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Originally Posted by beta67
The UT250 from the bios doesn't have booting up issues...
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Originally Posted by beta67
The UT250 from the bios doesn't have booting up issues...
3.33 @ 1.58v with my new watercooling settup, this chip may still have some more to give.
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In all these CPU-Z screenies, I see that the 4000+ are SH8-E5 Revision chips. I thought the 4000+ moved to SH8-E6? Forgive my ignorance, but I thought the revision denoted the memory controller as well, so maybe I'm way off on this... Thanks for any input on this.
nope, newarks have always been SH-E5.. basically the s754 version of DH-E4 ;)
(something makes me think SH = single channel, DH = dual channel :p:)
Really? In a way, then I'm very happy to hear that. I always thought AMD realized the issue (finicky about timings and actual module size) with the E5 Memory controller, and wen't to E6 for the 4000+.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Thanks for the input Ozzi, and yes, I think you're right about the SH / DH thing, atleast it makes quite a bit of sense when you think about it.
hehe, yeah :D
also, a lot of the "finickiness" that the memory controller has ended up being MAL/RP related from what i could tell. just make sure you have optimal values for them, and you should be good to go. i found that the 6/23 bios from dfi really helped out on the dfi nf3-250gb board. not sure if there's a newer one because both my newark and dfi are long gone now, haven't checked. :(
My chip is Prime stable at 3.18 ghz, SP32M stable up to 3.22 ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by beta67
Looks like Newegg is out of the 4000+ Newark :eek:
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Originally Posted by ozzimark
I'm sorry, what are MAL/RP values? Is that an actual timing in the bios I can change, and if so what are some good values for stability? Thanks Ozzi. :)
still waiting here alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
i cant find any newarks available in europe
any imput would be great
max async latency and read preamble ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by cmay119
Is that all you can give her?Quote:
Originally Posted by metalman2785
Monarch's got 'em:Quote:
Originally Posted by metalman2785
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...&AFFIL=pg&NR=1
Does anyone want to buy my naked 3700+ Claw? :) I just bought a Raptor so I can't afford the Newark outright.
Thanks Ozzi. I know it's been a while since you've had this chip, but do you have any recommendations for those two timings? Although clocks are important to me, if I can get this thing to boot almost every time I'll be a very happy camper. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
I'll probably fiddle around with those settings tonight to see what seems to work best...
Thanks again. :)
hmm, it depends a lot on the fsb's your running.. i found that while i couldn't go tighter than the optimal setting, i couldn't boot up reliably too much looser either. maybe it's best to leave them on auto? i don't know :p:
Yah my Newark 3700 was a nice chip too, I got 3G on her before I cracked the core with 90C :(
Mine just didnt like these dam Patriot (supposedly ce-6) at all..
I tried just about every dam setting under the sun to no avail, so she had to go to make room for the current X2
but she was fun while she lasted
Yeah, I'm set at 10ns for MAL and 7ns for Read Preamble...Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
I set MAL to 15ns and RP to 10, and the board would refuse to post. So, I then cleared CMOS, and set the MAL to 10 and RP to 5. With this setting I couldn't get past the "Detecting RAID Screen" and finally set RP to 7 which is allowing the board to boot. I've had these values set for about 3 months prior to testing different settings. So far it seems like they are the most stable.
Thanks for the help. :)
usually around 6ns to 8ns will be optimal for MAL, with tighter being better for lower mhz..
RP, i haven't really found a good guideline for that, but 4.5ns - 6ns is a good range... more dependant on memory speed in my experience, but not always.
Hey Ozzi, just wanted to say thanks for the input about the MAL/RP timings. I've now set them to auto as they were just too sensitive of timings that one value off was the difference between stability and utter reboot/BSOD chaos.
I've now just set them to auto and the board seems to pick out really good values for it as stability is really good right now. Just wanted to thank you for the help, as I would've never known that those two timings were a large influence on my stability. :)
how much is the cheapest newark?
Although shentech is out of stock right now. They are offering the 3400+ Newark for $180.00 + s/h.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
Mobile AMD Athlon™ 64 ProcessorQuote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
For Full-Size Notebooks Price
4000+ $307
3700+ $243
3400+ $170
3200+ $159
3000+ $115
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...l?redir=CPT301
if you manage to spot a 3000+ newark.. ;)
but i think the 3400+ is still the lowest one that has newarks in it.
Hey guys, just recieved the TForce-6100 Board today, and I'm having trouble with my Newark. I can't get the Tforce to post with the newark however it will post with the E6 2800+ Sempron.
The newark is alive and well, becuase I plopped it right back into my DFI 250Gb and it booted up like a charm.
Are there any bios settings I should be aware of that could make this chippy not post? Thanks for any help guys. :)
EDIT: Alright, I just updated the bios on the 6100 to 2/07/06 bios from the shipped bios that was dated back in november of last year. Hopefully this will clear up the issue.
