Very good. I'm looking forward to Your results :up:
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Very good. I'm looking forward to Your results :up:
yeah the humidity sucks! I wish it was 120f and no humidity! It makes it feel really hot and sticky when we have high humidity. most of the time it don't get all that warm it just gets high humidity here in Ohio. :shakes:
Edit:
OMG I took my fuzion off my G0 today for a couple reasons. one to try my idea that I got off of dragon and the other was to put the 24k diamond on my chip to see the difference from d7 to d24.
Well I was amazed to see this on my waterblock. Take a look!!!! I should add that I have taken note of the setup temps and room temps and core temps! I will post them in a different post showing before and after with the compound change.
You mention high humidity- what happens is the area covered by the compound is airtight and exposed area being copper is subject to oxidation, hence the lighter area covered by the paste maintains the original polish
A quick update on the DICE results. It worked well if it was allowed time to spread before being frozen.
That was always my concern, I have tested/thermal cycled ICD -40 C to +85 C - for up to 250 cycles with no change in performance. But never a straight shot to sub zero -
Letting it settle first, giving it a chance to resolve down to the BLT or cure first is definitely the way to go.
Maybe warm it up a couple of times with a hairdyer to speed up the process?
Some more info for you;
Just assembled a dual harpertown last night with IC7
Machine is clocked at 3404 right now
Temps all in the high 40's-51C at load.
Very nice considering the heat load those are tossing at that speed.:up:
the ring on the outside edge of where the past was is purple like it was super hot. That is what I was trying to point out not the copper color. :D
My temps were never very hot and I run both real temp and core temp. but when I report I always report core temp. I just cant get over how it looked burnt!
It's tough to measure performance subzero because all monitor programs bug out with negative temps. The ceramique seemed a bit easier to remove afterwards but that's probably due to the fact that it is not as thick as ICD.
Deux what would you recommend for sub? ICD or ceramique?
...or Liquid Metal Pro?
I would recommend ceramique but only because it is easier to remove. I suspect that ICD and LMP have better thermal conductivity but honestly when you are -80 C does one or two degrees from TIM really matter or make a difference in clocking.
I agree Deux that is why I asked what one you thought would be better. :D
i just did a lil modding, i know my chipset gets pretty hot, 40C+ according to the IR temp guage on my multimeter, and since i have a few tubes of D7 i figured why not pull off the heatpipes on my board and replace the AS5 with some D7. after pulling it off i found a nice surprise, only 3 of the voltage regulators or whatever in the mofset area had contact with that portion of the heatpipe, i figure this was due to the stock plastic clips and springs that hold down the heatpipe. based on what i've learned from the heatsink testing, that the more i compress the spring the more pressure will be applied. so i went out to lowes and got some screws and nuts that fit in the mounting holes (#4-40 screws 3/4" length). i just got done putting it back together and have been in XP for 30 minutes running orthos to load up the processor. the heatsink/pipe on the chipset is now at 35C, a 5C drop from changing out the paste and adding more pressure!!! thats the best $1.04 i've ever spent
that is great dragon! your idea didn't work for my fuzion. my room is now 30.6c and my core temps are 46 40 37 38
that is not as good as it was before I added the washers. :(
I Have been going over the IC Diamond data the last few days what seems interesting to me is that predominately force is the most prominent factor which generally has a hardware basis and tended to compensate for light contact tests.
On the multiple forum tests approx 80% saw an improvement vs our sample which was approximately 70% where there was more of an emphasis on the original no result tests but all in all it pretty well well lines up with a breakout of +result, equal result, - negative result.
This was a broad sample test and can be used as a general indicator of the groups/forums tested and not a live or die by any individual test or result.
This group as a whole are pretty experienced when it comes to proper mounting, lapping/contact issues and are creative overcoming hardware deficiencies with bolt through, shims, higher force springs etc. as a matter of course. The test group had several pressure samples and where able to do some optimizing to get the best result by lapping or tightening/balancing their mounts with an indicator.
My experience on my own copper synthetic 1 in. die which is flat // to .0005 and I have easy access top, side and back with no flexing MB or socket issues. This is a definite advantage when seeking perfect contact, even so I still have to wiggle the last couple of degrees alternately securing and loosening screws while monitoring temps to get the lowest number possible it usually takes me about 20 min before I am satisfied.
