!!!The Ultimate K8L Thread 2007 & Beyond!!!

I looked at that roadmap you posted. I really need help getting a date from it. When it says K8l would available. I measured across the time line and its about 2 3/8" . so a rounded it to 2.25 than divided it by 4QT. which comes to .5625. or 5/8 " thats what one qt would equal./ So I than measured over from Jan1 07 5/8 " Guess what acorrding to that measurement K8L is suppose to be here in the 1st. qt of 07. I am really struggling with that roadmap as it doesn't seem to have a mathamatical value connected with it.

It just looks like a bar in 07 that reaches from 08 to the 1st qt of 07.

So one of you better graph readers can maybe explain this mathamatical oddity to me.

Or is this just a bar graph that just that shows K8L appearing sometime in 07.

Also the link below that says that HT 3 won't be here till 08 . Yet that road map shows it in 07.

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Originally Posted by Turtle 1

I looked at that roadmap you posted. I really need help getting a date from it. When it says K8l would available. I measured across the time line and its about 2 3/8" . so a rounded it to 2.25 than divided it by 4QT. which comes to .5625. or 5/8 " thats what one qt would equal./ So I than measured over from Jan1 07 5/8 " Guess what acorrding to that measurement K8L is suppose to be here in the 1st. qt of 07. I am really struggling with that roadmap as it doesn't seem to have a mathamatical value connected with it.

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What in the world...You actually did that??OmG.

Did you even read my previous post Turtle1 ?Or you read only the ones that give you the information that AMD will die soon,and in a horrible way /sarcasm

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Originally Posted by informal

I think Fred lives in some virtual reality world since he missed one of these articles :rolleyes:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...onf-part1.html

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If your referring to this post. Ya I read it. I also read the link.

Were was this presentation given?

Who were the speakers and what is there job titles?

:clap:

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Originally Posted by Flambo

Do people really want AMD to make crappy products and die? Why do people want to predict gloom and doom for AMD?? I for one want both AMD and Intel to be strong and competitive so they can push each other make better and innovative products. We the consumers benefit for healthy competition. People here don't have inside information (I don't think, anyway) so I suggest we all wait and see what K8L is really like. Company statements are that ... just statements company wants to put out. All companies want to shed the best possible light on their product. We'll see what the truth is when retail hardware hits the shelves. :woot:

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Being new to the forum, my opinion probably isn't worth jack, BUT I gotta agree with the comments about this threads purpose.

It really is full of bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: amd vs intel on every page. Would be an Excellent thread without it (due to all the relevent info it contains not being hidden amongst bickering)

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Originally Posted by Turtle 1

If your referring to this post. Ya I read it. I also read the link.

Were was this presentation given?

Who were the speakers and what is there job titles?

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You can read,can you?
It's all on the first page i linked to...It was official presentation,and from a (very) official guy.
So click once and read it yourself.
And BTW,this info is online for a long time,it's not like it was out yesterday....

This is interesting
Going from a 4point Amd dual core cpu platform to a 2point Barcelona Platform actually decrease the power consumption from 474 to 242 watts:)

Thats pretty low for a system cointaining of 8 Complex Processor:D
Now a 8core system consuming only 242 watts is inded perfect for Wcg:toast:



Being a socket F 2p platform I might even be able to afford that when its out:D






http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1169723585
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1169723585

What a load of crap...since when do NVIDIA NB burn 16w ?!

@Turtle1 AMD stock is rising ;)

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Originally Posted by savantu

What a load of crap...since when do NVIDIA NB burn 16w ?!

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heheh ye, you also gotta love they use the maximum possible A+V draws for the Intel chipset. If that was true, the P965 would use alot power power then 975X. And we all know how that turned out.

But again, Its PR in the best Apple/Sun way.

But people might have missed the smallprint...estimates and actual result may vary. Its a free get out of jailcard for BS PR.

you guys have a point that an Nvidia NB takes more than 10W
but that doesnt take away the disadvantage of the FB-Dimms on the intel side of the story

Hello!