EDIT 2: Still no go. I've tried setting up the bios with the sempron for settings that would be more for what the newark would run, but I'm still not getting anywhere. No post beeps, just fans spin and LEDs on board light up...
EDIT 3: I notice in the BIOS that my Chipset or Northbridge voltage is at 1.13v-1.15v is that ample enough juice for this newark? What is it supposed to be running at again?
EDIT 4: Alright, I updated the BIOS to the latest one on the Taiwan site, and that allows my CPU to post.
One question for ya'll with this motherboard, can I run 1T Command Rate with 2x512 DIMMs on this motherboard? Thanks all.
An :off: question,Quote:
Originally Posted by cmay119
I too have been looking for a PCIE future home for this 4000+ Newark.
Has any newer strides been made to make the Epox 8NPA SLI more mobile friendly?
v7
I can run a 1T rate for 1M runs with my TCCD, but I need to use a 2T rate for 32M runs and 3D benching.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmay119
I was originally gonna use the Epox SLI board, but last I checked it is still not compatable with mobile chips :DQuote:
Originally Posted by vector7
You know I was going hit you with a PM as it looked as if you had all the moving parts coming together in your thread. Did you ever get a chance to boot it up?Quote:
Originally Posted by metalman2785
I sold the epox before I got my PCI-E card. I looked in a bunch of forums and found a thread in which that board would not work with a mobile chip. I am pretty sure the problem has to do with voltage, the epox uses a wierd voltage selection, it uses the startup voltage + up to .3v. So the Newark will have a startup voltage of 1.1v which means that there is basically no room for overclocking because it will max out at 1.4v.Quote:
Originally Posted by vector7
Metalman, What BIOS are you using? I'm using the cr51mb02.bst dated 12/13/05. This bios is compatible with the Newark, but I'm having restart problems. Everytime I restart the computer (except for when I F10 Exit the BIOS), the computer refuses to boot. I have to hard shut off the PC and then turn it back on from there. Anyone getting similar symptoms? Thanks all.
I've been looking at the Epox and these two...
DFI NF4X INFINITY vs TForce-6100 Board...which one?
Is there any other board not mentioned here or about to be released that can run Newark's with a PCIE/SLI setup?
I am using the Bios that came with the board. In my experience mobile chips have a tendancy to not like being restarted, especially when they are overclocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmay119
Don't get the infinity if you want to use an X-fi sound card, they are not compatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by vector7
I'm not a sound purest as some so I run an older SBlive X Gamer card. Have peeps found or heard of issues with older gear on the DFI NF4X INFINITY?Quote:
Originally Posted by metalman2785
The only problem I am aware of with the NF4x Infinity board is the incompatability with X-fi cards, other then that it should be pretty similar to the DFI NF3 except with a PCI-E. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by vector7
Thanks for the insight. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by metalman2785
Those are some smokin scores with the X1900 strapped in with the Newark 4000+. :toast:
What's your cards core and mem running while generating those respectable numbers?
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmay119
I can remember my Newark days, my Newark hated these 2X1024 dimms I have here, patriot pdp 3200LL, they would only run one stick at 1T and 2 sticks at ddr333
try to go in with diff ram and lower ram speed below 333 then see if shes a go..
Can you guys tell me what kind of performance you get on Unreal Tournament 2004? Like, I want to know what`s the LOWEST frame rate you see in AS-Convoy when you start the game for example. With an X700 Pro, 1GB Corsair RAM and Newcastle 3400+ 2.4 GHz all at stock speeds offline I would get minimum around 40 fps but it would go up from there to around 50 to 80 or almost 90 fps sometimes. Of course, in DM-Curse4, I would see 225 fps or whatever with settings at max offline and at 1280x1024.
I`d like to know what the performance is at 2.6 GHz, 2.8 GHz and 3.0 GHz.
Well, I just started overclocking tonight with this TForce-6100 and so far I'm VERY Impressed. Not with my actual CPU clocks (as I haven't tried to take it further than what I had on the DFI 250Gb), but with my Memory overclock. With the 250Gb Motherboard at a supposed 2.9v on the DRAM voltage, I couldn't get the memory stable in memtest at anywhere over 216MHz. So far with 2.9v on the Tf-6100, I have memory memtest86 4 Hours stable @ 225MHz 2-2-2-5 1T with a tRC of 10 and a tRFC of 12. With the 250Gb, test 5 would error out in the first pass with similar settings.