So at least from my observations it is a pretty challenging pursuit to get an optimal mount under the best of conditions. Many get there through multiple remounts taking the best temp they can get by "feel" and reworking when necessary which is what I do with my set up although compounded by complexity with an in system mount.
I have an old T bird sink that I use as a ref. with a single bent spring clip which only makes contact with on/over the exact center of the die with consistent/constant pressure. 4 years ago, today and tomorrow it will give me the same result. I had overlooked hardware as problem issue because my experience was lacking in the new stuff so the beta testing here has been valuable, again thanks to all participants.
I have learned alot from this group on the hardware side as I have not really looked hard at hardware mounting and will be very useful in some sink development I am doing. An odd point here, a manufacturer could not have the best performing sink in a range of sinks but with a good hardware mount design could run the web site review circuit and average out better with good contact and balanced pressure than better performing sinks. I would imagine a best hardware mount should be a priority for the competitive sink market.
As noted the spread on these results run about 9C the difference between a great mount and a marginal one is the difference between a high end sink and an average one.
Taking a repetitive holistic approach. Temp results can range 9C factoring out the heat sink and just considering compound/contact/pressure on it's own.....Non trivial with the whole picture in mind.
The following is posted here for easy ref and comments. I will post some further breakdowns along with some new data in the next week or so
So what was the final result with this stuff? I found this thread doing research on some other TIMs and actually had a thread up in the water cooling forum asking about CLP when I ran across someone mentioning diamond based TIMs which eventually led me here. Anyone done any comparison of this stuff versus say MX-2 or CLP? Aside from poor performance with inadequate pressure or poorly lapped CPUs, any other problems? I know some people where looking at the sub-zero performance of this stuff, but I'm looking for a TIM for a WC setup, so I'm more interested in its performance under "normal" conditions, particularly with regard to other TIMs and in less than perfect conditions (it seems by looking at these test results that you get better cooling with several other TIMs unless you really go the extra mile to have good pressure and a extra flat contact area).
heres 2 posts that i found in this thread where someone used MX2
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=152
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=442
Thanks. I'm surprised it was able to beat MX-2 by that much, think I'm definitely going to pick this stuff up, if for no other reason than I can use it on my NB/SB/Mosfets, unlike CLP.
Application Notes - From all the forum testing on application and application sizes, a pea sized amount on center was pretty universally decided as the optimal amount on all forums. Thanks to all for their efforts, much appreciated.
Besides just knowing the amount I like to know why. I believe I have most of that figured out with some additional testing on my own. Check out my results
Thanks, that's great info. Glad to see some real scientific work behind recommendations as well, and not just vague hand waving. When I get this stuff I'll make sure to use a sufficiently large quantity. I suppose it should be possible to wipe off excess from the edges after application, just need to find the proper tool to get in underneath the heatsink to the edge of the chip.
Err.. I suddenly feel a need to remount my CPU...
I too appreciate all the work you put into this...but oddly enough I was able to determine fairly quickly on my own that the Diamond TIM worked better with more of a bead than say X23 Shin. It only took a few mounts to see how far it was NOT spreading lol. Temps were all I went by in terms of deciding whether I got the mount right. I had already sold and used a number of tubes of IC7 and was already recommending it when I found this thread:D
I tend to use Shin on a well mated surface and IC7 on any questionable surface and on any chips where TIM conductivity might be an issue.
I added The content from our testing to our web site and most is data supplied from you guys Thanks again for all the effort.
Be a little forgiving on the design front as I am at the bottom of the learning curve when it come to HTML and web design and once I get the content and links squared away I will turn it over to a professional to smooth it out.
I will be doing some more forum beta testing and am mulling over some different tests I need done to fully round things out. In any event thanks again.
http://innovationcooling.com/index.html
For those that have an interest we are sponsoring another giveaway at OCAU
and results are starting to come in.
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...d.php?t=718724
I've recently Joined and got a Q9650.. it stays decently cool. but I'm having problems with it now. It was good the first mount. I shoulda left it alone. but I wanted to try AS5 instead of the crap I used. So I got it. and Now I've yet to get it back as good as before. Not sure why. I've tried different directions for seating the Tuniq, I've tried the same old TIM. not sure.. I'm thinkin I might order the TRUE sometime this week.
anyways I'm not sure if this is just a thread to show your results. but if you're sending people ICD7 for testing. I'd be happy to try it with full pictures.. Screeny's and whatever else. I'm not impressed with the AS5 so far. It's been only 3 days though. Originally I used Antec Formula 5. Same ingredients as AS5. but lighter in color. I think it might be better though. lol.
