Water block coming out 5-10C better than the Storm?

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11-30-2006, 09:20 AM
HaxR3

what about

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/6...werfanswq3.jpg

EDIT: As in how heatpipes could be used
11-30-2006, 09:27 AM
nikhsub1

I'll say it again, watercooled heatpipe if a waste of time.
11-30-2006, 01:34 PM
oshox

Here's a nice pic of that waste of time:
http://www.nulime.com/img/id124174/n...-Exchanger.jpg
That's a Thermaltake Volcano 4005 Heat Exchanger. I imagine it sucks.

Now, back to the exposed IHS idea...
What if it were a *partially* exposed IHS? Say, if the cups at the Storm's base went all of the way through. There'd be problems, like water possibly fouling up the TIM, but it sounds plausible.
Combine that with a pulse-style system, like mentioned before, and a diamond-epoxy base (That sounds cool as hell) and I'm sure you could get a significant advantage over the current-generation Storm.
Wouldn't be cheap, though.
11-30-2006, 01:53 PM
AzraelDarkangel

A crappy attempt at sticking a crappy radiator on a crappy water block type thing to make the whole thing more compact with tiny restrictive hoses.
11-30-2006, 01:57 PM
Fr3ak

The more I think about it, the more I like the direct die idea. Think I am gonna give it a try as soon as I have the time to.
11-30-2006, 02:45 PM
JoeBar

Quote:

Originally Posted by oshox

Here's a nice pic of that waste of time:
http://www.nulime.com/img/id124174/n...-Exchanger.jpg
That's a Thermaltake Volcano 4005 Heat Exchanger. I imagine it sucks.

OMG i'm going to through up... :sick:
11-30-2006, 10:12 PM
STEvil

i'd do one better than that pic.. an entire self contained water cooler contained in the cpu heatsink (block, pump, rad).

But I forget the product name and dont have a link. There's one for sale at one of the local computer shops though.. lmao.
11-30-2006, 11:24 PM
Clay

I remember that. That was in a thread that somehow got tracked over to the worst watercooling kits. Petra posted the link. We all gasped.. It was scarey! LOL

@oshox: Where in world did you find that? Thermaltake strkes again. They really have no bussinees in water. Still poeple will buy it. It big! It's gizmoey! It has heatpipes! It has water! OMG I've got a sales pitch for it... "Don't you feel sorry for this thing? It really needs a home.."

Norths Idea: It almost has to be direct IHS. But there are some problems with that. I really hope he gets it working. 10c I don't think so. 10f yeah just maybe.
12-01-2006, 12:35 AM
Petra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clay

I remember that. That was in a thread that somehow got tracked over to the worst watercooling kits. Petra posted the link. We all gasped.. It was scarey! LOL

What, you mean the Sunon Waturbo? :D :rolleyes:
12-01-2006, 12:44 AM
STEvil

nope, not it. Fan faces side-ways on the heatsink i'm talking about.

Interesting idea with the waturbo somewhat, though.
12-01-2006, 05:43 AM
Xeon th MG Pony

Galvanic corrotion A++ Copper base Alu body, they may well have just used convection. To think that it blows down where it is re-heating the socket and rebreathing lmao.
12-01-2006, 07:36 AM
Clay

@Petra Thats the 1 I thought he meant.

@STEvil: You mean theres two of them?
12-01-2006, 08:45 AM
speed bump

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

I'll say it again, watercooled heatpipe if a waste of time.

Depends what your are doing, if there is a material with a low boiling point that wont reliably condensate in air cooled applications, you could see some benefit with water. It would change how change how we look at WCing currently to attempt to build it though.
12-01-2006, 10:09 AM
Fr3ak

That Waturbo design looks interesting. I dont think its that bad than it looks like at the first look.

Quote:

The project is called Sunon Waturbo and, according to a report by HKEPC web-site, managed to cool-down Intel Pentium 4 660 (3.60GHz, 2MB cache) processor under full-load to 54°C, down 6°C from a typical cooler supplied by Intel for the chip, while producing 25dB of noise, 8dB lower compared to the original cooler.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/coolers...418123542.html
12-01-2006, 10:17 AM
Shpoon

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

nope, not it. Fan faces side-ways on the heatsink i'm talking about.

Interesting idea with the waturbo somewhat, though.

