Burn-in is voodoo anyways. Just pick a method, and if doesn't work, try another one. :p:
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Burn-in is voodoo anyways. Just pick a method, and if doesn't work, try another one. :p:
best I've heard is to run the highest stable with stock volts. Well not stable, but stable enough to prime for 10 min or so, but no more. Then run some program that won't quit when it gets an error (not 3dmark01 or something cause often for me, that'll just cause me to bsod or my comp will reboot). Run that for a couple hours or more, see if it improves by running prime and see how long it lasts, if it does up your htt by a few mhz and leave the voltage the same.
I wouldn't recommend this in ur case since it's running so hot, you must have bad contact or ur just putting too much faith in the onboard sensor. But you could up the voltage, say 1.65, and just basically do the same thing. Only imo, this would work better, it'll net you a higher overall overclock faster I would think.
Yeah, I've been doing mostly the stock volts. I just hate it when it hangs at 70c. Using prime and that sp2004, they seem to run 50/50. Also using cpu burn-in. I've done a few hours at 1.65 volts @ 1000mhz according to what else I've read about "high volts + lowest mhz."
I know I should be doing this with a better HS but I'm willing to take the risk. My overall temp has lowered since installation last night (probably the paste settling). It's lowered from it's stock idle of 62c to 54c. No matter what, even at low volts, 1000mhz it with a large fan blowing on an open case it still runs 54c idle. It seems that the stock paste was really thin compared to other box purchases I made. I'm going to try high volts again ~1.675. Do you sugguest that at overclock speeds or the underclock I've read earlier? So far mine seems Prime and sp2004 stable less then 2600mhz at 2650 it comes up error in a few seconds. I can even idle and run at 2775 but it will restart with those apps.
I havn't heard of high volts, low speed. I'd try with just above ur max stable at high volts. And I wouldn't worry about temps, I don't think it's getting in the 70's, thats probably just ur onboard sensor guessing what the temp is.
thanks for the quick response. I'm only using the Abit AV8 Bios temps and the GURU application temps fromt the motherboard. I know my Winchester 3200 ran 42c idle and 56c throttled with this board. So I don't know if those were right either. Is there an aftermarket sensor that is more accurate than these motherboards?
Well, this is an edit:
I'll think I'll hold off on the high volts until I probably get than Zalman 7000 HS. The temps jumped to 82c with 1.65v at 2630. My Guru had had a Redline on it at that point (set my bios to cut off the computer at 83c). My curiousity is killing me but I'm too chicken with this reading now. Curses!
am i the unlucky one? mine says..ada3500dep4as caaxc 0432MPMW y931354b50061
Have you run it yet? How does it do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trunkz
well i idle 30 - 32c @ default (2.2GHz)..36-38c on load (playing music or watching movies), and i haven't really overclocked it cuz i only have the stock HSF at the moment, but i did order this... Thermaltake SilentTower 4 in 1 CPU Cooler for Intel P4 478 & Socket T, AMD K7 & K8, with Heatpipe Cooling, Model "CL-P0025" -RETAIL http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...106-043&depa=0Quote:
Originally Posted by serlv
The reason I ask is I got the exact same stepping, week and 5 letter code. I was so diasappointed when I opened the outer package; never did open the inner ( PIB ) package.
Just figured a 050x CAA2C was more what I was looking for. I asked for and received an RMA# and sent it back on Friday.