I'd love to try this new ICD7 out. I've heard Diamond Paste is the new stuff to recommend.
Well you could always buy a tube... I will be starting a new round of beta tests/giveaways on some other forums over the next month on some other forums and will try to remember to post notice here.
You can also check out Overclockers Australia for latest user test results
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...=718724&page=6
Breakdown of the progress @ OCAU - pretty well mirrors Xtremesystems Tests
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...allresults.jpg
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User- Comparison paste-Result Red AS5
EvilGenius * AS5 -1.83
Spamz0r * AS5 -6
CD_TOASTER* AS5 -2
t8y* Stock+.5
Hennels* AS5+0.5
Butcher9_9* AS5 -2
Crash Dummy * Stock paste -3
OsiC* Stock paste -1
stuii*AS5-1
bees_man*AS5+.05
brendohall*AS5+3.25
cbjaust*AS5+8.4
jimmy*AS5-.5
maev*AS5-2
Aetherone*AS5-6
t8y*AS5-.75
terrastrife*AS5-10
Quote:
User- Comparison paste-Result yellow MX2
EC MEISTER *MX-2 -2
buzzen * MX-2 -2.25
Lardman
CPU -1
GPU1-6.1
GPU1+.5
Updated results OCAUQuote:
User- Comparison paste-Result Blue Stock and miscellaneous
redw0lf * Stock-10.25
boogerthe2nd * Thermalright-7
swiftyb * Stock paste-4
tfroggydawg *noctua paste-3.25
JohnZ*Stock Paste-6.1
vchoy* Stock paste -11
Boomsie*Stock-0
boogerthe2nd*stock_6
K3nii*ASC*-2
AussieTemplar*TX2-1.5
jimmy*stock-8.5
NiSlo*Stock=.01
Aetherone*stockWG-10
AetheroneStockintel-14
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...61reformat.png
I added OCAU to the overall to see what it would look like. With the 160 user tests graphics are getting a little scrunched I will have to figure another way to format it.
Thanks tasty for keeping us updated!
Where is it available for purchase? With Mithril going for the gemstones and precious metals look, this would be perfect!
An ICD7 review from the Greeks
http://www.cpusers.gr/attachment.php...1&d=1227561820
Just wanted to let you know that the Nehalem rig at 3733mhz with a TRUE and your TIM is holding at 60C in a 72F room at 100% load 24/7
Much better than I see some of the others doing for temps on air.
The harpertown rig, dual socket,8 core @ 3600, is holding at 51C on air at 100% load.
Great product:up:
nice graph. i shall look up liquid pro now.
Since I did not have better luck with the 7carat version I would be willing to try the 24carat version if supplied with samples. I have several test benches now so processor change outs is much easier to do.
Building a new system with i7 920, my tube of IC 7 carat just came in.
Will share my temps with EK Supreme and quad rad. once everything is in place.
Is 1 big chunk in the middle of the IHS still the preferred way of applying this paste?
I have one Q6600 rig that is running hotter than normal, I need to pull the WB and check the mount. I might give the 7C a try again.
Happy new Year all,
Final results. OCAU of the 44 who tested Approximately 80% saw a positive result with an overall average improvement of 3.28C. The 20% who did not from our previous Contact and Pressure testing 80% of the 20% were resolved to be a contact or pressure issue that inhibited optimal results.
All in all a pretty good test run and line up well with the total group averages from the other forums.
[IMG]http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...NALRESULTS.png[/IMG]
Well I redid the Q6600 mentioned above with D7 and across the cores I saw a 1c improvement. The mount from the MX-2 looked very good with even TIM distribution. Since it is a FuZion v1 the mounting pressure is very consistent between mounts. :up:
I wonder how much better the temps would be with the higher carat blend?
