Intel brings forward Nehalem Launch

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

It is the most commonly used spreadsheet, and the one that generates the most overhead.

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I agree, but it doesn't negate my point - most office apps aren't multithreaded.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

However, in my work environment I typically have at least 2-3 of the apps open, so multithreaded or not, the extra horsepower is noticeable in multitasking.

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I expected it to end up this way. We were talking about multithreading, not multitasking.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Flash is the most common multimedia object imbedded in web apps on the web... post a Youtube video, you will post flash.

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In this case flash player is just a plugin, not a separate app. And the browser that runs this flash is most likely singlethreaded.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Interesting, a list of crap that nobody really uses except downloaded from shareware sites... some are useful i suppose, embedded with adware no doubt.

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Hello, earth here. "Do one thing, but do it well" - they all follow this philosophy, does it make them crap? None of them is shareware. None of them is adware.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Winamp does not utilize it's own codecs ... but if you do play various files through this app it will call the multithreaded codecs you must install to use it.

Quicktime is mutlithreaded, as is sonic cinepak codecs from Roxio, as is the intervideo codecs, etc. etc. though Winamp does not support these, it does use Lame for encoding (which has MT variants you can use), hell even Windows media encoder is multithreaded.

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Don't know how about you, but I don't have to install any codecs to use it, they come preinstalled.:rolleyes:
Anyway, it's the same case as with flash - application isn't multithreaded, just some extensions are.
You're talking about encoding - yes, it's (fortunately) usually multithreaded. I've been using LameMT too until I switched to loseless formats. But management (usually?) isn't. Playing - at least rarely.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Just checked, windows defragger spawns 7 threads doing one drive, windows desktop manager spawns 8, IE has 37 threads ... of course not all active, but you get the jist.

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How many of them are spawned by WinAPI? IE has a lot of them, if I got IE7 I'd check, maybe it is multithreaded (my IE6 isn't...no, I use FF), but I guess that the other ones aren't.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

The point is, overall, the amount of multithreaded code today is much more available in most all the common usage scenarios that it makes quads viable.

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I didn't deny it.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

I have 3 quads going 100% 24x7.

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So I guess that either you do some rendering, which most people don't or you're crunching, which is spending money on a hobby - surely not a waste, but not productive either.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Yes. Look, if you are not a power user and simply email, surf the web, and use little shut down applet shell extensions, you don't even need a dual core... go get a Via Nano or Atom based system it will do all you need.

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The point is that this list is far from exhausting and MOST advanced tools aren't there.
It has 7zip. Where's FreeArc? Squeez? PeaZip? (all are multithreaded BTW)
It has Visual Studio. How about Eclipse, Code::Blocks, Borland C++, Delphi, Intel C++ compiler, tools for development in Ruby, Java, asm, Python, NSIS? Where are tools for HTML and flash development?
Matlab, Maple and Mathematica...Octave, MathCAD, LabVIEW?
Irfan View and XnView...Total Commander's lister, Universal Viewer?
MySQL...MSSQL, Oracle, DB2, PostgreSQL, SQLite?
Adobe Photoshop...GIMP? Corel?
Paint.NET...there's a dozen of valuable alternatives.
Apache..Nginx, WebLogic?
Where's version control? Virtualization? File managers? Backup programs? Encryption? Antiviruses, firewalls etc.? Wireshark and other network traffic analyzers?
And all types of software I mentioned before? Power users surf the web and listen to music too.

This list is not comprehensive at all it's just a useless bunch of software that 2(1?) people seem to like - you and it's author.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Of course I am, data is data you obviously did not spend any time researching your thesis.

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I'll leave this without comment.

Dude it is not worth the effort.

About the test here http://www.digit-life.com/articles3/...08-3-0-p1.html for Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 they test compile time.. Today compile time is of minor importance in development environments.

Rebuilds are seldom done, only for releases and when they are done the may do it in batches.

A lot of developers are also using some sort of virtualisation.

Ohhh, build times are QUITE important.... frankly, we always do full rebuilds because some a**hole might forget to call a full Rebuild when he/she changes a header file, which is NOT checked for changes (and thus C files including it are not recompiled).
Compile time is the one and only reason I am still upgrading my computer... with 19 different builds occuring at the same time (multithreaded compiles), it sure makes a difference

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Originally Posted by alfaunits

Ohhh, build times are QUITE important.... frankly, we always do full rebuilds because some a**hole might forget to call a full Rebuild when he/she changes a header file, which is NOT checked for changes (and thus C files including it are not recompiled).
Compile time is the one and only reason I am still upgrading my computer... with 19 different builds occuring at the same time (multithreaded compiles), it sure makes a difference

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Then you need to educate developers, you are going to speend a lot of time doing nothing

Multiple builds then AMD is better

Nice news! I guess I'll postpone my upgrade for a bit :D

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Originally Posted by gosh

Then you need to educate developers, you are going to speend a lot of time doing nothing

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People forget, and then we wonder why a fix doesn't fix stuff. No tnx ;)

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Multiple builds then AMD is better

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You got anything to prove that?

