Maybe on the later, we are just on the start of 2013. But for now AIB just put their bios and choose the frequencies ( some latitude is given by Nvidia for let them differentiate their cards a bit )Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
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Maybe on the later, we are just on the start of 2013. But for now AIB just put their bios and choose the frequencies ( some latitude is given by Nvidia for let them differentiate their cards a bit )Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
imo non reference will depend on quantity of titan. i am hoping a decent launch in terms of quantity but not sure will they continue to supply this large masses (which they will decide on the demand). if good demand then we can see lightning.
You can pre purchase cherry picked GPUs thats why, and also reference boards like MSI Lightnings come better built to handle overvolting and stability at higher OCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
Many Galaxy / KFA2 SOC 680s have been reported as running at 1300 Mhz boost clock out of the box on this forum, while I've been through three GK104s now and none of them pushed past 1250 Mhz.
Most of the custom GK104s out there dont have a premium price on them, E.G MSI reference 680 - 360 GBP, vs MSI Twinfrozer - 371 GPB. Not too long ago EVGA Signature 2 680s were also selling for 380 GBP.
The difference of 10-20 GBP is well worth it to me for the cooler alone. Aftermarket standalone coolers look crap and cost more.
I had two 120Hz multi-monitor sets, and am now back on two 30" panels. The surround does provide a fun "arcade" like feel to gaming but:Quote:
Originally Posted by mbreslin
1. Main issue is you can't really take in three panels all at once, so you end up watching a smaller panel in the middle 90% of the time and the sides are just in your peripheral vision.
2. Performance hit is huge, although that probably is a non issue for Titan Sli crowd.
3. A lot of games don't support it.
4. TN panels not as good for viewing angles, color.
5. Can't run panels in portrait for 3d, so best you can do is three 27" in landscape for height. 30" fills field of vision better.
Anyway, I consider both to have their pros and cons and pretty comparable on level of desirability. 3D Vision Surround is probably as good as it gets for gaming, but downsides above took me back to one 30".
Personally I'd rather have a single big screen. The problem there is if I do get a new monitor, I'd also like it to be 120 Hz capable, and 120 Hz monitors only go up to 1080p, so Im still stuck with my 1200p 60 Hz TN panel, but arguably still one of the best TN panels around for viewing angle, colour, contrast and saturation.
Its sad that most monitor manufacturers are still focused on pushing out 1080p, and no one seems to be focused on improving 120 Hz resolutions beyond that crappy resolution.
For me it is more a question of place.. 3x 24" take some place, if not in portrait, let alone 3x 27" or 5:1 portrait. a 30" fit more for the place i get. Problem then, most PLS 27-30" have crappy display latencies and input lag ( even the best are around 16.5-17ms "input lag", and most are over 32ms ). When you look monitors, you have a big hole between 24" - 27" gamers 1080p display ( 120-144hz ).. and 27" 2560x1440. more aimed at productivity instead of gaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Well I'm sitting at a very easy 1280/7400 on SLI lightnings, so that'd put it 25% faster than mine. If I pushed them a bit, I could close the gap to only 18% faster. Cost of Titan going off estimates in Australia ($1500 AUD) is 250% more than my lightnings. Cost/performance of Titan seems really really bad, unless 6GB ram is needed otherwise even 4GB slower clocked 680's would be very hard to turn down for those who need it.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Probably be looking at $3300 for SLI Titans and waterblocks. That's serious coin for a setup that would be given a massive run for it's money (again unless situations where >4GB VRAM is needed) by Tri-SLI 680's for $2400 incl. blocks. With how good SLI drivers are these days too, it's not the bench only setup it once was either - many gamers use Tri or Quad SLI now. You know how Titan makes me feel? Like I own a 660Ti.
Input lag? Waaaaaa....?????Quote:
Originally Posted by cx-ray
PS: at that resolution you better have a monster of a cpu, and heavily overclocked. If you don't, you are bottlenecking your tri-sli like crazy, specially in cpu-bond games like BF3.