SiG, IIRC, the "higher carat" tube you are talking about is the exact same density paste, just more of it in a bigger tube. I guess you get about 7 carats worth in the little tubes we tested with, and a bit over three times more in the "24 carat" tube. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
Good to see you saw a difference. I'm a believer in the stuff and it is the only paste I'm using on the farm now. It has held up very well over the months that I've had the mounts from the test. I find it easy to get a good mount with, and very reliable over time. That's what I want. If the temps drop, that's just "sauce for the goose".
I put some D7 on an overclocked eVGA GTX260-216 card that I threw a water block on. Between all of that, it dropped the loaded GPUGrid temps by 30C. I about fell out of the chair....
Regards,
Bob
When it comes to precious stones, the term "carat" is a measure of weight currently equal to 200milligrams. On our current context, that would mean that there is 1.4grams of actual blue diamond in a seven carat package and 4.8grams of blue diamond in the 24 carat tube (along with the other gunk that makes it a paste)
for your diamond
http://www.lascodiamond.com/products/dmdpdr.htm
Latest Beta test results coming in @ Overclockers.net for those that like comparisons
Today's Chart
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...reliminary.jpg
Overclockers.net results to date
Quote:
User- Comparison paste-Result AS5
jacksknight -1.3 C
Enyalius -1
hiiyah777 -4.5
tofunater "0" change
trexxcrap -7 **idle only reported?
chink -2
Sukach -4C
BIGWORM -6
KarmaKiller -3c
xXkeyboardkowboyXx -11
rx7racer -.91 C
Danbeme32 -7C
intelfan -0.5C
theCanadian -3
XxBeNigNxX +3 C
P£P§! -5
dicko505 -3.75
pun3D -9
spaceballsrules -7
bremaine -2
Microsis -4.5
BlackOmega -7
catmmm -4C
User- Comparison paste-Result mx-2
Jeffmizrahi -4c
ljason8eg +2.5
bulmung -5c
dicko505 -2.75
DIRTYDUCK -1
User- Comparison paste-Result Misc. Compounds
Enjoi -5C * Geil
Yomny -2 * Ultra Gel**
Emperor -8.5 Zalman grease
dicko505 OCZ -1
dicko505 ceramique -2
shnoops + 4 Shin Etsu x23
error10 -7Shin Etsu G-751
TnB= Gir +1 OCZ Freeze
nitd_kim -5 stock compound
tindolos -1 TG-1 No ambient reported
spaceballsrules -3.5 Noctau NT-H1
spaceballsrules 0.0 C - OCZ Freeze
FlAwLeSS_666 -2 Shin Etsu G-751
HaXXoR -7 Stock HP Paste
Polska -11 C ZM - STG1
Diamond 7 carat is now available in my country at a sharp price :up: here
The website says : 'After applying the therma paste, wait a few minutes before mounting the cpu cooler '
That's new to me ??
Obsolete instructions check revision on our website - Application Instructions
Tasty it took my last quad with a FuZion v1 down 1c on all cores. :up:
The long term feedback is great, thanks Movieman
I keep hammering the long term stability aspect as a marketing/ feature point but it's a hard sell with a group that changes their heat sink more frequently than their underwear :rofl: Pushing a rock uphill on that one.
Same here Tasty. It's my only paste now. All the machines I have put this on are rock solid. No blown out mounts, no temp degradation, nothing. And I have been bad on occasion about blowing out dust bunnies in the cases. I run lots of fuzion blocks. they have been all reliable mounts using the "Pea glob" technique.
Regards,
Bob
I have also moved to this past full time.
I even talked a couple guys at microcenter into buying it over the ocz stuff the other day.
The sales lady said they were all about the same I started laughing, The guy was like you don't agree with her. I said not a chance. I told them all I would be more then happy to prove that the diamond past is much better if you would like me to. He was like well I think I will take some of that stuff instead.
:D
I may look for it next time I'm shopping for some. By then there may be a supplier in Auz and I may have hardware that can actually put sufficient mounting pressure on.
Thank you Martin and HAPPY NEW YEAR:)
I do have a guy in australia who's pretty good.
Australian sales inquiries can be directed to Richard Warner at rwarner@austarnet.com.au
+1 for being hooked on IC Diamond. Don't think I can go back to anything else now:D I generally see a 4 C reduction on all 4 cores, keep it coming!
The long term stability is what you want to push towards the server crowd, it's EXACTLY what they want. Hobbyists just pull their rigs down too often for that to be a big thing, they want outright performance. You just need to get the hang of marketing it is all, the product is top tier.