Now watch, this one will scream like a cat with its' tail on fire. :)
Why not even try and see how it does?
i consider that too much..since i am impatient at that..but it does suck i didnt get the CAA2C..instead a dorn CAAXC...but ill do some testing on it when my new HSF gets here.Quote:
Originally Posted by serlv
I considered it. Then thought about it some more, and figured there is no guarantees, but I'd like to give myself the best chance at a high clocking chip. Figured that would be with a CAA2C.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
how hot do these chips " clawhammers " as they are called run
on stock settings?
idle, and load?
mine wasn't that hot at all..didn't go above 55 under any circumstances with my XP-120, I'll do more test when I get my RAM from RMA and report the results..
btw 55C was at about 1.66 volts and 2.8ghz or so..
if it's really average of 80c, wave goodbye to that processor lol.
my caazc
not bad, got my target of 3ghz everyday stable I was aiming for @ only 1.69v, albeit barely :rolleyes:
Guess it will hold me till the venice 4200 or the deigo fx-57 comes out
ON a side note, damn this thing runs hot, I hit positive temps on my prommie for the first time ever.
And ya, my superpi sucks, my friggin memory won't go to 273mhz and the memory controller on the chip hates 300mhz which would get me a nice 26xmhz 2-2-2-5 so I'm stuck with bh-5 @ 230mhz....figures....
suicide
http://images.dr3vil.com/uploads/cpu-3102.JPG
superpi
http://images.dr3vil.com/uploads/superpi.JPG
everyday is 3ghz 1.69v
3d stable too
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3883779
Did you mean CAA2C, or what you said, xxxZC?Quote:
Originally Posted by computerpro3
Nice overall speed!
Yes, there is two of those "new" ClawhammersQuote:
Originally Posted by serlv
CAAZA 0442MPMW
CAA2C 0506BPMW
:D
Did you get it from Newegg or Zipzoomfly? I'm thinking about picking up one of these, but until I hear results from this stepping, I'd prefer to try to find a place that is still stocking the CAA2C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trunkz
Thanks,
CJ
I got a CAA2C from ZZF
how are teh CAAZC PERFORMING?
Got a CAAZC 0502 from Newegg and it hitting a wall at 2.65ghz with an XP120 and Panaflow 120mm. Can hit 2.7ghz but would not go into XP no matter what volt, i gotta get me a w/c for this summer.
Thanks guys!
Sauria- how long ago did you purchase yours? Has anyone purchased one within the last week from ZZF?
TIA,
CJ
*raises hand*
Mine is a caa2 from a local shop. Will do 2.750 on stock cooling but apps sometimes don't pull up. Becomes xp stable at 2630 and lower prime and sp2004 stable at 2570 and lower. Mine heating issue has been partially fixed. found out "Cool and Quiet" was limiting my fan. stock cooling now shows 50c and 75c under load. Also read that av8's have misreadings on the temps. Should I get the zalman 7000 hs or the xp-90?
I got it about 4 weeks ago now
got mine about 3 weeks ago at http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=11598 now. Hoping to get higher but im a newb :)
Here is the result of my 3500+CAA2C 0504GPMW in a common Prometeia Mach2 (mod by Ricky..of course :p: ) :
I used this CPU as backup, when my FX-55 is at Ricky's cascade for benching ..so not bad OC for a backup CPU ;)
Fuly benchable and 100% stable :)
http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/A643500_3200.jpg
For the screen - cpu core at 1.9v
http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/A643500_3438.jpg
In terms of ratio price / performance its one of the best CPU I ever own - cost me less than 240€ :cool:
Please remember that in the Mach2 at 1.9v the CPU is at -15ºC idlle and goes uo 8ºC postive temp in full load - measured with Speedfan
At 1.9v produced almost the same heat of the FX-55 with same vcore (altought a bit less)..
This CPU in the Ricky's cascade (where I'm almost sure this CPU temp will newer went down of -90ºC even at full load at 1.9v) will get some interessing results :D
In our next benching session I will take it along with my FX-55 and let you know the results :D
Pedro how well did you 3500+ do on air/water before mach2 ?
yeah that is nice. I was hoping I'd get 3200mhz 24/7 stable, if mines anything like urs I should beable to. Shame I've had it for probably a month and have only had a chance to run it for maybe an hour lol.
I got a 3500+ (not for me unfortunately :( ) with the following code on it.
ADA3500DEP4AS
CAA2C 0504GPMW
1204404B50126.