I found a news on a french website. If I understood it right, than they talk about AMD anounced in December that the Barcelona will be 13% faster in TCP OLTP and 46% faster in SPECfp than the XEON 5355.

http://www.hardware.fr/news/8566/amd...-qu-intel.html

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Originally Posted by cumec

Hello!

I found a news on a french website. If I understood it right, than they talk about AMD anounced in December that the Barcelona will be 13% faster in TCP OLTP and 46% faster in SPECfp than the XEON 5355.

http://www.hardware.fr/news/8566/amd...-qu-intel.html

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interesting link

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Originally Posted by informal

You can read,can you?
It's all on the first page i linked to...It was official presentation,and from a (very) official guy.
So click once and read it yourself.
And BTW,this info is online for a long time,it's not like it was out yesterday....

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As I said I read it. I just wanted you to say were and who. Seeings how you have made effort to avoid it I will say.

Place- Moscow IT presentation

Speaker one-Pierre Brunswick Job title-Vice directorof Marketing and sales eastern europe and TURKEY

Speaker two- Guiseppe Amato Job Title-Director of sales Europe/Middle east and Africa. Very Creditable people I am sure who know their jobs well. I know many car salesman all very very creditable.

That link is about as valuable as post 189. ;)

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Originally Posted by Turtle 1

As I said I read it. I just wanted you to say were and who. Seeings how you have made effort to avoid it I will say.

Place- Moscow IT presentation

Speaker one-Pierre Brunswick Job title-Vice directorof Marketing and sales eastern europe and TURKEY

Speaker two- Guiseppe Amato Job Title-Director of sales Europe/Middle east and Africa. Very Creditable people I am sure who know their jobs well. I know many car salesman all very very creditable.

That link is about as valuable as post 189. ;)

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Thta's the most stupid post i read in a while.Period.
Speaker two couldn't have less important title :Director of sales Europe/Middle east and Africa....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
And he is the one who gave the main presentation.
You really need to get a grip.Scary stuff man.

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Originally Posted by Teroedni

Yes it does
And its alrady been posted in this thread:rolleyes:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=48

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Thanks for the link and the sarcasm. Not sure how I missed it before. What do you suppose that faded Barcelona bar means? It appears to extend from Q1-07. Isn't it normal to release some ES chips a few months before shipping the final product? K8 ES was benched 16 months before K8 launched. Not that I expect a similar delay for K8L but I do expect ~3 months from ES to shipping product.

I'm really not sure how to read that roadmap. It's more than a little vague and subject to a lot of interpretation. It does seem to suggest that AMD has brought K8L forward by a few months from previous roadmaps. If true, good for them. They really need it.

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Originally Posted by informal

Thta's the most stupid post i read in a while.Period.
Speaker two couldn't have less important title :Director of sales Europe/Middle east and Africa....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
And he is the one who gave the main presentation.
You really need to get a grip.Scary stuff man.

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Hay it was your link heres a qoute from that link. I wasn't placing any importance on either speaker. As they are both just salesman.


Then the floor was given to Guiseppe Amato — Technical Director of Sales and Marketing in Europe, Middle East, and Africa;) ;)

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Originally Posted by Turtle 1

Hay it was your link heres a qoute from that link. I wasn't placing any importance on either speaker. As they are both just salesman.


Then the floor was given to Guiseppe Amato — Technical Director of Sales and Marketing in Europe, Middle East, and Africa;) ;)

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So what's you point man??That there is no point in your post??
The guy had a "go" back then to say Q2 for uniprocessor and QuadFx Altair and he did just that!Live with it man.
You seem to be also in some type of denial,like wishing AMD slips Stars into Q1 2009 and dies soon :confused: /actually not confused at all/
And by the way,that News section ban was for a reason,we all know that.You are doing the "right" thing here too,so be our guest.

