How much of a difference is between liquid pro and ultra?I saw owik84 tested and yielded about 5-6 degrees difference?
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How much of a difference is between liquid pro and ultra?I saw owik84 tested and yielded about 5-6 degrees difference?
When I switched from Liquid Ultra to Pro, I saw an improvement of ~3 degrees
yes i don't know why pro is better that ultra but is true
On paper, Liquid Pro is supposed to have at least 2x the thermal conductivity of Liquid UltraQuote:
Originally Posted by hersounds
CL Pro = 82w/mK
CL Ultra = 32 or 38w/mK
IX = 20w/mK
PK-1 = 10.2w/m -c
But in reality Pro is just 5-6C better than Ultra.
Decided to delid my 2nd chip which is IMC 2800+ capable.
IHS was beaten by a big size stationery knife within 5 minutes! It was quick.
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...E/DSC_0003.jpg
The residual black adhesive is removed by my fingernails,
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...E/DSC_0004.jpg
Applied Liquid Pro (elder bro of Liquid Ultra) on four sides: CPU die, IHS top and bottom, waterblock base.
Note that IHS is installed, hence the CPU is not running nakedly :D
So, here's the results.
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...id2nd3770K.jpg
Previously I couldn't even finished the tests at 5.0GHz, the speed was throttled because it hit TJmax of 105C. :(
So, delidding shove off about 30C. :D
yes it isQuote:
Originally Posted by hersounds
WoW nice results owikh84 !
30c is a huge dif.
Might have to delid mine someday.
Nice Stuff owikh84 , chip looking good at a nice vcore and temp and having the memory at 2800mhz is the topping :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by owikh84
Joined XS just for this thread LOL!
Got a delidded 3770k WCed and hitting 5ghz with 1.56v and about 100'C on hottest core... Only been using Noctua TIM and got a batch of CLU incoming and gonna check it.
5 ghz with 1.56...that is very brutal on that poor cpu...
No mercy for the weak!
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Alex-Ro
winter oc some fresh air into my water
has no mode whit this CPU I7 3770K have my 7970 with the same system 1400/1825
5.3GHZ
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5927/0550509.jpg
5.1GHZ
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8...ntage45382.jpg
Actually Coollaboratory stated the correct w/ml values for Pro and Ultra. Ultra has a better w/mk than pro actually, I have an email from a Coollaboratory rep I can dig for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by owikh84
I still prefer pro for on die application cause of the 0 possibility of tim pump out, which worries me a bit with Ultra being a different compound and not a metal alloy strictly.
LM Pro = 32.6 w/mk (Right from the CEO of Coollaboratory)
LM Ultra = 38.2w/mK (Right from the CEO of Coollaboratory)
IX = 20w/mK (IX literature)
PK-3 = (11.2W/mk)
PK-2 = (10.2W/mk)
PK-1 = 10.2w/m (frozencpu)
artic silver 5 = 8.7 w/m.k
Gelid extreme = (8.5W/mk)
Very nice results! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Martin.v.r
I de-lidded my 3770k, applied liquid pro and remounted the HS then applied some ic diamond and max load @ 5ghz is mid 60s to mid 70s. But the bad is.. it can do 10 runs of IBT on very high, But as soon as i launch a stressful game like BF3 or run Prime95 in 30 mins it crashes.
my voltage is @ 3.5vcore BTW.
Not sure what the problem is, but i currently have it knocked down to 4.9
With 3.5v you probably killed the chip and the board VRMs. Maybe your problem is about the memory and not the CPU itself.
3.5 Vcore come on! is a mistake!
He probably wanted to write .35V --> 1.35V
I've got two delidded 3770Ks and both run 5GHz, one at 1.36v that I got from LagunaX and another I delidded myself at 1.39v (Offset mode, LLC-Ultra). My DMM shows the Vcores lower than this as well but the main thing is that delidded with Cool Laboratory gives great results. Both 3770Ks run mid 60C max after hours of Prime Blend, The chip I did myself would always give errors in Prime above 4.9GHz. Raising Vcore and LLC would just send the chip into the 90C's and cause errors earlier. I think I actually got throttling at one stage
I'll probably run the chips 4.8GHz 24/7 but it's good to know that a slightly tricky (for me anyway) IHS removal with the CL Pro on the die and the lid replaced is definitely worth the effort.
Delidded mine too:
On watercooling at room temp
http://s19.postimage.org/62serq233/Prime_Idle.jpg
http://s19.postimage.org/g1dde7bin/Prime_During.jpg
EK Water Blocks Announces De-Lidded Ivy Bridge CPU Cooling Solutions
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/13-03-28/142b.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/182088/EK-Water...-Solutions.html
That's really cool...
I saw a guy at OCN post a delidding method that works 100% and is really fast.
It involves using a vise to hold the chip by the ihs, a wooden block and a calibrated hammer.
I'm tempted to try it with my not so stellar 3770k...
5 sec delidding no cutting into the PCB:
http://www.fnarfbargle.com/private/1...d/IMG_0081.m4v
That...dude is a legend already.
Wow....
I have a few i5s & i7s...
I guess as long as you're gentle, this is nearly fool proof?
Seems to be...I'll try this asap. Just make sure the chip doesn't fly away and that the force applied is 100% paralell to the vise so to avoid making the ihs smash the die or pcb when moving.