I saw on other sites that this could be an clawhammer.
is it?? and is it better than a winchester core (which i ordered).
I'm not able to put test it because i dont have all the parts for the comp.
does anyone know if this is a whinchester or a clawhammer?
the last two letters of DEP4AS, the "AS", say clawhammer. the stepping information in cpu-z et. al. confirms this as well(SH7-CG). It's a clawhammer with half the cache either disabled, or not functional. CPU-Z says newcastle becasue of the L2 cache.
thanx for the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
do you know if it just better, worse or just as good is as a whinchester core?
Well, thge FX-55 is a clawhammer, and not a winchester, so i would assume better. higher FSB and meme control with the Clawhammer...seems to handle voltage a bit better as well, although reading through this thread would give you more info than i can provide. My clawhammer is better than my newcastle and palermo Sempron, but of course each chip is going to perform a bit different at extremes.
I'm completely happy with mine, won't be moving to venice anytime soon.
http://img91.echo.cx/img91/1039/28edit9na.th.jpg
bravoman10001: the clawhammer should be better than the winchester since it's based on the same core as the FX55, and as u can see in this thread many people were able to get crazy overclocks with it..
Finnaly someone passed my 3405Mhzs SS :D Well here's a new one: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=11789 =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro Rocha
With the current ambient temperatura cant get more (22ºc +-) All this on a modded r404a Mach I.
That's out of control my friend! :slapass: :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by [_Silence_]
Ok with my stepping...In sig. Im stuck at around 2500MHZ with boxed cooler. Is this normal or should I be getting more?
Also Should I grab a XP90C in a few weeks and a few new fans, Or Spring for water ooling in like 2 months?
CAA2C 0505DPMW running under stock HSF and AS5
sitting pretty at 2640mhz (240x11) with 1.52vcore (closest i can come to stock on the DFI NF4 and Fortron 500w blue storm)
Prime small FFT stable for 14hrs
idle temp: 43C
Prime temp: 60-63C
:banana: pretty freakin happy with this chip on the stock cooler for $260. Gotta figure out some problem with my mushkin BH-5 and prime (wont run blend at all :stick: ) and get a xp120/xp90c before she gets pushed any further!
Magnj: unless u get a good water cooling system the performance u get will be the same as the XP-120, but the water cooling will be quieter..
Hey, with this clawhammer i'm guessing theres no problem running 4 mem sticks on dual 1t. Would it be better running 4x 256, or 2x 512?
Sonic- I'll be going off to college in the fall, and i think the dorm rooms will get quite hot. I think I might go with water just to give me a bit of an edge on that heat, and let the case fans move heat produced from the ram and my VGA. Plus it will lok sweet :)
Not sure about that, 2x512 will definatly overclock betterQuote:
Originally Posted by winston64
good idea :), I plan on moving on to watercooling too as soon a I can afford it..Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnj
were da hell did you those CPU-Z 1.28.2, with ClawHammer Code Name on 3500+ CAA2C, i can´t find it on CPU-Z web page :confused:
What?
Hey! Here in Sweden it's a 25 % VAT on anything from anywhere. Period. :yawn2:Quote:
Originally Posted by snowice
PLease find it here:Quote:
Originally Posted by sl4ck
click!
the version that you download on the cpu-z site is 1.28.3
Has anybody purchased an ADA3500ASBOX from newegg in the last few days? Today is Wednesday 4/13... :)
What stepping/week are they shipping?