I am going to need two PCI slots. Looks like that is going to limit what board I can get. Seems like they most have more PCI-E slots.

any progress ? :shrug:

So is there any real information on when us extreme users will be able to order one from newegg? October? november?

I really see no reason to upgrade from my Q6600. Every single game I've played has been limited by my 8800, not my proc. Seems like a massive waste of money.

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Originally Posted by Swatrecon_

I really see no reason to upgrade from my Q6600. Every single game I've played has been limited by my 8800, not my proc. Seems like a massive waste of money.

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This is not really a gaming upgrade. If that is the only demanding thing you do with your computer.

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Originally Posted by gosh

About the test here http://www.digit-life.com/articles3/...08-3-0-p1.html for Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 they test compile time.. Today compile time is of minor importance in development environments.

Rebuilds are seldom done, only for releases and when they are done the may do it in batches.

A lot of developers are also using some sort of virtualisation.

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IF they don't compile, then how do they debug code? Are you sure you program? Are you saying you never compile until you have your final code? You never check to see if it actually works? This borders on quite possible the most ridiculous statement I have read in any forum.

Time is money, compile time is important. End of story.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

IF they don't compile, then how do they debug code? Are you sure you program? Are you saying you never compile until you have your final code? You never check to see if it actually works? This borders on quite possible the most ridiculous statement I have read in any forum.

Time is money, compile time is important. End of story.

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I agree with this FULLY. I am an engineering student and often have to write VERY large FORTRAN programs that takes months to build. If I waited untill everything was done to say "OK, lets see if it works" that would be crazy. What if a small error makes you have to rewrite all the code?

However, if you are able to write thousands of lines of code without an eroor everytime then don't waste time compiling.

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Originally Posted by CandymanCan

I assume these cpu's will be expensive so will the boards and memory. This will drive prices down for current hardware right ? Like the E8400's DDR2 ect ? Maybe i should wait 1 more month to upgrade so i can get a cheaper system

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DDR2 may start to go up in price. In most cases, I don't think the boards will get any cheaper. CPU's ??? maybe in the short run. You can buy all this stuff used - maybe.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

IF they don't compile, then how do they debug code? Are you sure you program? Are you saying you never compile until you have your final code? You never check to see if it actually works? This borders on quite possible the most ridiculous statement I have read in any forum.

Time is money, compile time is important. End of story.

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How could you read this as ”don’t compile” ?
Do you know the difference between full rebuilds and when you just change one cpp file.

Difference is recompiling a single object file vs recompiling all the object files again. If that object file is linked to multiple files this is still extra time. If you are lucky it only has a single purpose and requires linking to a single file and there isn't a lot of time wasted. But how often is just one source file changed...changing one file somehow always ends up with others being changed to reflect certain changes.

If you have that bad design you will not be able to handle large projects. If I do one rebuild in the app I am doing now just because some of the general code (code that is used every ware). I probably could create a small test application and test the new functionality there in at the same time as I do one full rebuild. It isn't common to get it right for the first try.. You may need to recompile more the once. If the programmer is that stupid and creates design and test code like that there will be much more problems apart from bad design.

There are very good tools today also that helps the programmer, just read about "Visual Assist X" tool for visual studio. It decreases the need for compile a lot.

nice attempetd of thread hijacking gosh and m^2... programming/multithredading apps has nothing to do with earlier launch of nehalem, hell it doesn't even has to do with anything about nehalem....

Luckily I haven't had that happen and the only programming I have done is for classes. But I do see what you are saying. I use visual studio and it is a great tool for programming. It does its best to debug the file for you and alert you to errors.

Intel brings forward Nehalem Launch

When is nda up on Nehalem anyways???

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Originally Posted by highoctane

Intel brings forward Nehalem Launch

When is nda up on Nehalem anyways???

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end of nda is under nda. :yepp:

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

end of nda is under nda. :yepp:

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:rofl::clap:

There's supposed to be some kind of info today or so the rumor went. Not a launch or etc... just some info released.

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

end of nda is under nda. :yepp:

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:lol2: So it would seem!