And according to many that's exactly how you should feel since the 680 is actually the 660ti and titan is what 680 was supposed to be if amd had managed to deliver a punch in this (previous?) generation. They didn't and the rest is history as they say... it is possible that you played premium buck for what's really a mid end part.Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Then again nvidia and co are out to make profit, too bad that if they go far enough they'd simply slow the evolution of hardware (if it hasn't already), living space for mobile parts to -one day- take over the desktop parts (as distant as it may currently seem), basically shooting themselves in the foot like intel seems to have done already...
while i believe this supposed to be 680, i think price of titan also clearly shows why they didn't released it (not because of amd's punch or etc). also again price of titan makes 680's price fit for a mid range card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevethegreat
Good find.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe
Well for those that want to use ab
FROM alex at guru
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread....=1#post4531497
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
Just wondering if there is a newer version of ab that might work with a card that will launch soon?
Not into the other app you work on,but if i have no other option i will use that.
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Sure. 3.0.0 beta is ready and it will be used in upcoming Guru3D review.
Changes list includes:
? Ported to new VC++ compiler, new core and skin engine libraries with better extendibility
? Added NVIDIA GPU Boost 2.0 technology support for NVIDIA GeForce GTX Titan graphics cards:
o Added slider for temperature limit adjustment
o Added option for linked power limit and temperature limit adjustment
o Added option for temperature limit prioritizing
o Added maximum voltage adjustment
? Improved skin engine, now skinned slider controls support curved paths defined by alpha channel. Skin format reference guide has been updated to v1.6 to document new slider types support
? Fixed single tray icon mode functionality under Windows 8
? Improved single tray icon mode handling. It is no longer necessary to restart application when toggling single tray icon mode
? Now unofficial overclocking mode and official clock limits extension command line switch (XCL) for AMD graphics cards are accessible via GUI in ?General? tab in ?AMD compatibility properties? section
? Now MSI Afterburner displays voltage regulator model and location information in ?i? window
? MSI On-Screen Display server has been upgraded to version 5.0.0. New version gives you the following improvements:
o Ported to new VC++ compiler, new core and skin engine libraries with better extendibility
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Alexey Nicolaychuk aka Unwinder, RivaTuner creator
wow really? lol dont even know how to respond to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
so your saying that Amd winning Crysis 3 for their gaming evolved program didn't effect Nvidia's launch of the Titan not even a little tiny bit?? especially when they launch on the same day? :rofl: i think nvidia got burned just a little tiny bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
http://img.techpowerup.org/130202/nsr7.jpg
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anyways when does the NDA lift? cant wait to see how these guys are gonna clock.. and just waiting for someone to put a pot on itwith some LN2 action! ;)
how many manufactures are picking up the Titan? i saw a picture of a galaxy card.... does that mean they are expecting say more than 10k units?
The NDA lift info was just posted by Andrea. And no, bundling a $30 game with a competing card is not anything that is going to affect consumers looking to buy Titans, even one bit. Why would you think so? It does seem you're trying to stir the pot though... :confused: .Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Personally, I dont mind the boost feature overclocking my video card, but I hate when it underclocks / undervolts my card at certain thermal throttles. Otherwise I like the extra power management with the clocks not running at full speed all the time if it isnt required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skakruk
Also I've never considered choosing between AMD and Nvidia over which bundled software they offer. I always decide on which GPU I want, and then look for the best offer / quality I can find.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe
So is this actually true or not? I thought I read the complete opposite earlier.Quote:
NVIDIA did not forbid modifying the cards, meaning, manufactures are free to introduce custom models, maybe even with custom cooling.
Your link's better. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea deluxe
im not talking about bundling the game with the card your right..no one would care.... im talking about the launching of crysis 3 and titan on the same day seemingly was on purpose but then amd won it so it took the rug out from underneath the titan just a little bit like 1%Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
anyways ill shutup now reviews/previews are poping up
titan preview
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...ference,4.html
:)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN; GK110's Opening Act
:)
Easy monitor overclocking FTW!
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...X-TITAN-25.jpg
It depends on your definition of lag. It was meant in the context of running with or without AA. There's a subtle difference to be felt in BF3 and a rather clear difference in Far Cry 3. CPU is a 3960X at 4.6GHz. Render times as shown in the BF3 built-in performance overlay graph is typically for both CPU and GPU 4-5ms.Quote:
Originally Posted by prava
/cheerQuote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
and http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desk...an/performance
1.1ghz overclock already without adjusting voltage nice
cant wait to see how these do on watercooling/LN2
As you said lol .Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Whoops...that's still supposed to be under NDA. GG NVIDIA. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Here's ours: http://www.overclockers.com/nvidia-gtx-titan-intro
I don't know whose idea it was that only EVGA and ASUS would be making cards, I mentioned a day or two ago that it was FUD and everyone would be bringing out cards. It doesn't mean that more than 10,000 are being made.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
A little snippet for those interested, liquid nitrogen takes you as far it did with the GK104.