Thanks,
Scott
Well, I fixed my high temp thing. As the previous person said he doubt my temps were hitting 80c, he was right. Thanks. Abit Av8 has a severe problem with the temp readings. I found this out through the abit forums. I had to reflash my bios several times with an older version to get it to run more accurately. Now my temps seem just slightly low for a 3500 but not more than 2 or 3c low. My average idle at stock 2240mhz is ~35c and load is 44c. Its about the same with my system overclocked at 2600mhz. I just order a complete new overhaul on my system cooling. Ordered a CoolerMaster Cavalier from svc for $50 along with an Thermalright XP-90 and a Zalman 700Cu VGA cooler for my 6800gt. I'm really curious to see how low my system runs after all this. I'll report back with my oc'ing abilities with this stuff next week.
well, They do overclock well :woot:
Ada3500dep4as Caa2C 0507GPMW
and yes, cooled with a stock Vapochill LS..
how stable, and what're your temps? 1.9v seems kinda high. What're you running it at for 24/7 use? Maybe some burning in would give you 3200mhz with a little less voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by hag6br
Hold up.. It has only been running for 12 hours :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
I am still playing with it.. that is the Max it wil boot into windows at and I still have a lot of tweaking to do on it.
Vapo chamber temp is -43C and cannot tell cpu temp as none of them are reading temps right.. one reads 123C and another reads -10C :cool:
Clawhammers have always like High Vcore voltages.
haha, sorry to jump the gun there. And yeah 1.9v is safe, not sure what people suggest as 24/7 voltage being safe tho. I wouldn't worry about using 1.9v 24/7 even, it just dosn't give you alot of breathing room to go higher is all.
Anyways, let us know what you get out of it :) GL
Just recieved my 3500+ ClawHammer hopefuly I will reach 2.7-2.8 stable with
it. I will test it in the days to come, I will post results. I will start with stock
cooling and finish with water cooling (swiftech 6002-64). Lucky me it was a
CAA2C :banana: Anyone having a CAA2C 0509 FPMW. Any good, I won't
be able to play with it untill tuesday!! :eek: It should be better than my CBBID. :D
Someone that is helping me OCing, directed me toward that thread.
http://forums.amd.com/index.php?show...0&#entry398825
If only it was one of those failed FX...same stepping! woooWOOOO :banana:
Is there a confirmed relation between steppings or is it always luck of the draw?
I had an FX-55 that was that stepping Kosmic71 that wouldn't do over 2756 MHz
Luck of the draw. My CAA2C won't go above 2.65ghz no matter what voltage.
Got a 3500ASBOX, ordered 04/14, arrived from newegg today 04/18.
ADA3500DEP4AS CAAXC 0432MPMW ......looks like an older 4000 core.
I was hoping for one of the newer CAA2C chips. Don't know about this one. It may clock well but I'm not getting my hopes up. If you're expecting the CAA2C with a late week code from newegg - maybe not. Looks like I either got a stray or they have run out of the late week code CAA2C chips.
hmm X is new. we have so far seen 2 and Z. let us know how that goes
So, even if u've got the same stepping and same date of a kick a$$ CPU,
there is no guarantee of a good OC. It only tells you that the odds is on your
side.......right?
because there's no point of posting our steppings and dates then if there's no
advantages (looking for a particular stepping).
Kosmic71....First part, right. Second part...I don't quite know how to address.
Steppings and week codes are important in determinig potential.
Almost all chips manufactured with the same (identical) code have very near the same potential. Whether or not you can achieve a particular speed, is dependant on many things but it's always best to have a good core in your hands to start with.
As far as the CAAXC chip, I'm not too optomistic. The earlier DEP4AS chips were not particularly good clockers. (Check the available data)
We'll see... I should have it up and tested in a week or so.
2 people have the smae stepping as me. On got stuck at like 2.55 if i recall and the other was nearing 2.7 So idk
Because it is a Clawhammer with a crippled L2 cache. They are overclocking monsters. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ackbar
DFI nF4 Ultra-D
CAA2C 0506BPMW :stick:
2*256 KHX3500 BH5
CO2
http://koti.mbnet.fi/dani69/DFI%20nF...0Validator.gif
CPU-Z 1.28.3 reads it as a ClawHammer.
damn wish i could afford to PhaseChange this thing.
What are you guys getting with water?
I'm on water. 2 120mm D-Tek Pro Rads in series with YS Tech 120x38mm 125CFM fans on a Eheim 1250. I get roughly 85F idle, 88-90F load@75F ambient temps. And my chip hits the wall at 2.6ghz.
wow thats good temps. I guess I should look into that huuuuuh. although i don't kknow if its worth 275$ to get 100+ MHZ
Well got my second 3500+ Clawhammer in; the first was a
ADA3500DEP4AS CAAXC 0432MPMW. I didn't even want to mess with that and sent it back, unopened.
The one that came in today was ordered from Newegg on 4-13, shipped out of Edison, NJ. After reading of what joe111 got from newegg on 4-18 I was like "oh no, not again!", but it wasn't one of those.
It is a CAA2C 0508APMW. That is a trip, arrived one day apart.
At any rate, hopefully this week of production was a good one. I'll know soon enough. Gonna put it in an Epox 9NDA3+.
I'm thinking of getting one of these chips since it doesn't look like the Venice cores won't be coming out for another two weeks and my SLI system is sitting on my desk without a CPU. Does anybody know if ZZF is still selling CAA2C chips? Also I noticed that Monarch Computer is selling AS chips, has anybody ordered from there? If I don't see any Venice's by the end of the week (and it looks like I won't) then I'm going to get one of these, just haven't figured out where to order from yet.
Hey, I'm ordering one of these clawhammer soon if venice doesnt comeout first. I'm planning on getting new memory and dunno whether I should get the OCZ Platinum 3200 Rev. 2 or the Gskill 4400 LC or LD because the LE are out of stock at the egg. Any suggestions? I'm looking for the best OCer, im getting a phase change in a couple months
Edit: Or would it be better to go for 4x 256 GSkill LEs :stick:
just wait for the venice and the LE's, u won't regret it..Quote:
Originally Posted by winston64
God only knows what is selling where on any given day. The chip I returned, the CAAXC 0432XPMW was from ZZF, but they easily could have something else now. Seems like you can get one stepping one day, then a totally different one and even month or year of production, the next!Quote:
Originally Posted by Enigma422
Even going with what one person gets from a place; by the time one acts on that info, it is old and maybe no longer valid.
Not what I wanted to hear :(. Seems like most of you guys ordered your chips from either Newegg or ZZF. Has anybody ordered from Monarch Computer? I guess now the question would be which store would give me the best chance of getting a CAA2C.Quote:
Originally Posted by serlv
The best thing to do guys to get a CAA2C is to go to youre local computer shop. I went to one and asked the guy to bring me all his 3500+ and he had like 10 CAA2C in stock. And I picked the one I wanted.
Mcklain
Amazingly alot of computer store personell wont let you do this but I found it is easier to talk to the head manager to get them to do what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcklain
Well, got some early results from my CAA2C 0508APMW and it is looking pretty nice so far. This was on air and no I haven't done full stability testing yet. Just trying different settings and combos.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=29071&stc=1
wow! stock air?
Noooo. :) Using a Thermalright XP-90C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnj
But I'd like to get it on my Mach II as soon as I figure out what I'm doing wrong with the current system its' on. I'm way new at phasechange and the NF2 system that the Prommie is on will "freeze up" ( no pun intended ) after a length of time. Somewhere between 10 minutes and 2-3 hours. I just lose functionality in Windows after a period of time. Doesn't matter what speed I'm running it at, it eventually happens.
servl what's your highest stable clock? I was hoping my CAA2C 0504 MPMW would be able to do 2.7 prime stable but it looks like it can't :( I tried giving it up to 1.65 volts but that didn't help, and anything above that would be too hot for my XP-120 since It's already reaching 60C load with the following stable settings..
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=29082&stc=1
I wouldn't trust that 60c load with an xp-120, ur mobo could just be lying.