Why do you insist on saying things that aren't true and the personnal attacks all the time. I never said I want AMD to disappear. I simply said I doubt that K8L will be here in april -may. I also don't believe K8L will be 40% faster than C2D. The road maps don't say Aptil -may. The Inquirer does. Hay if you want to put that kinda faith in the inquire feel free to do so. I won't except a salesmans say so either . But if you want to fine.

I didn't mention theInq in our little discussion, man.You are really something...
I provided the so much wanted link for you,directly from AMD's mouth and you are still not satisfied.Well,i can't do much for you there.Nobody can.
I bet that Stars will rock and will be better than Penryn(forget clowerton...).It's my opinion.So we'll see who is right in a few months.

I agree that K8l will be= or > than C2D at the same clock. But penryn is going to do 4.GHZ without breaking a sweet. Why do I think that? Because C2D @ 65 nm does 4.2- 4.3 on water. So the more effient penryn will have no problems with those speeds. Factor in the DDR3 and it should be great with loads of bandwidth. The thing I really like about the X38 chipset . Is the DDR3 and the pci-e 2 double the bandwidth . So you can use 8x pci-e lanes and have = to 16x lanes bandwidth. I have no doubts K8L is going to be a fast cpu. But Penryn wolfdales should scream. On water I am thinking and its just my belief no one else's it will do 4.5 easily and have the bandwidth to scale with ddr3.Along with 6md of shared cache. Thats all I know about X38 right now. But I think and again its just me that X38 will have the ability to do DP. I am sure that intel will need 2 seperate FSB's but we already know intel has that ability. I can invision the V8 or if you want the V4 destroyng everthing in its path.I didn't really mention Intels snoop filters as a possiabilty with X38 but that is possiable.

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Originally Posted by Turtle 1

I agree that K8l will be= or > than C2D at the same clock. But penryn is going to do 4.GHZ without breaking a sweet. Why do I think that? Because C2D @ 65 nm does 4.2- 4.3 on water. So the more effient penryn will have no problems with those speeds. Factor in the DDR3 and it should be great with loads of bandwidth. The thing I really like about the X38 chipset . Is the DDR3 and the pci-e 2 double the bandwidth . So you can use 8x pci-e lanes and have = to 16x lanes bandwidth. I have no doubts K8L is going to be a fast cpu. But Penryn wolfdales should scream. On water I am thinking and its just my belief no one else's it will do 4.5 easily and have the bandwidth to scale with ddr3.Along with 6md of shared catch. Thats all I know about X38 right now. But I think and again its just me that X38 will have the ability to do DP. I am sure that intel will need 2 seperate FSB's but we already know intel has that ability. I can invision the V8 or if you want the V4 destroyng everthing in its path.I didn't really mention Intels snoop filters as a possiabilty with X38 but that is possiable.

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umm the term is "lucky conroe does that on water" the last time I checked the average Conroe overclock is in the 3.2-3.5Ghz range

Well nn the 6800 do much better than the numbers your referring to. Also we all know guys are getting 4+ghz. with C2D on water. So the penryn should achieve it easily. Same as the K8 @ 65nm. they should all do about 3ghz. that seems to be where K8's wall is. I don't really know where c2d's wall is but i know its above 4.3 ghz.

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Originally Posted by Turtle 1

Well nn the 6800 do much better than the numbers your referring to. Also we all know guys are getting 4+ghz. with C2D on water. So the penryn should achieve it easily. Same as the K8 @ 65nm. they should all do about 3ghz. that seems to be where K8's wall is. I don't really know where c2d's wall is but i know its above 4.3 ghz.

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yes I completely agree that SOME people are getting 4+Ghz with conroe but most are not. also per what you mentioned is also true for intel. perhaps the shrink of conroe may not provide a large improvement in max overclocks but it'll probably help the average a little bit.

Can we have the FACTS in the first post??