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Hi :) , first post ever!
Sierra bound ur using 3v, anyone know the max these Ballistix can take?
I can only get 265 or so out of these sticks and 2.8v doesn't seem to help. Haven't tried anything higher yet as I have heard they can be a little sensitive!
Thanks
I was haveing trouble with getting my sticks past 280. And even at 250 I would get a PFN_LIST_Corrupt debug code on cold boots, and sometimes on a warm reboot or reset. Did a search on M$ tech site and came up with it was most likely ban RAM.
So I started testing the sticks individually.
With all mem timings set to auto in the BIOS except for 3-3-3-8, found one stick would do 290 with ZERO error in prime stress ram/PI 32m anything I threw at it.
With a little tweaking 297 18hours prime stress ram errs free was doable.
Found the other stick to be the cause of the PFN_LIST_Corrupt, even at 240Mhz fully auto timings. Once in windows it would run up to about 280Mhz, but some time during the course of an hours worth of testing it would freak out and start spitting out errs, or cause games to crash.
So remember to test the sticks individually if your having any trouble:)
That sucks, I just ordered it a couple days ago... hasn't come yet. I know someone on extremeoverclocking said they were making some changes with the new shipment... oh well, we'll see how they doQuote:
Originally Posted by Doom5
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My story is identical to Doom5's. Got it on Friday. Same silver heatspreaders and black pcbs. Same :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty overclocks: 208MHz @ cas 2, 220Mhz @ cas 2.5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
Might make sense to cancel. And for those who were thinking of ordering, wait until this issue is resolved.
if you can wait till monday and call in, one of our techs can give u suggestion as to what to do to get optimum performance.
Duonger
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Originally Posted by Doom5
Do you also have the same voltage issues where raising the voltage doesn't help and will actually create errors at speeds that were stable at default voltage? 220 Cas 2.5 seems stable at 2.6volts(lowest my mobo goes) but if I raise it to 2.7 or 2.8, which is within spec for the memory, I get errors.Quote:
Originally Posted by acrh2
Got my Mushkin HP PC3200 2gb kit on friday from ZZF. Even though I'm not able to use them for another two weeks, I didn't want to see them sell out which they did the same day. My sticks are also sporting silver heatspreaders and I'm disappointed that they are not the new/better heatspreaders that Mushkin has been talking about.
Damn, if these overclock as poorly as others have been seeing, looks like they're going to be for sale and helps convince me to get some crucials. I hope this isn't a way for Mushkin to get people to buy the PC3700 instead, so they can make a few more bucks.
I thought I mentioned this before. Maybe it was at oc forums. Not sure. But the answer is yes. The highest voltage I can use is 2.65 for cas 2.5 @ 220MHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doom5
the new heatspreader started shipping with the redline only. we will start shipping them with the other products starting the 19th. The 3700 are with the old style heatspreaders also.
Duonger
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Originally Posted by Capt_Caveman
So what did you end up doing about that lazy stick?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
Heres 280 on these Patriots@ 280 3,3,3,8
CPUZ Validation!
Anyone else have the CE-6 Infineons. Looks like Im the only one so far. :confused:
RMA. Crucial has super customer service. Just call them up if your not happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lood007
I may have to. I have a lazy stick too. One passes memtest at 295 MHz, and the other craps out around 255 or so at stock volts/timings. :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
my ram can do 302 mhz at 2.5.3.2.8 timings but only at 1200 mhz speed (4 × 302), is that allowed or has the cpu have to run at his normal speed ? hehe crappy toledo memory controller
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Originally Posted by Victory
1200? That's pretty slow :-)
Your RAM cannot do 302....it does CPU/5 with the 4x multi.
What do I have to do to get the Patriots included in the data base?
Wait for the author (EnJoY) to update it :) In a couple of days he'll go through everything that has been posted and update the database as necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaspar
would be nice if the CPU is run at atleast stock MHZ for this test/database.
why would anyone run a 2.4 gig CPU at 1.2gig ?? atleast keep a stock CPU as a min requirement.
True, true.
1 stick looked okay @ 280, the other was higher but didn't really try since my CPU is 'MHZ challenged' :hitself:. Played w/ CPU affinity and stuff avgd about 3-4hrs w/ prime. Ran just 2 processes (let teh OS decide who gets what like it normally would) .9GB prime24.13 w/ large mem FFTs and .9GB using OCCT (need something left for winblose) prime lasted 11.5 hrs and OCCT over 20 (killed it then so I could USE the machine) Running @ 260x10 so I can get enough out of it (2xD2oL :hehe: :hrhr: ).
