Well, it could be.
There's a lot of speculation running around.
I'd like to see solid benchmarks with the GTX kicking butt before I make up my mind on it.
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Well, it could be.
There's a lot of speculation running around.
I'd like to see solid benchmarks with the GTX kicking butt before I make up my mind on it.
Nothin like hard numbers!
So true.
I'm pretty happy with my 3870 X2 and it's in my rig now, so I don't have to wait.
Lucky Dog... I am not happy with my 8600 GT!
FYI - The A3 version of G92 was not used on the New 9600 GT due to it being G94 and currently revision A1. (I updated my chart) ;)
The New 9800 GTX and 9800 GX2 will be the first GPU's to hit the streets with G92's A3 revision, with 'all features unlocked'.
I still don't know exactly what these new fatures are, but know we havent seen them yet...
I would love to know what they are. :p: :up:
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Trying to keep all of nVidia's cards straight in my head, this is what I think is currently correct: :)
D8M: Eighth generation Mainstream:, previously named G98 (The old 8 series cards, 90nm processor design.) (Have been out for over a year now.)
D8M: The odd bird - (GeForce 8800 GTS SSC, 112 stream processors, 90nm processor design.) (Out now) Memory listed as (320MB or 640MB).
D8M: (The New 8400 GS, 64 stream processors, 65nm processor design, Pure Video 3 engine, ment to replace previous 90nm versions of the G98 Mainstream cards. (Out now)
Eighth generation Performance:
D8P: (The 9600 GT 512MB, G94 GPU, 64 stream processors, 65nm processor design.) (Out now)
D8P: (The New 8800 GT 512MB, G92 GPU, 112 stream processors, 65nm processor design.) (Out now)
D8P: (The New 8800 GTS 512MB, G92 GPU, 128 stream processors, 65nm processor design.) (Out now)
Note: All three D8P GPUs share the same architecture and transistor improvements over the older G80 GPU's. http://hardocp.com/news.html?news=Mz...VzaWFzdCwsLDE=
Eighth generation Enthusiasts:
D8E: (The 9800 GTX 512MB, G92 GPU, 128 stream processors, 65nm processor design.) (Out soon...)
D8E: (The 9800 GX2 512MB x 2, (2)G92 GPU's, 256 stream processors total, 65nm processor design, 1GB frame buffer, two PCB's.) (Out any day.)
Note: The GX2 and GTX should be under revision A3 of G92. This version will have some extra features unlocked that were previously unavailable in earlier revisions. (Still unconfirmed)
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So would we all! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Talonman
FYI - We do have this shadey posting of a new 9800 GTX still showing revision A2 of G92. We can only hope he has a BETA card, or the photo was doctored... :)
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=241354
Mabey the Ultra will get revision A3... :shrug:
More bad news on the 9800 GTX front. Apparently it is only getting a 14K score in 3DMark06. The New 8800 GTS is already getting real close to that, so it's more disturbing evidence that the GTX is nothing more than an OC'ed GTS.
http://www.techpowerup.com/53685/NVI..._3DMark06.html
I also noted that these 9800 GTX screen shots, are also showing that revision A2 was used, not the A3 I was looking for... :(
I like what 'Trog' and 'brian.ca' posted:
What's happened is very simple.. to take the wind out of atis 3xxx series cheapo launch.. The green team bought forward two 9xxx series cards at low relative prices.. The 8800gt and the 8800gts...
This worked very well.. but now the two fake 8800 card are being presented in their proper place its not looking so good...
The 8800gt being presented as the new 9600 is clever but the 9800 cards are just a let down.. They have to be.. There is nothing left in the hat to pull out..
Also ati didnt cheat.. producing the same performance for half the power draw and heat is a new generation chip.. with multiple gpus heat and power draw is the key factor..
trog
Image taken from: http://www.techpowerup.com/53358/GeF...p_Updated.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02-22/geforce.PNG
Higher number doesn't mean the better chip, it's the 9600 that uses the G94, the 9500 uses the G96, the rest are all the G92 used within the 8x00 series cards released last fall/winter.
