I have no 64bit OS to run.
See what I can do about posting although my cpu-z validation is up so isn't that enough? What'cha lookin' for? Just curious.
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I have no 64bit OS to run.
See what I can do about posting although my cpu-z validation is up so isn't that enough? What'cha lookin' for? Just curious.
CxP
Damn, who's willing to trade their x64 extensions for an unlocked multiplier?
It seems your 64bit instruction set is disabled now. We want to confirm this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clocker
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/6...ion/trial.mspxQuote:
Originally Posted by Clocker
you can download trial version of w64 for free ^^
please try it :)
RMA what?
See my edit....
keep it !!! just wait a little to help to know how to unlock these cpu !!! but y can also sell it to another member of XS who wants to test itQuote:
Originally Posted by Clocker
but keep it in the community please !!
dude you have to plz try it out c'mon
Which Board makes that Cpu unlocked?
Which Bios and what settings?
Thank You for Help MR. Clocker
Try ReadingQuote:
Originally Posted by Driver
Why do you want to RMA it? does it still not work normally for you now? I'd just keep it if it still does everything i want it to do.
Keep it for a while Clocker, there's no need to RMA it right away...
I think he said it does not overclock high.. and i'm also thinking that is why no one else wants it.. cause whats the big deal that its unlocked if it dont clock great.
:slapass:
Whts with all the childish comment in this thread, if someone wants to sell something for profit or not its THEIR right. Its got nothing to do with you and you have no RIGHT to critisize tht person.
If you felt so strongly abt the CPU u should have BOUGHT it! Go do some growing up and leave XS to the more forward thinking people.
Please stop SPAMMING these forums and INSULTING forum members.
mong
For me it's sad that Clocker RMA'd his unlocked CPU but i can't blame him for that, it was HIS CPU. I can only say I wouldn't do it.
He could have at least posted the CPU-Z dump I requested, but it is late now. It could have helped us :(
Well, let's just hope this thread will end up with a solution...
Sorry. I forgot about that CPUZ dump but I believe I still have it on my Desktop. I will post when I get my replacement CPU and have the PC up and running again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ref
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Me either. We are here to help each other to find the way to unlock the Venice's, aren't we? If I had something in my hands that may help us to get to our destination, I would keep it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ref
I have cleaned this thread up, this is the only warning I am going to give, flames and selling outside the classifieds is not welcome here at XS. Please read all our FORUM RULES HERE and act like adults.
I was sorely tempted to simply lock the thread and end the nonsense and next time I will. Either get back to the business at hand and try to unlock some chips or leave the conversation entirely.
Thank you for your cooperation
Ugly N Grey
Thanks UG. What a relief.
I too am a little sad :(
but not to the extent tht i would part with the cost of the CPU :p:. We are all different people with different opinions and views, this is the way things should be. It wouldnt be a nice world if people were allowed to impose their views upon other people, unfortunately some people live in tht world, lets appreciate the freedom we have and get on to solving the problem at hand (man i just wrote a speech, hehehhee :p: )
I still believe someone should de-compile the software used for CnQ. Just to take a look at whts going on. Im thinking there may be a chance tht a certain combination of settings in the bios may adversely effect the programming of the CPU (whilst using CnQ, i.e. telling the multi to drop); disabling certain functions of the core.
If wht im saying is correct and peeps volunteer to give it a go; and it works then cool
:)
If it dont work then I'll shutup abt the programming theory :D
Another observation:
The BIOS would correctly identify the chip as a 3200+ all the time. My first thought was that something physically happened to the chip to prevent it from being identified correctly by the BIOS (allowing additional multipliers) but maybe that theory is flawed since the boot up splash screen would recognize the chip as a 3200+ every time. Even if I was overclocking it (both the old and new motherboard pre & post unlocking) the system would identify the chip as a 3200+ every time.
That's because the chip "introudces" it self to the mobo as an 3200, careless of the higher multi and by that the higher frequency.
AFIK the A64 are not recognized by their multy or their frequency as the old A-XP were.
At high Clocks (350x8) my Dfi don't detect the Cpu in Biosscreen.
But windows works flawlessly.
My guess is that the cpu got a power-surge which messed up it's registers.
Yes, maybe it works vice versa in a64!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus
how do you rename it in a64?
someone rename their 3200 to 3400 and see if multi's are unlocked
:banana:
sounds stupid, i know, worth trying tho
SO?! The result? really an unlocked venice?!
yup :)
So we've found it? That's it, rename the chip in CPUID?
And how do you go about doing that...? LOL, I can't even find CPU-ID to dl :stick:
my thoughts exactly....how do you rename your cpu? :rolleyes:
*warning fart*
I bet permanent marker would work...pencil would probably come off with the AS5. ;)
/crap
Does anybody even have a link to DL it? Google brings me to CPU-Z and roadkil's CPU ID that said my 4400+ was running at 6.2GHz :stick:
So, sorry for asking this question. But I'm not in the mood for reading the whole thread!