Memtest BW: B4 (4x.5GB@2.5-3-3-6) 2988MB/s. After: (2x1GB@ 3-3-3-8) 3385 MB/s :D (Got up to 3564 @ 9x280 and when I tried to put it 3771 @ 9x300 (something to shoot for some day (more like 9x290 after a month burnin)).
Looking forward to see what my D2ol output is tomorrow :hehe:
Hmmm... is it just me, or does crucial have the DDR PC4000 Tracer 2GB kit back in stock?
http://www.crucial.com/store/MPartsp...L2KIT12864L503
Same story here. I just missed getting the good stuff :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Doom5
Silver heatspreaders on mine, & it doesn't OC at all.
At stock timings, the highest i can get is 206. I had to loosen timings to 2.5-3-2 to actually get any higher, & i couldn't get into Windows @ 225 no matter how loose timings were. Ridiculous.
For the last time people....this is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing overclocking, if you happen to miss a good batch of something, stop crying like little babies. Yes, you could have gotten cheaper stuff for less, but either way you paid for these sticks and they function at their guaranteed speed. Don't take it out on Mushkin by RMAing them (even though Tom and Brian are being sports about it), don't take it out on Mushkin by :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing in forums like XS and OCForum about how their PC3200 part doesn't do what it used to.Quote:
Originally Posted by -n7-
Mushkin is a business....introducing a higher speed binned part is competition against OCZ and Crucial, which is REQUIRED in business, and they can't exactly turn around to Infineon and :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: to them about how poorly the BE-5 chips are OCing and demand an 'RMA'.
Give them a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing break, they make some of the best products available and help drive the industry forward...
To anyone else who complains about not purchasing the rare 250+ 2.5-3-2 sticks: fack you, deal with it.
I guess i came across as being a bit unhappy :p:
Really though, it's certainly better than the Corsair VS i had before, so although it didn't seem like it, i am happier.
I don't RMA stuff for no reason, so i certainly wouldn't do that with this RAM.
I just like to complain, since my timing was really bad.
If i'd been smart & ordered a bit sooner, i'd have the old stuff which OCed so well ;)
Way to be a sport n7....let's hope others will see the error of their ways now...these forums really do impact what sales Mushkin gets and these complaints are rediculous and are unnecessarily and unjustifiably giving Mushkin a bad name.
Guys, I spoke to Mushkin, it's all the BE-5 from the last batch that's OCing this way, all brands that carry it are having the same overclocking issues(Patriot, OCZ). If you're unsatisfied, trying contacting Mushkin, they may be able to help.
Re: Ballistix 1Gb modules. I just bought some of these, and I'm very impressed! I can't OClock this system much, as the board is rubbish, but I bought them for my new upgrade that I'll be building in a month or two. However... just thought I'd shed some light on how these things work at slower speeds. You're probably not interested in putting this on the database, as that's essentially an overclocking database, but one thing I like about this RAM is the fact that it runs at very tight timings (for 1Gb modules) at lower bus speeds also... making it a great general choice of RAM no matter what you want to do with it.
It's currently running at 220MHz @ 2.5-2-2-5 with only 2.6V
http://www.davidgregory.plus.com/ballistix-4.jpg
http://www.davidgregory.plus.com/ballistix-5.jpg
What is best BIOS for 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix (Tracer) and 4400+ (Toledo) on DFI nF4 LP SLI-DR?
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by slider99
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:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lood007
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ease up guys.
And my question was answered in this very thread, and I did not cross post.
Yea, ease up. I was just saying that cross posting is craptacular. Taking it personally does not answer your question.
And by the way, I have found 704-2 and 704-1 to be equally good for this ram.
Ok, thanks. That was what I was hoping to hear. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lood007
Btw, sorry for cross posting, I just was unsure whether my question would be answered in either thread, so I tried to double my chances. ;) And yes, tbh I must say I took it personal, even though that might not have been your intention.
Edit: Where can I get the 704-2BT BIOS? I can't seem to find it. Thanks!