You're thinking of the Silver Knight, arn't you?

http://www.evercool.com.tw/products/wc-601.htm

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ghlight=knight
12-01-2006, 12:37 PM
Fr3ak

LOL, transformers for the win.

There is another water/aircooler out there. I found it accidently on ebay a while ago, but cant remember what it was called. Maybe I can find it again.

I found it: Akuatek FS-92

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers...ek-fs92_5.html
12-01-2006, 07:45 PM
STEvil

Evercool Silver Knight is the one
12-02-2006, 09:12 AM
Clay

@HaxR3: Nice try... Shows yer' thinkin' .... The problem with heatpipes and water is heatpipes need heat to work. Water takes the heat away. So you are left with what amounts to as pretty bad water block. Keep thinkin' about stuff like though you might hit on something that we'll all be buyin'. LOL
12-02-2006, 09:17 AM
AzraelDarkangel

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

Evercool Silver Knight is the one

It's pretty decent compared to other air coolers but sucks compared to water coolers.
12-02-2006, 09:21 AM
AzraelDarkangel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clay

@HaxR3: Nice try... Shows yer' thinkin' .... The problem heatpipes and water is heatpipes need heat to work. Water takes the heat away. So you are left with what amounts to as pretty bad water block. Keep thinkin' about stuff like though you might hit on something that we'll all be buyin'. LOL

Moving air takes the heat away too, water is just more efficient. I think the point is you need heatpipes that work at a low enough temperature and you may want to cool the pipes closer to the top half so the liquid has a chance to evaporate in the lower half. I may do some experimenting at some point if I have the money.
12-02-2006, 10:04 AM
Pete

Quote:

Originally Posted by andersson.j

I belive that a countersunk o-ring pressed against the IHS would seal very well. That's how many blocks (i.e storm) are designed and how many barbs seal. A simple direct IHS block could look something like this:
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/69/directihs1nu2.jpg

A picture of the countersunk o-ring.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4...ectihs3oy2.jpg

The only advantage with this method is that the heat has one less TIM to pass. But you could achive the same thing with a normal block on a naked core and then you could increase the surface area of the base with some structure like cups which makes it perform even better. Hence I don't think he's using direct IHS cooling.

Maybe if you used the same principle to build a direct die block? But it wouldn't be compatible with soldered IHSes so I doubt that's what he's thinking either.

I wonder what he's up to, if he's actually up to anything...

Umm insted of making a block top to fit over the IHS on LGA775 why not make a new IHS base plate. Take an IHS of the LGA775, copy it and have one made yeah, then over the die you can have what ever to do the disapation job. No problems with leaking or anyhting.

Fact a IHS is coper just TIN plated. So you could make a coper top, and braze it shut! AS5 on the core, and place the block on and clamp it up.

I'd love that.
12-02-2006, 10:10 AM
Clay

@AzraelDarkangel:I sorta' thought that too. But still it cant cool below the water temp. And most likely it would only add thermal resistance. Increasing the delta between the water temp and core temp. But still it might be worth a try.
12-02-2006, 10:34 AM
Fr3ak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete

Umm insted of making a block top to fit over the IHS on LGA775 why not make a new IHS base plate. Take an IHS of the LGA775, copy it and have one made yeah, then over the die you can have what ever to do the disapation job. No problems with leaking or anyhting.

Fact a IHS is coper just TIN plated. So you could make a coper top, and braze it shut! AS5 on the core, and place the block on and clamp it up.

I'd love that.

Removing the IHS on Intel CPUs is pretty hard and risky.
If you remove the IHS you can aswell use a ordinary block and cool the die directly without using a IHS.
Would have the same effect than what you are suggesting.
12-02-2006, 12:25 PM
Pete

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

Removing the IHS on Intel CPUs is pretty hard and risky.
If you remove the IHS you can aswell use a ordinary block and cool the die directly without using a IHS.
Would have the same effect than what you are suggesting.

In fact it is dead easy! The problem using any form of cooling IHS'less is cracking the die! So this way the IHS is made to fit touching the die right but also the wafer, so when you tigthen it down it wont kill anything!

Safer, thinner etc etc! Also wether you'd need to have funky stuff over the dia aera or not as it being directly above the core i duno but i'm sure having just a cap over it and water passing through it would cool it loads.
12-02-2006, 12:40 PM
Fr3ak

If you are careful, you dont crack anything. I have never used a IHS on any AMD cpu and none of the CPUs died.

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