I know that something has to be done but what? How did he unlocked his venice?
Where is that? How should we rename our CPU in CPUID?
I guess I have the program. Is that Crystal CPUID?!
Thx for your responses!
Stop Flaming please
won't work i've tried it in windows with cbid - no go even gave my cpu the 3700+ name still 9x multi
roadkil's CPUID, CBID, CPU-Z all don't do it....I guess I should try Crystal CPUID?
@ Driver.....huh? People are asking legit questions, not flaming :stick:
Could someone plz tell me what should I do?
I've already got Crystal CPUID.;
Is that change perminant (Spelling wrong I guess!!!)
Hmmm, looks like Crystal CPUID has the option to play with registers.....but I'm with Mehran here, how do we do it? I'm willing to try to see if it unlocks my Opteron.
I think that you're just supposed to change the "146" to "150", for example. BTW, how did that JTAG programming work out?
okay but HOW do you change it :rolleyes:
...ezzactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by computerpro3
Is it with the registers or what?
Yeah! Thx Vapor! PLZ someone explain the procedure. Thx in advance.
Dude, I jsut had an obsurd idea, i had little or none confidence if it'll work.
anywho...
Ranaming CPU wont do it in windows.
It needs to say 3800 instead of 3000 in the boot
won't work a guy on here had a 8500+ (bad string id) and he had locked multies
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=75587
My opinion;
Nothing you do externally to these chips is going to unlock the multis, whether its jtag or laser cutting or whatever, this is a "write once" thing 99.9999999 per cent of the time. The other tiny fraction is screwed up, busted, a mistake and not likely replicateable. If you spend 40 hours working on this and could have been working for 5 dollars an hour and made an additional 200 bucks, you could have bought all the multis (read: bought a higher multi chip) you needed anyhow.
But it's interesting reading... so carry on please :D
Starting to agree with UnG here....I thought someone had gotten it to unlock via renaming it, but I guess not.Quote:
Originally Posted by i found nemo
Unless it's the actual process of renaming it that will break it, regardless of what you name it to. (?)
SO?! Some of u say it's possible! Some of u say not!
Which is right? Which is wrong? Who is right? Who is wrong?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
CONFUSED!!!
What the hell is wrong with that guy?! I mean 8500+!
I think AMD is not really careful about its production line!
What the hell happened?!
IMO this isn't about money, it's a challenge, it's the joy to make something that seems to be impossible happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
RELAX ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mehran
By all means, whack away, I'm not belittling the effort, just doing my part to point out the alternative viewpoint and solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daved+
I HAVE to admit to the ultimate puzzlement I have about all this though... what possible difference could it make? Our boards handle higher HTT speeds than the chips multis can reasonably produce, there is no such thing as a 1:1 memory setting on this platform. So what exactly is the gain if by some chance there is success?
As well, the M2's are coming out next year and that is creeping up on us fast, this will be a dying platform in no time. It's like buying an AXP off Ebay and modding it show up as an MP... fun but a waste of time considering some dude with an El cheapo x2 is putting up four times the numbers....
My honest advice? buy one of the Opty's that everyone and their dog seems to be cranking 3GHz out of and spend your spare cycles beating up the guys who bought Sandys.....
Anyhow, as I said, the geek in me finds this fascinating, please continue.
UnG
UnG, last time I checked, not every mobo can do sick high HTT and not every memory divider works for everyone. So having higher multipliers may be useful for some people ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
David+: thank you dude. My Neo2 Tops out at about 270 on the HTT. SO no matter what chip i get, i cant get over 2.7Ghz. Experience with this winnie says that anyway. Not tried another chip. A higher multi would be great. scared to get a 3000+ or a 144 cus of the x9!
Fair enough Daved and Postal, I was thinking the DFI boards and you set me right. I can see a use for it there.
So after 31 pages, no one suspected software bug?
I'm surprised nobody unlocked one by now. I don't think there are even any unlock mods for 754 so apparently amd is good at locking them down.
The thing that somebody posted by the linux guy was interesting. He told the other guy that if the cpu "oopses" not to publish it so he seemed to think it was possible that what they were doing could cause an unlock. At least thats what I thought he meant.