Edit2: Found it! BigToe's modded 704-2BT BIOS
what are the mods to that bios?
bios cd= http://forums.theoverclocked.com/dow...p?do=file&id=1Quote:
Originally Posted by slider99
Mods done to 704-2BT:
- based on 704-2
- removed all the CAS settings that don't work
- removed the added 0.1vdimm thats applied when you set TRCD to 2
- unlocked some unknown register options (A , B , C , E , D)
- Vcore bug of 704-X "removed" (123% and higher options have been removed, so safe to use)
by Big Toe and OscarWu
Is the Crucial Ballistix 2x1GB kit available anywhere other than the Crucial online store? I cant seem to find anywhere that has stock. :(
Nice clocks on these puppies make me what a piece of the pie. :)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146549
They got 8 left better hurry As I got mine already :toast: :toast:
So far 2.5 at 2 2 2 6 220fsb
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Originally Posted by airwolves
6 left g0 g0 g0
Just a question: how can you tell how many they have left?Quote:
Originally Posted by airwolves
type in 50 and then it will tell how many are left to purchase..
enter a high quantity in cart and it will reduce to correct on hand automaticlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lood007
Is there any difference between buying 2 single sticks and buying a 2GB kit?
ah, I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by airwolves
Cool deal, thanks.
Anybody seen a crucial rep posting lately? There was a guy a month or so ago posting but havent seen him since. Crucial owes Enjoy and all ballistix owners on the DB a thank you for all the sticks we've sold. I'm convinced that this thread sold almost every available stick of 1GB ballistix. It sure would be nice to have a Crucial Rep around that knows what he's talkin about. If OCZ or Mushkin could put out some memory like this, I would definatley buy it over the ballistix, even if it costs a little more. My reason is the support we recieve from the OCZ and Mushkin peeps here in these forums.:fact: Step up Crucial!!
Well oddly enough a few folks have ordered the same Patriot sticks I got and they were all BE-5 and wont overclock worth a :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: . The stuff I got is CE-5 and overclocks to 280. Anyone else got these modules yet?? Or did the OCing gods bless me?
Haven't PM'd to have this added, but I decided to try a less popular bugdet minded 1gb stick: Gigaram PC3500 (GR9053-1GB/433/SA). Uses AED93T500 chips on a PCB that i've seen elsewhere (94V-0 in the corner) although I can't quite put my finger on it.
Incomplete results: (I didn't test many timings)
6-3-3-2 1T / 205mhz (DDR410) / 2.6v passes
7-3-3-2.5 1T / 225mhz (DDR450) / 2.6v passes
8-4-4-3 1T / 230mhz (DDR460) / 2.6v passes
235mhz at any timings or voltage fails :(
So not exactly a great stick, but I didn't expect much to begin with. I'm fairly confident that it could do 5-2-3-2 @ 200mhz without failing if I upped the voltage - it will hold those timings under memtest and prime for quite some time before having an error.
Last night I let my 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix SP32M overnight with dual instances, because I have a 4400+ X2 Dual-Core. This was using 275*8=2200 for CPU (stock speed). HTT multi was set to 3 (875HTT effective). Vcore = Auto in BIOS. Vmem = 2.8v. 1.5v/1.8v for chipset and ldt (perhaps reversed order...can't remember...max at least).
HOWEVER ... one instance FAILED "not exact in round" at less than half finished (at around 1/4 ~1/3 iirc... accidently clicked "ok" button...damn stupid GUI), while the other gladly passed without any errors whatsoever. Does this mean that my RAM can push it at 3-3-3-8 1T @ 275 and that my X2 isn't even dual SPI32M stable at stock?
I'd love if anyone could help me out!
Check out attached pic! (Colors are off since I had to change it to 256 colors only.)
Don't wanna spoil the party, but trc at 13.. :stick: that is mighty slowQuote:
Originally Posted by pookeyhead
Nevertheless: Great results
Oh, just realized that you are running 754 Single Channel - well kinda hard to compare then
Crucials support system has, Live Chat, Email, and Phone. Also has a 30day money back guarantee, does _ _Z and Mushkin do that that.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
I like the phone support myself. And when you call you get to talk to Americans that speak English :)
Hi, got 2x1024 Corsair XMS C2 Twinx today, will post results later
Some early 2x1GB Corsair CMX1024-3200C2 v1.2 - Infineon BE-5 results @ 2.7v
Cpu-Z Validation : http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=33557
**Work in progress**
I think X2's have a tough time in general with SP32. Not sure what is going on there.Quote:
Originally Posted by slider99
Amen to that, our company is also a crucial reseller saved quite a bit on my 2x1GB sticks and love them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
Indeed... bought the Ballistix for the new PC I'll be building soon. Still.. gives you an idea.. sort of.Quote:
Originally Posted by van Basten
I noticed the data base hasnt been updated at all. WOuld like to see my Patriots up there at number 6 ;)
Nice! Care to post a A64tweaker screenie to flush out detail on the timings?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaspar
Huh? You think it's the X2 then? Would this issue be heat-related? (somewhere between 40 and 50c at load...it's xp90c and air...ihs is still on) Or would some more vcore do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
Would using a 6/7 CPU/MEM divider or something be easier on the X2?