If I can locate my vice (just moved, I can't even find pants lol), I'll re-bench my i5 again & then delid & try again. I need to get some proper tim. Off to google to source it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivanlabrie
Use cool laboratory liquid pro no dude buddy!....I see Vice style but I prefer classic razor method
I tried the razor, gonna try the vise now...
There's cheap Coollaboratory Liquid Pro at Ebay, get it from there. ;)
Good luck!
This'll probably be my best attempt at being XTREME! I'd rather whack things with a hammer, lol. That's my POV on the topic. :p I was planning on getting the PRO. You'd think Ultra should be better, but it's not.
I see only one auction for $17+ shipped. Frozen cpu has it for $14 & I need to make an order for compression fittings anyways.
My g/f is going to be SUPER pissed because I'm doing this to her CPU & holding up her build, but she'll appreciate higher OCs. 4.6ghz on an i7 just isn't acceptable for XS. ;)
Thanks for the insight, guys.
:D
Nice rig you're building her ;)
Sidewinder has it with free shipping inside US, I wasn't sure you were in the US mate.
Decided to try it out on a 1610. Better to lose $40 than $300+, right?
http://i50.tinypic.com/6i8u2d.jpg
Like a hot knife through butter! :up:
I used double sided shaving razors. Because you break them in half, you can't apply too much pressure or they'll cut into you or hurt like help. They are super thin. I also used thicker blades afterwards to create more separate. I eventually shoved two thicker blades in, using the bottom as a safe surface to leverage the lid off of the PCB.
Popped it in a board & it posts. Next, I have an i5 & i7. :D
Thanks for the help!!!
She's lucky to have me. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivanlabrie
She gave me the thumps up to delid. She's actually excited about it. :D
I'll have to see if sidewinders has the stuff I need. Maybe I'll order from there instead. Who knows lol. I have time since it's Saturday.
Yep, I'm in the US. Currently in CO, but moving back to the South. I miss NOLA & humidity (and the bayou)!
I found this thread late last night and have already dlidded my 3770 and i am having great results:up:
I found out the my Phobya water block wasn't seated right... The block is lapped
and I re-lapped the cpu lid. I used PK-1 between IHS and die and between my waterblock. The temps tell it all!!!:D
I cant seem to upload any pics, I am seeing about 17C better at 4.7..........
Wait to see your results with liquid pro or ultra on die...10-15c more to drop. ;)
Congrats [XC] Synthetickiller! I thought the hammer was more extreme than razors...I'll try the vise method and post results here soon.
Gonna murder my already dead g620.
i have been trying to post my de-lidded 3770k @4.5ghz 1.33v (fairly crap cpu i think but not the worst) but i cant add pics for some reason it does not have add pics in the attachments but a quick message is 3770k went from 101c down to 83c with liquid pro and a h60 cpu cooler
Awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by LagunaX
LOL! I thought there was some exaggeration there when you said 5 secs, but nope, really took 5 secs :D On a separate but related note I have a i5 3570k I'll be ordering soon to replace my i5 2500k which has developed some kind of fault (random BSODs and lockups even at stock, tested on 3 different boards) has anyone delidded and have before and after temp comparisons using Arctic MX4?Quote:
Originally Posted by LagunaX
Actually this video showed a far safer way to remove the IHS away from the PCB. They just swapped positions from the earlier trick where they placed the PCB into the vice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
I still haven't done the deed yet (mostly scared of ruining the cpu) but I have to do it soon so that I can lower the temps on the 3770K. Just severely lacking the guts to do it yet.
If the IHS on my 2500k wasn't soldered on I would of delidded that, I'm actually happy intel have gone back to paste so we can all shave 10-15c off our load temps. I've just installed the replacement 3570k in my system, once I've tested everything to verify all is well I'll be delidding the 3570k if I don't like the load temps. Currently with everything stock, side panel off in UEFI core temp reads 29.5c, thats about 12c cooler than my 2500k ever was at stock.
ED - Forgot to mention default voltage for my new 3570k is 0.97v, from what I know average idle voltage for these CPUs tend to hover around 1.05v - 1.08v so this 3570k might be a good one :D
Here's a core voltage number for you to shoot for. I don't know if it means anything but it looks nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
http://imageshack.us/a/img33/7508/cpuz0744v.png
Hopefully I have some time next month to hit my 3570K with a hammer to see if I can get the temps down and the MHz up.
I haven't tried undervolting. The closest I got to undervolting is when setting offset voltage so load voltage wasn't really high. Doing that my idle voltage was 0.85v, I think I'll definitely be needing to delid this 3570k though even with just 1.12v @ load I'm seeing 77c - 80c temps when running IBT :shakes: I wasn't going to delid my 3570k so soon after getting it so as not to spoil that shiny new newness feeling we get but I don't think I can accept 80c temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb
Happy to report another triumph for delidding here.
Reports according to RealTemp 3.7 with CPU @ stock with 5 passes of IBT using 6750MB of RAM;
Before:
Min: 24/24/26/30
Max: 54/62/61/63
After:
Min: 18/19/23/27
Max: 48/55/57/59
I used Arctic MX4, in regards to my 3570k the stock TIM was already all dried up when I removed the IHS... doesn't exactly fill me full of confidence for intels manufacturing quality. I don't get why intel don't just provide the IHS but don't stick it down so users can use their own TIM and replace when necessary. I'll test out OC load temps later.