Trog above pretty much nailed what happened.. the G9x chip was Nvidia's next gen chip. ATI had two good cards coming out within the 38x0s. As a pre-emptive strike Nvidia rushed out some versions of the G92 cards (remember how stock supply was such a problem for them? That was probably b/c of the rush job) as 8x00 series cards. The GT and GTS should have been 9800 cards, but for one reason or another (most likely they didn't want to introduce them as the new gen when they may not have been completely ready and the other variants were also not ready yet) they were solds as 8800s. It's less that Nv is trying to rebrand an old card as much as they improperly branded a new card. But one way or another though don't expect too much of a gain on any of the 9x00 series cards over what we saw of G92 chips among the 8x00 series b/c the changes will mostly be tweaks.
'brian.ca
I myself am disappionted with what I am hearing about the 9800 GTX. If this dosen't turn out to be a bad joke, I am looking at the 9800 GX2 now as my first choice...
A wise man from over at the Hard Forum posted:
I still want a card that does Crysis at 1,920 x 1,200 res, with high detail. I no longer believe the 9800 GTX will be up for the job... :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinn
The 9800 GX2 looks to be $449.00.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/01/...force_9800gx2/
No wonder nVidia was listing the 9800 GX2 as their Big Dog. It is! :eek:
The up side is the GX2 gets released before the GTX. I hopefully won't have to wait as long to figure out the pick of the litter on the GX2 cards.
Yeah... but the GX2 with two inward facing PCBs will be a royal pain to WC...
That blows if it's true...
I know.. I know... and it burns to think I will have to give up on the watercooled GPU idea.... :shakes:
It is a tough call between a faster GPU, or a cooler one.
I think I want the faster one!
Ah... but will the faster one on air run as fast as the other one on water?
That is the big question, but have to believe that 2 hot cards in SLI, would still beat 1 cool card all by itself.
(This of cource is stated with the stipulation that there is as little differeance between the cards, as I currently believe will be between the GTS and GTX.)
I wonder how close Buckeye can get in 3DMark06 on his rig to 14K?
Most 9800 GX2 info taken from here: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14173
Most 9800 GTX info taken from here: http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/GeFo...iled/5599.html
Head to head, place your bets... :)
Hypothetical 9800 GTX --------------------------- Hypothetical 9800 GX2
Stream Processors= 128 ---------------------------- A full 128 stream processor on each card, 256 Total.
Core= 673MHz ------------------------------------- Core= 600MHz
Shaders= 1683MHz --------------------------------- Shaders= 1500MHz
Memory= 1100MHz 512MB GDDR3 (136-pin BGA) ------ Memory= 970MHz 512MB x 2 (1000MHz GDDR3)
256-BIT BUS --------------------------------------- 256-BIT BUS
Two DVI-I and one DHTV-out ----------------------- Two DVI Out
Two SLI Connectors -------------------------------- Supports Quad SLI Configs.
Two 6-Pin PCIe Power Connectors ------------------- Not sure.
Total Board Power= 168W.
CoolerMaster TM67 Cooler (I believe it's this one: http://en.expreview.com/?p=276)
1 other + for the GX2: Each chip's 256-bit memory bus will be hooked up to 512MB of 1000MHz GDDR3 memory, which should add up to an aggregate of 1GB of RAM and 128GB/s of memory bandwidth.
1 blade of the GX2 isn't going to be quite as fast as the GTX, but two of them in SLI, my money is on the GX2...
There is this report too: http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/GeFo...arch/5574.html
"VR-Zone learned that the fastest single card from Nvidia, the GeForce 9800 GTX (D9E-20) will be launched in late March, about 2 weeks after the 9800 GX2. It is G92 based and it is rumored to be clocked between 750-850MHz",
Sounds to me like they were guessing A tad high on the clock, but mabey not? That would put each card higher clocked than the 9800 GTX. The GX2 could turn out to be a runner...
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA== The 9800 GX2 is said to be at least 30% faster than a 8800 Ultra.
ill be all over the 9800gx2!! i want that
hopefully it fits fine in my cm690 lol
It looks like a beast!! :p:
We might need some Vaseline to make um fit?