A not so very important question: Would it count for the database?
Sure thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Truckchase!
One quick question: All the people that have the ballistix high FSB are all using DFI boards, will the MSI NEO4 PLAT SLi board do just aswell you think? THe board can do 2.85v, and thats what all the other people are doing to get these really great FSB scores.
Well if I can figure how to get a attachment to work lol its either too big or too blury to read but so far i'm at 230fsb 2.5 2 2 2 6 stable..
DB Updated. :)
Actually my set did better at 2.7v at 282 stable and 289 was max on DFI board. To get the 289 I did up to 2.9v but wasn't realistic to keep set at, also beyond that voltage it didn't helpQuote:
Originally Posted by newls1
Here are the OCZ PC4000 EL Gold 2x1gig at 275x10 3-4-4-8 1T @ 2.7v
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=33617
Here she is at 295 MHz HTT 1:1 with Ballistix Z503s 2x1GB.
Used 704-2 BIOS, strongest stick in furthest slot, Orange DIMM Slots, vDIMM= 2.93v.
In BIOS, all RAM settings set to optimized defaults, except Drive Strength set to 6, CPC forced ON.
Put trrd to 3, I wanna see what those can do! Could we have another 300MHz set here? :D
I'll do that and try and tweak some more and let superpi do its thing as I sleep.
Be back tomorrow morning with some new results, I hope.
My bandwidth is suffering tho, due to the low CPU speed. AFAIK, my CPU craps out (core0) at about 2620 MHz. ATM, I am getting about 6400 MB/S in Everest and Sandra. I would like to be able to bring that up to 7000 ideally.
I all honesty, I love my DFI board. It does have its quirks, but I love it b/c it can OC like mad! Go DFI!
Well, with my initial testing, one stick passes memtest at up to 305, whereas the other stick craps out around 296 or so.
I think I have reached the limit on this pair. I am quite happy with crucial tho. Great job making some excellent memory. DDR600 on 1 gig modules is outstanding!
1.64v you not worried about that CPU overvolts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lood007
Got these the other day.. Have been burning them in and trying many different settings
Highest oc was 3-4-4-8 2.8v @ 280 but that was unstable
Highest stable is 3-4-4-8 2.7 @ 265mhz
These sticks are so easy to work with its not funny.. They aswell dont like high volts which is always a welcome sign
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5...s2650ec.th.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8...32651nd.th.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7...t2658ub.th.jpg
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/4...rime1qe.th.jpg
Not with the watercooling, no. At 2 core load, CPU temp only reaches 45 degrees celcius, so nothing to worry about yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
I'm at 1.72v using water cooling, Exos2 at that ! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Lood007
At some point when increasing the Vcore the chip simply locks up or errors under test, I've tested up to 1.8v with my San Diego, Winchester, Toledo, and Manchester cores without harm. heck I think your safe at 1.7v with good air if your temps aren't too bad
Has anyone tried the 2Gb Ballistix kits at ddr200?
Do they run at lower timings like 2.5-3-3-7 at ddr200 ?
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Originally Posted by skipio
yes. they will run up to 225-230ish @ 2.5-3-3
Will they tell u what tref to use @ 300 fsb, or what drive strength to try ? or what bios out of the 20 available is the best? The OCZ - GSkill guys are here doing the exact same things we are doing. OC'ing the crap out of our systems. Most tech support rather its Email, Live chat or phone, will not tell u how to do this stuff. Maybe i'm wrong about Crucials tech support, I've never actually called them, but i dont think they'd be much help in the OC'ing department.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820221127Quote:
Originally Posted by AMD-me
This stuff looks nice. Anybody tried it? Its should be samsung UCCD
Good points, nugzo. But keep in mind that Micron/Crucial is a huge company that can easily survive without catering to the extreme overclocking community. Could OCZ and G.Skill? I was just taking a look at Micron's latest financial statement; $4.8 billion in sales over the last 12 months. They spend more than a half billion dollars each year on research and development. Micron has a huge customer base and of course makes other things besides memory. Although it would be nice to have a Crucial rep around, I think we represent a micro-percentage of Micron's customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
DB Updated. :)
Good point indeed and since I have a personal account rep for down here in South FL, I can tell you if end user/reseller needs support it is there in english in the USA. I know OCZ is also but G.Skill? I don't know much about them but I thought they were entirely out of the country as I couldn't find much support info. Given that most ram is lifetime warranty I'd like to know I can pickup the phone and get replacements very fast. Especially because my PC is also used for more than just one thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
It is kind of like Intel catering to overclockers and gamers, that is a very insignificant % of their revenue, just like Dell has 70-80% revenue in business, Intel's business revenue I would like to think is probably higher than that. Businesses don't do overclocking and other extreme things it is nonsense for them to do so. When I talked to our purchasing manager the other day I asked her about OCZ etc and she explained we only use major brands like Samsung, Micron, Kingston etc because that is what is tested for server boards etc.