I still have no progress because all things you have posted i tried
1. Enabling CnQ and playing with HTT (up to 330)/multi(x4-x9)/Voltage(0.8V-1.8V)/Freq's (800Mhz-2800MHz) ... Nothing
2. Renaming CPU String from registers C000003x (nothing as it seems to me prev.)
3. Play with pins (isolating each NC_xx, JTAG, STRAP_xx)
And i didn't get any HW still. I'll wait some more. I'm still hoping to use a JTAG-port on CPU. If it is ever RO, it is possible to write SOME data to it, because CLEAN register is 111111.... and when it flashed ..it become 1000110...etc...so we can put 0 if there is 1 :) But with multi this means that we can get x5 max multi from x9 cpu :) So I will wait for mobo arrival...
THX. (And don't flame such things as renaming cpu in win :)))))
UnG, BTW I think that locking sequence on ALL A64 (from Sempron 3100+ to Opty 8xx) is the same. They all have JTAG. So If people would get Unlocked Opty this will be perfect :) or an Athlon 64 X2 FX :)
which stock multi's would be useful if we could write zeros over one, have you checked each one out and see if it was even worth it ?
Maybe amd already thought, first 0 means locked, rest of numbers mean from what multi.
CNQ + Renaming CPUID ftw?
Someone at DFI-street says he has an unlocked s754 3000. Thought you guys might want to get ahold of him.
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25811
Don't believe there is a S754 Venice so something doesn't sound right :confused:
:lol2: :rofl: :rofl: :bounces:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Good one!
probably but, maybe it's possible to reproduce that bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by jahjahbinks
Something must have caused this bug, to stay. Maybe even a voltage peak.
Quote:
Originally Posted by HiJon89
new semprons
You mean this?Quote:
Originally Posted by i found nemo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819104241
Dudes, understand this:
Socket 754 CPUs are exactly the same as socket 939 CPUs, the difference is the memory controller. Since the unlocking or multiplier setting voodoo has absolutely nothing to do with the memory controller I see no reason why the magic shouldn't work on S754 cpus.
Also I don't believe the unlocking has anything to do with it being a Venice core, could be just a little screw-up at the AMD manufacturing plant and it just happen to be at the Venice cores. If the same machine processed some other cores later the same problem could exist in those other cores.
I have to totally agree to UnG, the unlocks are screw-ups at AMD. Trying to unlock it via the JTAG connectors has really no chance of working seeing as those have been on AMD cpus for like ever.
Trying to unlock the cpus won't work, people have been trying on Intel cpus since they were locked with no succes.
What people should do is write down the batch codes, good chance the batch codes are the same or very close together. At AMD they are now all in a folder called 'screwups'
These were the markings on the unlocked chip I had:Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorry
ADA3200DAA4BW
LBBWE 0531 EPDW
2735016 H50628
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HiJon89
no those are palermo cores, winnie based ... venice semprons are the ones i think the e6's with x64 and sse3 i'm pretty sure but could be wrong
I believe you are right Nemo..
nope i was wrong e3
edit here's link
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...978#post886978
So... you unlocked a lower multi? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by TiN_EOF
His proc isn't unlocked. Unlike nF4, nF3-bios' shows all multies, BUT higher value than defaults won't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixtapalapaquetl
Has anybody seen the unlocked venice that started all this? I understand it's sold but to who? Whats the odds it was a hoax?
:slapass:
What?!?!?!?!?!!?!? What did u do with that?!
It hasn't been sold - it is still for sale in For Sale forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbomb944
Why?!
He RMAd it because CnQ didn't work anymore (and it seems that he lost the x64 instruction set as well). Move on, it was already discussed. Lets focus on the unlocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mehran
pirs (forum starter) didn't sell it yet
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...light=unlocked
i hope you guy's will find it.
Can't wait to unlock mine :banana:
I'm surpised he hasn't! :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by KoHaN69
surprized. .... not i 300 anything is too much i dunno how much 300 euro is in american dollars .... but .... yea
so have we determened if it's bios error, c&q error, manufacture error, combination of installing removing process error?
We haven't determined a damn thing yet :(
300 euro is about 366 in us dollars, not really interested in that. Also I really doubt we'll figure out how to unlock. I don't know cr@p about machine language or writing drivers or anything. I would say that a person would need to develop some kind of packet sniffer type of thing and actually wiretap the boot sequence as the comp talks to the bios. Then maybe you could pull some kind of man in the middle attack on chip or the bios. If for instance the bios gets the fid on pin x and then in order to set the multi it must send that data to pin y to set the multi you've got a chance. You must lie to pin y and you've got whatever multi you want. I have no idea if that makes any sense or not though, it's probably completely retarded. It may even have some error handling such as if no data comes from pin x then operate unlocked, so you could just hack off pin x. I've never even messed with wpcredit too much let alone know how to talk to the chip.
he lost the 64 bit instructions, and Cnq? who uses Cnq anyway?
People that rma unlocked venices...
The thread has already been cleaned from posts like these. Please do *not* make it be locked down.
Thank you.
Clocker, don't RMA your chip sell it here in the community.