Latest results tally - the guys at overclockers.net are giving me the highest sample/return ratio yet. Although I think XtremeSystems really put me though the wringer more than any other forum.
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...y7-74tests.jpg
Quote:
User- Comparison paste-Result AS5
jacksknight -1.3 C
Enyalius -1
hiiyah777 -4.5
tofunater "0" change
trexxcrap -7 **idle only reported?
chink -2
Sukach -4C
BIGWORM -6
KarmaKiller -3c
xXkeyboardkowboyXx -11
rx7racer -.91 C
Danbeme32 -7C
intelfan -0.5C
theCanadian -3
XxBeNigNxX +3 C
P£P§! -5
dicko505 -3.75
pun3D -9
spaceballsrules -7
bremaine -2
Microsis -4.5
BlackOmega -7
catmmm -4C
Ammocache -3
Fossil 0.0
ProjecT TimeZ -7.25
s7j3 -1
BLKKROW -1.75
zomgiwin-7
Grizzly Adams -4 Edited gain since initial install
KamuiRSX-2
mortimersnerd-5
Ricdeau-4
tkl.hui-2
lemans81-4
Pheoxs-6
Max302-.05
Grunion-1
BlackOmega-7
Show4Pro-5
BIGWORM -5
Timxirish-1
User- Comparison paste-Result mx-2
Jeffmizrahi -4c
ljason8eg +2.5
bulmung -5c
dicko505 -2.75
DIRTYDUCK -1
Mikecdm-1
User- Comparison paste-Result Misc. Compounds
Enjoi -5C * Geil
Yomny -2 * Ultra Gel**
Emperor -8.5 Zalman grease
dicko505 OCZ -1
dicko505 ceramique -2
shnoops + 4 Shin Etsu x23
error10 -7Shin Etsu G-751
TnB= Gir +1 OCZ Freeze
nitd_kim -5 stock compound
tindolos -1 TG-1 No ambient reported
spaceballsrules -3.5 Noctau NT-H1
spaceballsrules 0.0 C - OCZ Freeze
FlAwLeSS_666 -2 Shin Etsu G-751
HaXXoR -7 Stock HP Paste
Polska -11 C ZM - STG1
savagebunny + 2 Shin Etsu x23
lsdmeasap -2.5 TX2
sabermetrics -7 OCZ Freeze
stumped +2 Shin Etsu x23
savagebunny-7 Shin x23
Ricdeau-3 OC freeze
Show4Pro -8.24 Chill Factor
ChrisB17 -1 TX-2
Snoopy83 -6 stock paste
Locool676 -6 AS Ceramic
Spart -5 OCZ
Total Tally of 7 forum giveaway's to date
I'm planning on picking up a tube of this stuff soon for my new build. After reading the thread, I just wanted to confirm that on an i7 the agreed best application method is a pea size drop? Also I read mixed ideas about giving the HSF a small twist in each direction, what do you all think about the twisting?
Thanks
I always give the HSF a twist after installation. I have tried with & without the twist. It helps spread out the tim.
I twist the heatsink before mounting, that way it help spread out the TIM then when apply pressure; its perfect.
wow thanks alot for the quick replies guys.
I thought I would post some raw image results from overclock.net along with thermals. Nice clean prints. The 8A was a before a "washer mod" and 8B was after the "washer mod"
The increase in performance matches nicely with the increased contact and pressure (actually is as good as a couple of the better ones I have on file)
It's a nice illustration which you people already know and reinforces probably the most recommended forum troubleshooting solution to cpu thermal problems - Lap and tighten/balance the sink.
Thanks tkl.hui for the extra effort, much appreciated
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...age8a8bocn.jpg
Started another IC Diamond Giveaway @ MaximumPC today if you missed the last one here and are a member of the MaximumPC forums you might qualify for a free tube.
I have not forgotten our Canadian brothers if you missed our giveaway here
I have a Canadian giveaway in the works and somebody to sell it:D
Mr. tastee;
Free stuff is always nice but there are those things in life you buy that are just excellent items and worth what you pay for them. Yours is one.
It's a no BS just plain works as designed item..
Now I have an order coming in from Petra's this week and you can see what heads the list.
Thanks again for an excellent product.