Yeah it is getting interesting :)
With my rig as it stands right now I can hit 13K easy. Pushing past that with my current cooling is just not worth the risk of over heating.
I am really watching these cards tho. as I am very, very close to a new rig purchase.
Between the GTX and the GX2, what would you go for? :shrug:
Depends on stats.
But I would rather go TRI-SLI with GTX's.
But if it looks like GX2's are going to perform better than very possibly those.
Only problem with the GX2's is water cooling as I do plan on a phase/WaterKeg setup on next build.
I am not sure on lead time on the phase and WaterKeg units so I do have a bit of time to see how the new cards shake out.
Lucky Dog... :)
If you were currently running on a single 8600GT, I bet your hand would be twitching to buy like mine!
Plus, my mobo dosen't support SLI, but would deal with the GX2. ;)
Ref link: http://www.techpowerup.com/53685/NVI..._3DMark06.html
One thing I am wondering about as of late:
The 9800 GTX dude is using: "Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 @ 3GHz, 2GB of DDR2 memory, ASUS Maximus Formula X38 and a single GeForce 9800 GTX @ 675/1688/1100MHz the result is 14014 marks".
Reading some GTS (G92) reviews, I spotted this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...k=False&Page=3
Cons: For those of you that are 3dmark06 junkies like me...i bought one of these and scored a 13414 on 3d mark with q6600 ocd to 3.0, 4gb 1066 ocd to 1200, 2 10000rpm raptors raid 0. i added another 8800gts for sli and got 14500, only 1000 difference! after spending all day switching cards around and on the phone with evga we finally found out that it was being bottlenecked by my cpu, people with the exact same setup with their cpu ocd to 3.6-3.8 were getting 4to5000 more points than me which is exactly what i thought i should get.
Made me glad I am running a Quad at 3.8GHz, but also made me wonder if the 9800 GTX dude @ 3GHz might not have a CPU clocked fast enouigh to let the new GTX shine? I am digging here I know....
Would a 3GHz processor hurt the performance of the 9800 GTX?
This guy may have been inflating the results by allot....
yes I believe those screens of the GTX are BS.
#1) look at device id is that not a g92 gts?
#2) My BFG 8800 GTX OC have like 2x's the stats of that 9800 GTX
I simply do not believe those screens, but who knows. Why buy the new 9800GTX then if its simply a rebranded 8800GTX.
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/GeFo...arch/5602.html
Note:Nvidia has informed their partners the upcoming GeForce 9800 GX2 launch is delayed again till March 18th. No reasons provided by Nvidia. However, it is probably due to drivers issue according to partners. Right now, the card is scoring about 14K+ in 3DMark06, lower than the Radeon HD 3870 X2.
So the GTX and GX2 both are getting 14K in 3DMark06?
The madness continues...
LOL !
This is actually funny :)
I think the boys above have it right...
I never baught into the 'nVidia is just sand-bagging us because ATI didn't keep the pressure on' thing...
They brought 2 of the new 9 series out in the form of the (G92) 8800 GT and GTS. Other than a tad less heat, and less power, and mabey a wee bit more OCability, G92 was not much faster than the old chips. G92's main function was smaller and cooler. They did do that successfully.
I wanted faster, and didn't care about power usage, and was going to put it under water. Heat was not a big fear...
The first cooler running, GT or GTS couldn't touch an Ultra in speed. It could beat it in temps and lower power consumption....
Now it's time to show the big cards nVidia has been holding for more than a year now, and what is played? A GTX and GX2 that are only hitting 14K! Gasp :eek:
Wow...
I do think it showes this is the best they can do right now....
It also showes they weren't just sand bagging...
Well... there's always the 3870 X2 :D
Mine cracked the 19000 barrier on a dual core cpu ;)
Plus the EK X2 waterblocks are pretty sweet...
I am disenchanted with both cards to be honest...:(
I may have to look at the ATI camp again soon.
I hear you... I wasn't sure at first, but now I quite enjoy mine.
Seems to be doing great in the games I play and does nice in benchies too.
I'm waiting for the EK waterblocks to arrive at NCIX.com and I'm going for CrossfireX under water :D
Sweetness for sure.... :up: