technically you are right, monday is over, but some of the NDA's ive signed usually have a time AND date so it would say:
Monday February 28th 2005 @ 9:00 AM EST
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technically you are right, monday is over, but some of the NDA's ive signed usually have a time AND date so it would say:
Monday February 28th 2005 @ 9:00 AM EST
Awesome, good work in getting the pics twilius
Very good work to those who came up with loads of pics!
Brilliant work, very nice pics :)
This kind of event has to be done more frequently, there's on the list Nvidia... AMD.. and why not Intel :) They have to know by now, supporting the enthusiasts community its very important these days...
PM himQuote:
Originally Posted by mr_knowitall15
30 min from NDA???? its 8:31 EST
It wasn't pics, it was a short video that I got of Macci juggling the Sapphire/ATi LED bounce balls, with my poor little Nikon 3.2mp ;) I will have to mess with it after school, it is in .MOV format, anyone know a good way to compress that? To DivX or something..... I've never messed with video editing before.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingHamster
So how did you manage to make it past the water on that surf map? :D
Depends on the unit. However, the thing that really caught my eye was PC ICE's Autocascade. It's only single-stage (like Vapo/Prommy), but it gets almost dry ice temps, and it looks so tight :cool: Plus, PC ICE said he could probably build them for $500 :eek: Damn near HALF a VapoLS, and so much colder.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_knowitall15
http://photobucket.com/albums/v223/t...th_TXGF011.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v223/t...th_TXGF012.jpg
He built that one in just a few days, threw it together for the event, so it's not even fully tweaked. And he said with that hose insulated it would be at -85C, and probably something like -70C under load or thereabouts. All for only $500...... man I want one :D
yes, PC ICE's black box was indeed a work of art. the guy is amazing :slobber:
/OT
u have to hold down crouch+jump and u skim over the water :D
Tech-Report's Coverage is up :cool:
oh no... no new records :(
Auto cascade for $500 :cool:
what no new records ????
Wow, for $500 I'd DEFINITELY order one..
Me too, PC ICe hurry up and get back so you can start building these for ushttp://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ons/icon10.gif
wow I had no idea they were that inexpensive, PC ICE should mass produce these beasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
*edited* im an idiot.
It was PC ICE's unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by vapb400
so there wasn't any r520 there :rolleyes: :mad: :stick:
oops, meant PC ICE.Quote:
Originally Posted by twilius_basic
man for $500 id be all over that casecade in a second, can those run 24/7? (dont think so but may as well ask) what kind of noise does it make?
Looked like a lot of fun with the ln2, was that huge tank a dewar or was it pressurized? Nice to finally see some pictures of the overclocking guru's.
also, I think you should discuss prices in private messages.
that's it. next year, I'm going to this competition!
If this gets made an anual thing, I'm going to have to find a way there.
jjcom
Chilly was talking about having one in vegas.
Would be good time with some great overclocking and send out invites to overclockers everywhere. Might be a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: though for non-us peeps :(
There could be seperate hardware and cooling classes....air water DI cascade... Bring your own hardware and cooling for your class and if you blow something up, your done :P just like in racing. Maybe charge an admission fee or something. Man I wonder what the power usage was for the whole weekend at that place LOL....$$$$$
yeah, that'd be great. Just have it at Chilly1/Kazoo's place...they'd have to get the house ready tho...9gage wire used through out the house, 30amp breakers on each outlit...lol...they'd have to charge an admission fee....just think of the power bill....:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
jjcom
Hey guys, back home again and I am not sure who got the highest 2K5.
I was able to hold -121c (fully loaded) on my tripple cascade and my first time with a FX 55 and I pushed it to 3.7Ghz. I didn't know it didn't have a 19x or 20x multiple and was trying to boot to 3.8/4Ghz. No problems booting at 3.6Ghz and going up from there. I kept plugging at 19x and all sorts of voltages.
I fried one motherboard and one video card. I was was trying to get a run off at 900Mhz core (875Mhz was not enough and 900Mhz said hello) The card was fixed and still works now. The motheboard did not want to fire up with a PCIe card installed but fired up on onboard video. When I removing the protective ring, whoops slipped and popped off a micro capacitor from the GPU. The ATI engineer on hand was highly skilled and repaired my card in a few mintues.
I had little trouble on day one with the cascade and felt confident enough to make the LN2 step for day two. I took the CPU and GPU down to -190c and film crews came. I sat at idle in BIOS for the entire filming and my machine would not reboot after I froze the caps. I felt it was better to shut down and dry out and not put anything in harms way.
Needless to say, this was a good experiance for us all and the exhibition went great. Just meeting macci made it all worth it. All of us did have a chance to all get together for a nice dinner together on ATI.
Thanks ATI for having us along.
This was more of an exhibition than a competition, we all helped each other to make sure each of us put on a good show.
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I was not clapping hands, I was mixing Nanotherm PCM and warming it up :D
glad to hear you all had fun. thanks for the pics everyone :D one question: was there anything along the lines of r520 mentioned?
Congrats FUGGER, from all reports it was a massive success :toast:
haha about 19x multiplier :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
875mhz core! :eek:
that ATI engineer must of been running around alot :D
ATI was kind enough to have two engineers on hand to confirm and fix any problems that popped up. Yes they were quite busy and one of them scored the highest 2K5 over us by about 400points on Oppainters rig.
No sighting of the R520 or mention of specs.
Deffinatly! If not by ATI than someone else!Quote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
An Overclocking Series/Competition would be great.
Like me k|ngp|n mentioned there could be classes... like in Drag Racing.
Air Cooled A64, Water A64, Phase A64... yada yada... an AMD Open Class, Intel Open Class and just plain ole' crazy Open Class.
Have a round once every two months or something :)
Maybe it could be online as well as at Local events... guys (whether from a sponsored event OR from another country in their own homes) just have to post their results between a certain narrow timeframe once a month or whatever...
Top placers of each bracket in that month gain a certain amount of championship points... then at the end of the Series/Year prizes are awarded to the Winner of each bracket.
This is a real rough draft, but if enough guys are into it I am DAMN sure we could get some big sponsors... it would make overclocking a lot more popular when there is organised competition and a set target.
Anyone think this is a good idea?
lmao! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
I really like the online thing. Maybe that every month and a group gathering every 6 months or a year or something?
I'm in SC, and I would love to be a part of a series or multiple events. The online thing would be cool, but it would be nice to meet you guys in person.
Someone really needs to think about this, it would be great.
Definatly! anything around ohio, I could do :up: The online sounds great too! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost_Bite
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ic/TXGF075.jpg
i was wandering wht kind of vmod Macci did on this vga..... there are 5 variable pot: Vcore, Vdd, Vddq and the ather 2?
I have another question:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ic/TXGF065.jpg
What is that LCD display put on the pci slot?
Thanks
LOL... you probably got a few ATI employees hooked onto the oc'ing bug :DQuote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
I even think it would be cool to have "regions" and then maybe once a year have a big gathering.
I know that I don't know anyone around that's into OC'ing and benching, so for me it would be cool to even meet some fellow OC'ers. I'm not a big gamer, but I enjoy talking computers and such.
get together with OCAU forums + VRZONE forums + XS.ORG and you'll have Asian-Oceanic/USA mass gathering :D
At the same time AMD release FX6_... ;) Thats a cool idea eva...and dont forget the Northern folks.... :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Its a system diagnostic tester, the readout tells you problems, etc. Example: Say your RAM died it'll display a certain # or code and you look in the instruction booklet to see what the code means.Quote:
Originally Posted by giorgioprimo
1st question - the 2 left should be ovp and the other one...dunno lol maybe a 2phase squeme controlling some part of the card (voltage i mean)...Quote:
Originally Posted by giorgioprimo
2nd question - maybe an hdd controller ?
Incorrect and incorrect. You"re not doing very good tonight.
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Originally Posted by VoRtAn_MaDgE
Someone got to try to figure it out lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
Looks like u can help me doing better tonight...give me answers m8 hehe :D
POST card reader. Nothing special.
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Originally Posted by giorgioprimo
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Originally Posted by eva2000
Prices arent up yet, but there more than $500. Hes gonna try to get it to the lowest possible but still $500 is too under priced. Well let you know when the store is up and the auto cascades are for sale. Trust me at this, they will be worth there price.
POST card reader. Nothing special.
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Originally Posted by giorgioprimo
how did they manage to beat you guys by 400 points? :eek: modded bios? messed with the memory timings?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Guys, if my pics stop working it's b/c I am currently at 97.6% of my monthly Photobucket bandwidth :eek: :D Just so you know why they stop showing ;)
@Shroomalistic: Yeah, I figured PC ICE was quoting me a price that he would *like* to eventually be able to sell them for :) But even if they are $650 or $700, they would be worth it. Dry ice temps or better from a single compressor is nuts; believe me, if I HAD the money, I would have one ASAP, or better, TWO :D
Can you post them on the forum...maybe talk to Fugger about itQuote:
Originally Posted by twilius_basic
jjcom
Guys I would just like to say a big thanks to ATI for flying me over, to the guys from Xtreme for the good times and also to Macci who I hope will become a real active member of the awesome overclocking community at xtreme.
I was there to evaluate and help test some new ATI hardware and to help bin some dimms if needed for the guys to use on the overclocking runs, I also helped Fugger as he tried to break 4GHZ with an FX55 although 3.7 or so was about the max we could do.
Good times :) can't wait to do it all again ;)
I'll have to ask about that tomorrow (gotta go now). Don't know if my pics are too big or not? Also, it would sorta be a p.i.t.a. to upload all of them again, lol. I'll check tomorrow about it.
Btw, bandwidth now at 98.2% :D
here some pictures and coverage if anyone is interested
http://auphanonline.com/articles/vie...rticle_id=1636
coz we are...thanks JA
VGPU, VREF, VDD, VDDQ, OCP... is my guess.
1) VDDQ
2) VDD
3) VGPU :
a) 1.3V voltage regulator
b) 1.6V voltage regulator
c) 1.9 voltage regulator
:)
any chance to get the explication about what,the 1.3 - 1,6 - 1.9 voltage regulator,are? (maybe in the graph vmod section) with also the reading and soldering point showed?Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
And about the lcd...is that a diagnostic tester?
thanks
you manually binned some memory on the fly at the event ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
sounds like ya had a ball :D
Thank Bigtoe and OCZAndy for helping out.
OCZ was on hand to memtest and test setting on the boards for us. They found some issues before we ever saw the board and helped save us a lot of time. :toast:
Oooooooh i see.... wouldn't i have loved to test ram on those boards too :DQuote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
I would love just to be there and see all of this...
i think so as well, hey macci , come some music... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanavit
nice pics.. ~! now i know how fugger, macci and oppainter looks like :)
So how did the boards perform ?
Well I have been a long time lurker here and now have decided to join up. Anyway great job guys and the pics are awesome. :slobber:
Too bad I didn't knew you were from XS, otherwise I would have introduced my self to you. I'm the one between PCIce and Macci.Quote:
Originally Posted by twilius_basic
http://www.nordiccrew.com/crotale/Im...compressed.jpg
Welcome to XtremeSystems.org!
G0DZILLA, they were on par with current offerings but it stills some work to be honet. I expect ATI to resolve the issues and go for another round of testing soon.
are they going to be marketting these boards to overclockers in the same way DFI does?
Yes too bad :( I think I remember seeing you there, but likewise I did not know you were from XS.Quote:
Originally Posted by crotale
Next time :D
How much does a cascade cost to run anyway? How many phase change units were there at the event?Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
Runmc: x2 cascadesQuote:
Originally Posted by WiCKeD
Opp: x2 cascades
Fugger: x2 cascades
Macci: x2 cascades
Plus one Autocascade by PC ICE on display.
Lots of cooling :D
yeah funny story actually, i think kingpin was with us when an entire section of comps at the LAN lost power right by the overclocking area. And the kids freaked out and started screaming becuase they were in a match against some other team there.Quote:
Originally Posted by K|ngp|n
but it was funny becuase one of the kids was throwing F bombs everywhere about those stupid overclockers (OPP and them) and their 700W power supplies taking up all the power :lol: :lol: :lol:
we all got a good laugh out of that as we stared at all the 2-stage cascades :stick: :banana:
I had four cascades at the show, two tripple and two doubles. A total of ten compressors.
Just OMG !!!! :slobber: :worship: :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Any chance they were playing CS?Quote:
Originally Posted by ocmyface
hehe yep, they sure were. they were next to us playin in the CS:S tourney. it really was hilarious :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Wow - great work guys.
This stuff is really an inspiration! :thumbsup:
I don't have the money or space to start doing any serious cooling (over the vapo I'm running....), since I'm a grad student and living in a single room. I *can* read up on the theory though, ready for later :D Any suggestions for good places to start reading about the theory of multi-stage cascade setups?
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Originally Posted by Arseface
haha space? i'm a college freshman living in a dorm and i have a two stage pc ice cascade in here :)
lol! really?Quote:
Originally Posted by eshbach
I don't know where I'd put mine. We have to clear out rooms out ( well clear the floor etc anyway) every week so the cleaner can get in and clean stuff.
Plus, I think I'd prefer to build one of my own rather than buy a pre-made one :)
How does your two-stager perform? Is it up to 24/7 operation (yeah, I know I'm a noob atm!).
pc ice cooling is quite capable of 24/7 operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arseface
i don't want to give a final word as to performance as pc ice is still making it better :)
We ran for a week straight at Comdex last year. 24/7 operation is possible but not reccomended.
Chilly1 has been sorting threads but if you advanced search his name there are a bunch of compiled threads in the works on cascades, drawings, and assembly information grouped together.
Cascades can be put on wheels for easy mobility.
hmmm, so who won the competition, or is it not over yet?
Thanks, Fugger.
I'll get reading! :)
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Originally Posted by FUGGER
Thanks for the reply it will be nice when we have more than two options.
The ati engineers :D :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by wfarid
i wanna see some proof before ill believe that
wfarid, they designed the video card, in the end, they always win ;)
yea... they win by 300 point
but on OPP rig tho... ;)
sick score from Jason and without cascade or ln2 as well! Hes not far behind OPP's 43.7k score and only a few fps below his nature :slobber:
None of these cascades are capable of 24/7 operation.. I think the longest run was for a few days made by chilly1 using a helical oil separator.Quote:
Originally Posted by eshbach
hehe GJ Jason :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by twilius_basic
Lol m8, not mine :D I can't afford an FX-55+X850+DFI etc. Those are Jason's scores.Quote:
Originally Posted by ocmyface
oh man. and you couldve had me too! youre so honest :DQuote:
Originally Posted by twilius_basic
haha micah got owned :)
those are great scores from jason. wonder wut he could hit under a cascade..
hmm, i'd still like to see the scores from the competition published... i thought the NDA was over?
Cascades are quite capable of running 24/7 if designed and built for 24/7 use. There are plenty of commercial cascades and autocascades with that kind of duty cycle.
The only problem is adequate oil seperation, if you have that part covered, they run for as long as the mtbf rating for the component with the smallest mtbf.
Regards
John.
PC ICE, great show and awesome work on the cascades.
You guys just get back today?
Fugger. out of curiousity, what did you and everyone else really think of the ATI mobo?
does it have potential? i know OPP was a little frustrated ;)
i havent really gotten a clear cut answer (not that ive asked), i judged best i could while i was up there watching yall mess around with the stuff.
(I was the tall white guy with the no fear shirt on hanging out with the asian guy (Flying Hamster) and pcice a little, i was walking around back there with you guys :D )
For stock they run fine, they are marketed as a budget board. Originally these boards had no overclocking functions or voltage options. In a short time ATI has re-engineered the boards to meet some of the criteria that we needed. ATI undestands the importance of the load and rail stability and is working towards making these boards stronger.
I came to the show with a running start with the Bullhead and knew what to expect and how to proceed. One of my goals for the show was to get 4Ghz and I fell a bit shy, I hope you guys think 3.75Ghz is fairly respectable for my first time with an FX under cascade.
We still have ATI here in the forums to continue making the Bullhead board stronger and feature rich. This information will go into future boards.
I think ATI has a sweet chipset and the board is a little rough now as it is going through some transitions. Bandwidth wise on par if not ahead of the competitors chipsets.
Its a hell of a board for being ATI's first i'd say ;)
3.75 is only about 100mhz shy of the top FX-55 isnt it? For a first board thats a very good sign :D