It ran SuperPi 32M at 310x9 @ 1.58 VCore. It wouldn't finish at 313...Quote:
Originally Posted by S0nic
Haven't run Prime95 yet.
but my idle temps are 40-41, if the mobo is lying then that would mean they're lower which is not very likely..Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
that's pretty good, mine would fail SuperPi 2M for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by serlv
btw how exactly did you set ur temps in the BIOS? I think that makes a lot of difference, also what are your LDT and Chipset voltages?
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=13375
I'm going to switch the BH-5 back in and figure out how to jack up the VDimm. I do not like the timings of the TCCD as much.
I'm using an NF3 board, the Epox 9NDA3+. What do you mean by "set up your temps"? I don't follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by S0nic
The LDT was 3, the chipset voltage was 1.65.
I'm changing things around now. Lowered everything and gonna shut it down and put in BH-5.
before you do that read this post which I wrote about 10 mins ago..Quote:
Originally Posted by serlv
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...132#post826132
I mean cpu voltage, startup, and special VID in the BIOS, I'm not sure if ur mobo has that though, btw for LDT do u mean 1.3?Quote:
Originally Posted by serlv
Your probably right, but my dfi would completely make up the temps. Idle I'd be 40 or so, and load I'd be 60. And I know that was complete bs, because it would determine the temp by the cpu usage lol. I swear there is no temp probe on that board it's all software. I could be idling one second and be 42c then I start prime95 and immediatly, the second I start, I'm 61c :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by S0nic
I just got a new Ultra D the load temps with the same voltage and speed as my Neo2 is 10-12c different. The MSI would read 52c load. The DFI with the same chip reads 65c.
Idle was
32 ish for MSI
42 ish for DFI
2600mhz 1.6v with a XP120.
DFI temps are bunk for sure.
:banana::banana::banana::banana:. So even when using Guardian...temps are bogus? I guess its time to go buy a digital Thermo at Radio shack
Has anyone with the CAAXC proc's tried overclocking yet?
If so, how far were you able to go?
Pointhore, did you get a CAAXC chip? If you did where did you order from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointhore
I know that the best chance of getting a CAA2C is to go to your computer store, but only computer store close to me is CompUSA and they don't even carry Clawhammer 3500s.
Alright I just tried giving my cpu up to 1.73 volts and still can't get it stable at 2700, highest stable clock for me so far is 2566 @ 1.52 volts...so it looks like the chip has a good mem controller but maxes out about 2.57-2.6, can't wait for San Diego..
Yo guys, I started testing my CAA2C 0509 FPMW.
I didn't go far yet.
Results FSB MAX @ AMD HSF.
1. RAM divider to get max FSB. (100 2.5-3-3-7 2.8v 1T)
2. Set multi to 9.
3. Must complete SuperPi 1M and Prime95 10 minutes.
285 x 9 @ 1.2 x 126% (1.456v CPUz) Vchip 1.5v LTD 1.2v
290 x 9 @ 1.4 x 110% (1.488v CPUz) Vchip 1.5v LTD 1.2v
I'm stuck there (295), went up to 1.275 x 126% (1.552v CPUz) but it can't
run Prime95. Things are getting hot with that voltage and AMD HSF.
I will try more voltage tonight, if it fails again, I will switch to multi 10x
Someone suggested to me to use bios 414-3, I will do it once testing multi 10x
and 11x are completed.
Should finish my external water box for next week, so its AMD HSF for now.
may i ask why you are increasing VCore through percentages rather than just the normal interface. is that better?
My CAA2C 0506BPMW can do 24h StressPrime @ 2605MHz 1.45V :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kosmic71
~2h @ 2650MHz 1.45V
All this with stock boxed crappy cooler
Ok, with VapoLS over 3GHz SterssPrime :D
Here some Vapochill LS benchies :D
CAA2C 0505 APMW
http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/A64_35..._superPI8M.JPG
http://www.xs4all.nl/~famchow/A64_35...MHz_pifast.JPG