Name Code Qty Each Options
------------------------------------------------------------------------
IC Diamond 24 Carat IC24-TIM 1 19.99
Thermal Compound (~5g)
(Shipped)
UPS Tracking Number:
1Z018R8R0341094511
XSPC Delta V3 Universal XSPC-DELTAV3 2 41.99
CPU Waterblock (775,
1366, AM2, etc.)
(Shipped)
UPS Tracking Number:
1Z018R8R0341094511
Danger Den/Bits Power G14DBFB12 4 2.50
"Fat Boy" Fitting (G 1/4"
Thread, 1/2" OD)
(Shipped)
UPS Tracking Number:
1Z018R8R0341094511
1-1/4" Black-Oxide Steel TCHILL-SCR-BLK 4 0.75
Thermochill/BIP/BIX Fan
Screws (Pack of 4)
(Shipped)
UPS Tracking Number:
1Z018R8R0341094511
Swiftech SmartCoils 625 SMRTCLS625-UVBLU 1 2.95
(for 5/8" OD Tubing) - UV
Ocean Blue
(Shipped)
UPS Tracking Number:
1Z018R8R0341094511
Subtotal 119.92
Shipping 10.83
Tax 0.00
Total 130.75
Well put Dave. :up:
I've had good results with the Diamond 7 (so good that I shipped some of the free Diamond 7 that tastymannatees gave us to test to our friend in Belgium). Next time I need some TIM I'll be buying some more Diamond 7.
Hey, thanks for the feedback always appreciated
How is this for ambitious? 44 pastes tested
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...REVIEWLABS.jpg
Just shows what we already know.
I can understand, has to be tough breaking into this market where every 16 year older thinks AS5 is the ONLY thing to use..
Over all my machines plus the ones I've built for people your product averages 4C better.
4C when your tossing together a high end Nehalem that to get just down to the low 60's on air is tough is where your product shines.
Also nice when your doing a cheapo P4 netburst in some midtower thats marginal for flow.
That 4C just adds that little "edge"..
Many Thanks for making this.:up:
Just bought me a Giganormous Tube From Petra's:D
Hopin I set a all ne world Record Temp Drop.....anythings gotta work better then Mayo!:p::rofl:
I ordered a tube of this cool laboratory liquid pro just to try because I have went to D7 on everything I run now. That liquid pro stuff seems like it could work good but God is it a pain in the butt. I feel tim should be put on and be done with it. This liquid tim you have to do an hr worth of work to get ready to apply it. I like the way it looks but I am not impressed with the results at all.
I will stay with my D7! It works better then anything else I have ever used.
Got my tube today:) Whats general results for burn in time frame from you guys please?
From my experience, no real burn in time. The more pressure the better. This is good stuff. :up:
I am not going to use ic diamond again, it left quite ugly pits in both the cpu and heatsink (both lapped). So after taking it off I had to lap them both again, could be because copper is quite soft and diamonds are ... well ... hard as diamonds. I don't understand the 44 tim round up, metalpad should, if applied correctly, perform on par with liquid pro. I just put in on my gpu, will report back with temps
Really none.. a slight decrease in temps after a few hours but basically what you see is what you get..
I noticed a almost standard 4c drop over AS5 across the board..I do a thin line vertically and another horizontally and then move HS back and forth gently as if seating a brick into cement. Gives me a nice spread on the TIM.
Surprised to hear this. I used this on one lapped cpu and saw no effect on the cpu itself.
Sorry this happenned to you.
Possibly something left on the cpu other than the TIM?
I don't think it had anything to do with residu, they where absolutely clean when I applied. I had pits in a circle at the end of the spread of the tim, quite ugly. This happened as well on my gpu. Could be I had a bad batch or something like that with the diamond powder not fine enough or sticking together maybe?
Yes, I have not red anything like what happened to me, so I guess it is a specific problem related to me. Could also be because I polish after lapping and this makes the surface too soft for ic diamond? What is the shelflife of the product because i remember pushing like a madman to get some out, could it have dried out?
Possibly on the polishing.. The stuff is pretty hard to get out so I doubt it was na age issue.
My one suggestion would be for bigger "ears" on the tube to get a better grip especially for us folks with big hands.
I can palm a basketball and use both hands to get it out and control the location of where the tim goes..