cold shower, the difference in games heavy with the GTX 680 was little, I expected more.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Unlocked voltage is a nice move, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Handrox
Waiting for Techreport's review. These might get pretty close to GTX 690 in latency testing. FPS isn't everything. :)
P.S. Notice how Nvidia's testing is done using a 3.3GHz CPU...
http://www.geforce.com/Active/en_US/...red/lineup.png
Edit: lol, they forgot to put Titan onto the slide. :p:
Yeah, I saw that before haha :p: .Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Damn.Quote:
TITAN’s MSRP is $999
Also:
Quote:
This is not a limited run part. In the conference call with reporters, senior product manager Justin Walker said there will be “More than enough to satisfy demand for these high end gaming PCs.”
From the tail end of our article, which addresses the rumors I've seen bandied about recently:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
- This is not a limited run part. In the conference call with reporters, senior product manager Justin Walker said there will be "More than enough to satisfy demand for these high end gaming PCs." The rumor mill some how got a limited production run of 10,000 units in its head.
- EVGA and ASUS are the two board partners bringing TITAN out in North America. There may be other partners in other countries, but not in this market.
As posted above.Quote:
Originally Posted by hokiealumnus
Good work. :up:
ORIGIN PC Announces First Liquid Cooled GeForce GTX TITAN:eek:
http://legitreviews.com/images/revie...titan2_480.jpg
http://legitreviews.com/images/revie...dtitan_480.jpg
these guys have titan in their system builder, and the price is over $1000, so you KNOW titan is $999. that is more than they need to charge... I thought $899 was enough, greedy nvidia...! http://www.digitalstormonline.com/nvidia-gtx-titan.asp
people can now begin deciding which company is best to buy from: evga for warranty, or asus because they won't go out of business in 5 years? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by hokiealumnus
very economically despite being a giant chip. http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Geforc...lease-1056222/
Finally fully uncapped GPGPU performance: @anandtech
Also shows how to disable GPU Boost.
VBIOS modding for fully unlocked voltage? :p:Quote:
For Titan cards, partners will have the final say in whether they wish to allow overvolting or not. If they choose to allow it, they get to set a maximum voltage (Vmax) figure in their VBIOS.
Good power savings though in multi-monitor setup.
Definitely the nicest looking reference design ever on a single GPU card :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
hell yeah:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Too little, too late, too expensive ... next.
I understand now why amd won't release a new arch in 2013, the 7990 would reign supreme for quite some time, onwards to grab one...
I wasn't disputing it as such, I was saying that other manufacturers bringing out Titans isn't conclusive that there are more than 10,000 chips out there. As for EVGA and ASUS only in the USA, well I'm not sure of the american market but I do know that other partners ARE releasing cards :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hokiealumnus
Very impressive acoustics. Bravo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
Lets be honest, at this price, they dont need to have 50'000 cards in shop the first day. ( damn, here you can add 100 to 200$ more for have one ( and they will maintain low quantity order for keep this price. )Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
Sorry, where did you see that? Under no circumstance can Boost be completely turned off by the end user unless they upload a custom VBIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Their article gave me an impression that enabling FP64 stopped the card from boosting. Did I get that wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Well, yes. But enabling FP64 also cuts clock speeds down to VERY low levels and also reduces the number of available cores to 896.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Read @ the lower half of the page: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...ing-act-2.html :)
It is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Yeah, been trying to correct people for the last week or two that have been parroting that false info but no one wanted to listen...Quote:
Originally Posted by hokiealumnus
So, that somehow isn't the end-user disabling boost?Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Sure but for what benefit? It disables boost and turns off a whole wack of other features. I was under the impression that Zalbard was referring to disabling Boost from an overclocking perspective...which can't be accomplished.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Maybe my post was too short and took what he was saying too literally. ;)
I gotta say, nVIDIA knows how to run a business. Kerching.
No, you are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
I was under the impression that it wouldn't reduce CUDA core count available for gaming purposes.
let's be honest here, the price alone for a 680 gtx with 6gb would cost like $800, then with the extra build quality would go for $900, Titan pricing is reasonable considering everything it brings in a nice single gpu package.