My only major gripe about Crucial is their website which is a jumbled mess IMO. When I went to order my Ballistix online, I thought I had to go through the step-by-step process to determine motherboard compatibility, etc. Then it suddenly dawned on me that all I had to do was hit the Ballistix Memory tab near the top of the page and voila, the entire list of modules appeared.
You mean DDR400 right as in 200mhz bus?Quote:
Originally Posted by skipio
True that did get me at first too, but when I asked our rep about it they want to ensure compatibility and that's how they guarantee your money back if it isn't compatible. Not many places take back non-defective ram due to compatibility at least online places, and if they do there is most of the time a restocking fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Anyway, I'm certainly not complaining about the modules I got. No matter what stability test I throw at them, they perform like champs. Been running them at 290 with 2.8v (2.86v in BIOS) for daily usage and they don't seem to even break a sweat.
Yeah I'm not complaining either. These Tracers are awesome Modules!
I love these modules!
However, my X2 is a bum overclocker, especially for the cooling that I am running it on.
Time to ebay it soon and try my luck again!
The cycle continues...
I hope not :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
What settings work for one setup usly dont work for every ones setup. _ _ Z is OK I suppose, but I tend to shy away from their BIOS and setting recommendations, they usly dont work for me. I seem to be able to arrive at my own reasonably well. All I was trying to get across was _ _Z and Mushkin dont have the corner on the tech support market.
To me the best tech support is here in the forums, and comes from OCer's, not OCing mempeddler reps. :)
Warning! Gigaram=ScammersQuote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=387919
Not an honest company.
The Ballistix Z503 modules are 2.8V stock.. i don't think keeping them at 2.9 long term is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
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Originally Posted by skipio
Yes. I run my Ballistix at 220MHz at 2.5-2-2-5http://www.davidgregory.plus.com/ballistix-5.jpg
NinjaWreck, yes, thats what i mean DDR400 as in 200mhz bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaWreck
Does the OZC 2x1gb gold DDR500 use the same chips as Crucial Ballistix? Looking for a nice ram that will work in my ASUS A8N deluxe :rolleyes:
They use Samsung UCCDQuote:
Originally Posted by rodman
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=71842
pookeyhead Thanks for the answer! What voltage do you use for 220MHz@2.5-2-2-5? Do you use 2.8V or?
nugzo Thanks for the answer! What voltage do you use for 225-230ish@ 2.5-3-3?
Hey guys I know this sounds strange but recently I started retesting my CPU and RAM again due to some wierd things at 2.75 on a 4400+ 250 HTT so I lowered to 246 HTT 3-3-3-8 and had 1 error in test 4, with this ram testing OK at 282 and up to 289 with high volts I just don't get it, so I kept at 246 HTT and rechecked again the specs on crucial's site, 3-4-4-8 and 2.8v are the printed specs. Moved volts to 2.8 got 12 errors in memtest86, went to 2.7v got 4 errors during pass 1. Then just out of curiosity thinking it wouldn't work right I went to 2.5v! Ran 2 full passes no errors and 4 more passes of just test 4 where I had the error. Does this make any sense whatsoever?
yeah, makes sense, it's a heat issue most likely. I'm running my ran at 2.5 volts 0 errors.Quote:
Originally Posted by pentium777
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Originally Posted by skipio
2.6
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Originally Posted by fareastgq
He is using active cooling so i dont think its heat. Ive experienced strange things with balliastix and voltage. Ballistix reacts to voltages different than any other memory ive OC'd. :confused:
think of the chips like the new amd cores, majority just don't like high volts and heat scales up fast. Even on phase, you still see a rapid jump in temp on the 64 9nm cores and more volts don't net u more mhz.. prob the same thing going on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo