap:"
GhostBuster: "Hey guys, I am quite new but I do what I can..."
...so they all are on their mission to thrash the competi...on their mission with Holy Olympic Spirit!

;) No Intelists were harmed while making this story!

:rofl::ROTF: Good one!

Donnie has insider info with no screen shots so NO PROOF.
12-06-2008, 07:51 AM
STaRGaZeR

Do we know how perfomance per clock is in P2?
12-06-2008, 08:14 AM
Ghostbuster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie27

Donnie has insider info with no screen shots so NO PROOF.

Proof or no proof... As I've already suspected, NDA or no NDA (we;ve already seen the 6GHz screenshot)... if these chips can overclock uber well easily, we would be seeing 5GHz+ validations already. Furthermore the CPUZ show its stepping 2 and its not ES, meaning retail ones. It goes to show the difference between the PR demo and real world. ;)

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Do we know how perfomance per clock is in P2?

Shanghai numbers are already good indicators, then there was the slides which only compared with Q9300 and Q9400. :yepp:
12-06-2008, 08:20 AM
Oliverda

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Not exactly true...

If you know additional erratas please do not hesitate to share with us. :)
12-06-2008, 08:37 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghostbuster

Shanghai numbers are already good indicators, then there was the slides which only compared with Q9300 and Q9400. :yepp:

I don't want to compare desktop vs server, so Shanghai is out of the question. I want to know if I will have to clock P2 to 4,5GHz to compete with a 4GHz C2Q for example.
12-06-2008, 08:44 AM
Shadowmage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

Not exactly true...

The missing errata have already been fixed. Your quote only proves my point.

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