My question is now, if I set the jumper on this motherboard for 3.3v DRAM voltage, will my 90mm fan that's blowing on these sticks be enough to properly cool these sticks? The fan sits about 5 inches above the sticks. Also, am I or am I not going to have to increase my +3.3v rail to have a stable 3.3v DRAM voltage? Thanks all. :)
yeah, a fan should due, i knwo heatspreaders sometimes cause heat, but be careful
3.3 v should be fine
Yeah, I got one of the earlier versions of the GH sticks, so they came naked w/out heatspreaders. Alright, I'll probably mess with the 3.3v Jumper tommorow. Thanks for the help. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by join nbk
Just in case you think the tforce is htt limited, try only a single stick in dimm1. With 2x256mb I hit a wall at 285mhz, with a single stick at 311 and now with a different single 512mb stick 350. The board doesnt like my utt and my mushkin lvl1 with old ch5 :/ I cant get it stable past 250htt with them. Hopefully they can fi the ram issues with a new bios soon.
Also be aware that with the 3.3v jumper there is nothing inbetween 2.9v and 3.3v.
And you should have a fan blowing at the nb and sb as they get pretty hot, even at idle. I have a 120mm fan blowing at the ram, nb and sb. Works great.
Thanks for the tip, I've only got one 90mm fan blowing directly on the ram. How hot can those temps get before it gets critical? On the NB and SB I mean. Also, although I don't have active cooling on either of those, they are probably getting a nice run off breeze from the 2x80mm fans coming in the front. Would that be sufficient or no? Thanks. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr3ak
I have no idea about temps. I used my fingers to determine whether they are hot or not ;)
Without a fan they got that hot, that I couldnt touch it for long and with the fan they stay cool all the time. I am using a 1500rpm (at12v) fan at 7v. It doesnt move much air at 7v, just a little bit, but thats already enough. I read about people getting a higher HTT with active cooling on nb and sb, so it might be necessary to hit high htts.
I also put AS5 on the nb and sb right after I got it. Dunno if it was usefull, but the tim they used wasnt covering the whole sb..
does the mobile athlon64 4000+ work on the k8n neo platinum 7030?
my 3700+ worked in that board, i'd expect the 4000+ to also. i used bios 1.6 at the time :toast:
I tried the 4000+ on my k8n neo platinum and it worked for a minute and then it just kept locking up. It keeps beeping over and over and the diag led 3 is only green. I have ordered a DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250Gb mb. I hope this solves my problem :)
which bios?
i tried 1.6, 1.7, and 2.1
which bios do you guys use on the dfi 250gb ut board?
Use either the 5/04/05 or the 6/23/05 BIOS. 6/23 played a little nicer with the my newark, but your results may vary. If you get a 250Gb from any online vendor, you're more than likely going to recieve the board with the 5/04 Bios now.Quote:
Originally Posted by jznomoney
i definitly had much more luck with the 6/23 bios as well :toast:
This is a BIOS bug. I mailed to Epox support and they sent me a new BIOS (83js6222.bin, 2006-02-22) which solves the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmay119
Does anyone can confirm that the Turions will run on the Epox 8NPA SLI?
if i remember right the 754s cant handle 2 gigs of mem over 230 fsb... u ahve to put em on a divider.... something with the memory controller.. my 2 cents... im wanting a newark thats how i came apon this thread....
depends on the specific chip really.. my clawhammer can't go over 230mhz, even with 2x512mb :nono: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesBong420
side note, nice bump. gotta love s754's life :D
My 3400 Newark ran my good 2GB set of OCZ PC3200 at 250FSB until one of the sticks died... :(
Like ozzimark said, depends on the chip.
Hey all, thanks for the great info in this thread. I was lurking around and was wondering if the AMD Athlon 64 3700+ Mobile AMN3700BKX5BU Socket 754 chip will work on the Chaintech VNF-250 motherboard.
Thanks!
with the right bios, i do believe it will.. probably any bios newer than last may :p:
Thanks for the response. I just received the chip today and popped it in. It posted detecting the mobile 3700 and then crashed loading up windows, which it probably should since I didn't adjust any settings and it didn't have cooler. Just wanted to make sure it works. Sweet! Still waiting on the cooler. Ordered a Zalman CNPS7000-CU. Running a 3200+ right now and hopefully will see a little bit of a speed increase.
nice :D
be sure to bend the little hold-down bar some to apply extra force, the zalman is meant for lidded cpus :(
I have two questions:
1. Where can I buy a 3700+ or 4000+ Mobile; I see that Atomizer just purchased one.
2. I thought both of these chips were lidless hence the need for a H like the Zalman mentioned as opposed to an XP120 for example.
thanks!
DC
I dunno if he still has any. last time we talked he told me school was first in his agenda...
Vandi423 used to have em from here, shoot him a pm and you can find out..
I found a 4000+ for 380 shipped but Ithink it was supposed to be listed at 330$
I also found a 3700+ for 200$.....I just want to hit 3gHz and it sounds like the 3700+ can do it and it's way cheaper...
DC