He already did it. Move on. Please.Quote:
Originally Posted by serker
Back on the topic...
Ok, the cpu has internal "registers" which are in fact addressable static memory.
When you want to alter the multiplier, you tell the CPU "please change cpu-multiplier to X"
"the CPU takes X and compares it to its MAX_MULTIPLIER"
(MAX_MULTIPLIER) is a value stored in a register (static memory) in the cpu.
"if(X <= MAX_MULTIPLIER)
setRegisterValue(CURRENT_MULTIPLIER,X);"
Now.
There are 2 way in succeeding with this.
1. JTAG-interface, change value of MAX_MULTIPLIER
2. JTAG-interface, bypass the call to "if(X <= MAX_MULTIPLIER)"
Clockers CPU most probably got a power-surge which definately scewed up his CPU by scrabling some of the registers. The CPU most probably still is able to process x86-64-instruction, but the register saying that it can, has been messed up.
The CPU also is CnQ still, but same as above, the place that says it has CnQ, has been messed up.
Ok?
There is however a chance that AMD didn't burn the JTAG-bridge on all non-ES CPUs, this would make sense because if a customer like Clocker RMA:s a messed up CPU, AMD could easily connect to it via JTAG and see what was screwed up, flash the registers back to what they should be, and then sell it again.
But, then we also have the risk that AMD definately sends a destruct-signal to the JTAG-interface on the CPU which disables JTAG, prior to shipping the CPU.
So, in any of the cases, we need the JTAG-experiment to work, and for that to work we need the spec of the A64 939 JTAG interface.
Very interesting info there....thanks. I'm really not sure how we would procede from here though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warship
BTW....about selling them back, I'm pretty sure there are laws/regulations against that ;) They could sell them to OEMs though, just not back through Retail.
They could either flash the CPU back to its original state, then ship it back to him, or give him a replacement and ship the rma'ed one to some third world country as a tray model.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
But since AMD is phasing out their bulk/tray-sales, going for retail-only (so cusomers get a CoA etc), that wouldn't be likely.
In any case, the _only_ hope is JTAG. Because there is a specific register we need to tamper with, the one which stores the max-multi.
Yes, but HOW do we tamper with JTAG--any ideas?
On a PDF about AMD's Geode processor it mentions the JTAG Interface.
Maybe the K8's is similar?Quote:
JTAG interface and trace port compatible with First Silicon
Solution development tools: www.fs2.com/isa-geode.html
Tin-EOF has some plans from what I've read in this entire thread.
The hardware is not much of a problem, we know what pins go where.
The problem is the spec.
We can't talk to it unless we know what to say, therefore we need the spec.
The A64 939-JTAG spec.
How would we talk to it, exactly? Couldn't we listen to it in theory then, as well?
What we would do is that we would tell it "Set register MAX_MULTI to 010101(*or whatever value that x25 corresponds to)"
Tada. Fixed.
But to be able to do that we need to know what we have to do before we can tell it to change the values.
Perhaps it's only possible to flash _all_ registers at one time, rather than changing specific registries. If that's the case then we need the total spec of the registers, which values they need to have, so the CPU doesn't get fubared.
To simplify things a bit, this might be a colorful illustration of how it _may_ work:
A = we through JTAG
B = CPU through JTAG
A: Hi there, are you alive?
B: Yes.
A: I want to set a new value to register MAX_MULTI, and that value is X.
B: No can do, that register is read-only.
A: Ok, how about I want to flash your registers, since there are some erronous values in them.
B: I guess that's ok, go ahead.
A: flash-registers, set data 0101010100101010100101010101010...
The thing is, for us to flash the entire CPU, we need to know what goes where, in terms of register values.
And for that we need the spec.
Simple as that.
(This is pure speculation, but seems rational enough compaired to the BIOS-ideas and so on)
Well if the Jtag could be read on an FX could they be copied? Then flash them to a 3200 or whatever..
That's not entirely true.Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
We'd use the venice 3000+.
We'd probably need to read one register value at a time, then put them in one large update-chunk, change MAX_MULTI from 9 to 25, then overwrite _all_ registers on the cpu at the same time.
If we'd copy info from an FX to the Venice, we'd have to change the entire CPUID-info.
It's easier to use the same model, extract all data, modify MAX_MULTI, and then shovel it back into the cpu.
But for us to get a copy of the spec from AMD, we'd need to sell some souls to Satan. :fact:
Ahh got it! Sorry I know nothing when it comes to this stuff. I just thought it might work. Well I hope Tin_Eof figures it out! I have already donated my dead DFI mobo to this so I hope someone figures it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warship
Really?! How bad! That's no problem. Someone should find a way to unlock these :banana::banana::banana::banana:s!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Daved+