Ok, now I'm just confused. I guess I shouldn't have butted in.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
And by that you mean $600-$650.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loque
Sapphire 7970 Toxic 6GB is under $700 USD. And that's a factory overclocked part with a custom cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loque
I was honestly hoping for a $800 USD price.
this is fap worthyQuote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
^ Hope you know that the green Geforce GTX logo is also LED lit :D
^^ Sapphire toxics are terrible cards. Doesn't matter if they have a custom cooler, their build quality is atrocious.
Id definitely pay extra for a decent, reliable reference design over a Sapphire one. When getting custom designs, you actually need to be careful with getting something that's better than the reference design. Sapphire cards have been worse than AMD reference in too many cases.
oooohhhh Tastes so good make you want to slap your mama!:D
http://www.sweclockers.com/image/red...nal&k=c6c363c8
http://www.sweclockers.com/image/red...nal&k=84474a44
Ok those would look too lovely with my Red phanteks cooler + white fans, and also my silver ram modules and plain metal case interior :D
Heh, I was just thinking, if Sapphire or HIS were somehow making these, they would probably cover that plexi window with a horrible sticker with some hideous video game female character on it.
nVidia unveils GeForce GTX Titan - HFR
http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/76f...d38b1e99d8.jpg
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/139c70b...b2dd1ac915.jpg
HFR talks about 569mm? regarding die size.
Actual size is 551mm? based on NVIDIA's own data. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
GTX TITAN die size 551 mm :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
http://s12.postimage.org/asb64ghvh/gtxtitan.png
http://s11.postimage.org/5l5aevwqb/654.jpg
Maybe they measured the actual package while Nvidia's number is the actual physical silicon size?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
My wallet gasped at 999$ I will not listen to pricing rumors again, I had accepted 800$ and was prepared for 1000$/card with tax and waterblock.
I don't know if it's greedy or what but I'll be paying it so.. Maybe I'm a sucker.
Anyway I'm in for two, hurry up and take my money.
From what it looks like Titan is a 1GHz card provided you keep it cool enough. It should respond well to water cooling.
http://i49.tinypic.com/25quate.png
From (German):
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php...3-way-sli.html
If only I had the balls to empty my bank account on just one lol. I would buy one right away if it was 600 quid, but 830, no freaking way :(
Maybe, I don't know for the moment LordEC911. I asked Damien, we'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
That's really impressive ! Seems nVidia made a terrific job regarding power efficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
Just hopin' a cheapo GK110 version now :D
Did they really manage to release this giant on A1 silicon!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
One Crysis cruncher and Ramen noodles for the rest of the year can't be that bad :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Meh, I already started living on 19p tins of kidney beans, chick peas, garden peas and sweetcorn stuffed full of spices :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cx-ray
Needed to start eating healthier, and I can get 3 months worth of unsalted tinned veg for 25 quid :D. And cheapo cereal and brown bread.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by olivon
:d
I'd like a cheaper version without that redundant cooler for us who would slap them a water block.
My conscience just won't let me spend $1000 for a video card, thats allot of booze and strippers, j/k I don't drink much!
I like my toys as much as anyone but there just isn't enough ROI, maybe if I had 10 absolute block buster games waiting to played.
Stop talking sense! :::puts hands over eyes:::Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
I will not be deterred!
^ now lets see what else we can do with $ 2k :p:
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Id still get the cards if i could get my hands on them here :D
lol :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Toolius
Even 4x titans isn't as bad on the wallet as grabbing 8x 256gb crucial c300s on day 1 at 800$/ea.
That hurt. ;p
I afford my PC hobby by not drinking booze, that's my secret :D
But this price is just a big no. Most expensive thing I bough yet was my 512 Gb SSD, and I'm gonna get a second one of those after it drops a bit more to 250 quid.
And the games I play not working with SLI makes more 680s or a 690 unappealing.
I think I will sell all my cards: 8600GT/9800GT/GTS 250/GTX260/HD 4870.....+All my money so I can get GTX TITAN:D
It's a dumber purchase though. I don't mind splurging on things that I expect to last. The cold truth is that I change GPUs more often than any other component. So it's easy to justify expensive RAID controllers, storage systems, hell even sound cards and cases than it is GPUs. Odd as it may seem.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbreslin
A grand for this TITAN seems a lot. Since I have a 680 already I might wait for ppl to start upgrading and maybe get me another 680 for cheap. As of right now I can't see myself getting this Titan at $999 but who knows...
Unboxing from Linus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgQbc...ature=youtu.be
Considering the clocking rumors that the card actually works at 900 mhz+ to a ghz. It starting to look a little better. But the 1 grand asking price is ridiculous.
Only reason to get this card would be it double precisions performance.
Another thing stopping me in particular from getting a Titan that it is made with A1 stepping. This leaves a lot of room for extra performance. 2880 shader should definitely be in reach, as well as higher clocks. This generation with 28nm it seems yields and getting working parts is no problem. Compared to earlier generations, where they had to use much later steppings for mass productions, Nvidia should be able to crank these out at 800 dollar.
If I am going to pay 1000 dollars, it better be a fully functional product which is in the single digits or close to it in terms of difference in speed between this and a gtx 690.
Its a shame, this card could have been the next gtx 8800, particularly if it was fully functional, considering the performance per watt and the leap over the gtx 580. As is, it seems like a workstation card, that just happens to have good gaming performance which leaves it a very niche product.
your logic isn't sound to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by crash5s
it is not a dumber purchase if you need it and have the money. and if you don't, why talk about it?
if you do replace GPUs so often, you can make lots of money back selling titan.
there will be no GPU faster than titan for 1-1.5 years. and even then, it will be a $500 gtx 785 or whatever. titan is expensive, but it isn't more dumb than the other $1000 video cards that have been out for months and have lost no value at all. (check 7990 and 690 prices)
Double post
Thing is in 12-18 months, these will probably cost a fraction of what they are charging now, and there will be better cards out for half the current cost.
We just have to wait for AMD to get competitive again though for that to happen :(
My only question seems to be which vendor will have the highest vmax and/or will I be able to flash a custom vbios with a higher vmax. I *think* I will be skipping a reference purchase and waiting a bit to see what the vendors come up with.
Normally that would be Asus and MSI, but the initial reference designs might not have any variance with overvolting.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbreslin
Uh, no? 690 is almost a year old and the price has barely moved. Hoping for "a fraction of what they are charging now" is a fantasy. Unless you mean 99/100 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
In this case we think the 780GTX will be slower, so unless ATI are faster in Q3 with their new cards Titan will be a smart buy until the next node change.Quote:
Originally Posted by crash5s
Because it hasnt been bettered at a lower price point? The AMD 7990s that are currently out are priced even higher. 690 prices will start falling after Titan is released.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbreslin
Also the GTX 690 was originally 850 GBP on release, and currently it can be bought for 735. So thats still a reduction.
Well lucky for you if you're in the market for a 690 I guess. From the sellers in the US I'd trust to purchase from most still seem to have 690 prices pegged at 999$USD. A year later no movement. Seems very unlikely to me titan will have any significant price drop within your 12-18 months window. I can't imagine the yields will get so great that nv would want to lower the price much.
Edit: Sorry I just now saw your first sentence. Which single gpu card comes in a year with better performance than titan? 780 doesn't look like it, 8xxx series from amd at the end of the year? doubtful.
If you take out amd/nvidia love/hate and just look on merit based on ryan's very favorable preview even without benchmarks titan looks like a complete beast.
thats why i feel quite happy with my 500$ gtx680,Quote:
Originally Posted by mbreslin
perf/$ on this is worse than the 680 by a long shot, just comparing launch prices, and its been nearly a year for the 680.
this should be 800$ imo, even with where amd is standing. you can buy 2x 7970 and have enough extra for hookers and blow.
I was responding to a person pointing out how much they spent on SSDs. As far as premium items go in computer components the GPU tends to be the one swapped out the soonest and most often. Especially compared to things like storage systems. It's a lot easier to justify buying the best for components that tend to stick around a long time, far more so than the one thing that tends to be upgraded the quickest.Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
There's a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
690 is still faster in applications with proper SLI support. And it so happens that those games seem to need performance the most. :p:
IMO the best thing about Titan is VRAM amount. If you're convinced that you absolutely need [a lot] more than 2GB, it is the way to go. Otherwise 2x 670s or 690 seem like a better plan.
Unless you can afford two Titans, lol. But that's the whole different story. :p: