i'm looking at buying one of these boards... how is it?
can i expect a 400~450mhz fsb?
iluvintel, why are you switching to the DP6?
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i'm looking at buying one of these boards... how is it?
can i expect a 400~450mhz fsb?
iluvintel, why are you switching to the DP6?
MSI board has 1.58v max Vcore and only 4 phase cpu power circuitry. Can't seem to find any mods either in XS.org's forums. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by b0bd0le
I could only get max 416mhz FSB with my E6600 B2 stepping (9x multi) to boot into windows with.
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Originally Posted by IluvIntel
That aint exacly what I would call a bad overclock:D
Don't tell anybody but I already have a P5B Del on the way. :sofa:Quote:
Originally Posted by IluvIntel
Is there a mass exodus away from this board or something?!
:dammit:
I'm staying with mine. Other than it won't do a restart from windows it's been solid as a rock. 370 fsb on an e6700 and 380 on an e6600 but both chips are topping out before the mobo. Downward multipliers would be nice though.
Oh and first post. Howdy!
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:welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by LuVPiloT
I agree, any other board out there is not going to give you much more anyway. They all have their issues, a P5B Del may get you a higher overclock but the performace will be about the same esp in gaming.Quote:
I'm staying with mine
Infact most of the overclocking walls I have run into with Conroe is it's extreme heat output when overclocked, these chips are the hottest I have ever used. I can not run any higher, not becouse of my mobo but cpu temps.
I think one is way better off using a tight board with lower clocks and volts rather than a loose board with high clocks which tend to need more volts.
However if you are looking for a mobo that will break records, this board is not for you, lol.
BTW, does anyone know if Speedfan works on this board yet:confused:
The bios and its subsequent betas was bugging the crap out of me...:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumanji
Rodman, I know what your saying this is a powerful board clock for clock, but this board simply does NOT suit some people's hardware. I have Corsair C3s RAM with a E6400 and I simply cannot push this CPU to its limits at 375FSB and wondering if my PC is going to boot up today? MSI has feeble attempt with these 2 beta bios has been nice, but in the end its just not cutting it.
Using the ASUS has some small drawbacks, mainly its lesser power clock for clock, but it more than makes up for it with the high FSB that matched with a budget CPU (6400) and high OCing RAM can work a LOT better than the MSI.
The choice here is pretty obvious for a E6400:
1) MSI board - 375FSB X 8multi = 3Ghz
2) Asus board - 500FSB X 8-7-6 = Whatever the CPU tops out at?
Option 2 is MUCH better especially when the board boots reliably. :banana:
Yeah, i975X boards are not very good for E6400 and for sure for E6300 overclocking... but with E6600 it's a very good choice.... BUT...
That MSI has SEVERE memory problems... I got around 5*2 sticks here, different types of memory... none of them run good on the MSI 975X PE... and I mean freqs around 700MHz are a problem... same memory, same hardware.... on Gigabyte DS3 - different story...
double post :(
Quote:
Originally Posted by TodB
Ouch, I've tested TeamXtreem 667 3-3-3, GSkill HZ and Patriot PC8000XLBK and all do over 800 without errors. Actually with shipped bios I was able to run 1000mhz with 1.25 divider with Patriot at 4-4-4-8, SP2004 stable for 4hrs then crash. Funny how with either 7.14 or .15 bios I unable to duplicate it.:mad:
tried with A-DATA DDR667/800 cl5 (both run 900MHz/5-5-5-15 on DS3), one set 2x512MB Corsair DDR2-675 cl4 (runs perfect 960MHz 4-5-4-10 on DS3), one set 2x1GB Patriot DDR2-667 cl5 (run 880MHz/5-5-5-15 on DS3)..... none of them run stable 750MHz+ on the MSI... no matter what voltage and/or timings... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX
Are you suppose to still hook up the Molex pwr to this board even if your card has PCIEx pwr...(7800gtx)
"solid as a rock" and "won't restart" is quite contradictory.... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by LuVPiloT
but welcome to Xtreme...
I would, it can't hurt.Quote:
Are you suppose to still hook up the Molex pwr to this board even if your card has PCIEx pwr...(7800gtx)
I tried to set this board up over the last couple of days and now I'm giving up on it. I'm gonna stick with my P5W DH until something more stable & overclocking friendly comes out. This board did allow me to set less cpu voltage than the P5W DH while overclocking but the restarts & cold boot are far too annoying for me.(It doesn't random restart while in windows, it won't restart after setting bios) I've concluded I may have a weaker 6600 or my G. Skill may be too picky. IN anycase its been over a week since I've gamed and I'm just ready to get back to gaming. My max oc with the asus was 3.2ghz and required 1.5vcore to be set in bios for an effect 1.46-1.48vcore under load. This MSI board seems to have some potential and is a lot less complicated than the asus but the bios needs alot of work for stability. I tried the 700, 714 & 715. Gonna sell the board while it still has value and wait for something from dfi, or better bios for the P5W DH. SLI did work on this board by the way & I had it up to 389 FSB for an effective 3.5 ghz with 1.58vcore set in bios. I primed @ 378 FSB 1.55vcore set in bios for an effective 1.51vcore under orthos. This is 200mhz faster than what I got with the P5W DH. Pretty decent clocking board for E6600 owners, but not if you have a bum chip like mine since there's only 1.58vcore available. The restarts and cold boots are just too much for me to put up with right now.
wow, check out these clocks
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/875...ddr2882xs8.jpg
Its by sson74.
http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=100310.0
Is it only me or is the cpu-id namestring really weird? Core 2 Extream?
English isn't the first language of the program's author(s) so it shouldn't be too surprising that there might be the odd slip or two in spelling :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mackanz
Its painful to see that C2D clocked higher than my PD lol.
there is a 716 bios out apparently, can anyone that has it host it up please
Great just as I've finished boxing the thing up, taking pics, and preparing to put it on ebay:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Core2Extremist
Unpack it ;)
Awesome oc. My board tops out at the same fsb. If MSI could get these rebooting probs figured out and maybe give us a little more headroom (450-475MHz) than this would be a killer board.Quote:
Originally Posted by cupholder2.0
716 BIOS seems to have a lot of potential, but I found something interesting.
Someone mentioned that 400+FSB is nearly impossible on this board, then someone else chimed in with how come other 975x boards can do that?
Then..
Hmm..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodman @ MSI
If someone trys this new bios, reports more than 1.58vcore available, and that when setting overclocks in bios system will restart fine, I'll give it a try again. All this also must happen before someone buys it off ebay as its already listed & boxed up ready to ship.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by NickS
lads...i ordered the msi 975x today and instantly requested an rma because i read this thread and then looked at the gigabyte ds4, i also notice the p5b deluxe is well over the 500mhz fsb barrier now also.....
so...its in my eyes between the gigabyte ds4 and the p5b deluxe.....
i very very nearly sold my E6400 e.s. today but luckily i started reading these threads again......i sold my badaxe and need a new board for the weekend....so i must order tomorrow....im also sitting with a retail E6600 and these are getting good clocks with new bioses on the p5b deluxe, anyone tried the gigabyte with this chip?
(moderators...sorry for going off topic...urgent help required!!!)
please help me chose....
regards
gordy!:confused:
P5B duluxe is your answer, but I think your going to regret not getting the MSI once they have straightened out the kinks with bios improvements.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjagordy
I vote P5BD
Well some people still have faith in it. Mine sold in 1 hour 10min on ebay $175 buy it now:D
I will gladly try out the new 716 bios. I'm having a great deal of difficulty finding it though , if someone could upload it, i'll be the guinea pig and will report back the results/whats changed.
see this is what i mean.....lol......im leaning towards the p5b deluxe at the minute, and...the 975 has to be physicaly sent back by me (lol) as its not arrived yet........the other reason for the p5b is that i see loads of reviews saying that retail e6600's are getting 4ghz stable easily with the latest bios.....
what to do......lol!:eek:
I would like to test 716 too. Please upload
Considering the P5B myself, but first I'm gonna try for a better clocking 6600:(
When I get a working chip, I'll contact MSI engineers and get the skinny on the chipset timings. :)
Now this is funny shyt! :D Please point us to those loads of reviews... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjagordy
look around you matey...if i can find the reviews then im sure you can...found a good few going on the latest bios released for the p5b deluxe....or...i wouldnt be thinking of it as a choice......;)
That's what thought.... Funny shyt... Enjoy your P5B and please post some of those stable 4Gig screenies. :) :) LOL
This is taken from anandtech's review & I barlely even trust them. But still even they say that 975's are better by the numbers.Quote:
While the new BIOS on the P5B adds enormous flexibility to the 965P motherboard, it should still be pointed out that on average the 965 still does not overclock as well as the Intel 975X if you compare clock to clock. You might want to look back at the 975X overclocking results in Conroe Buying Guide: Feeding the Monster for a comparison.
Taken from techreport.Quote:
That leaves the P5B Deluxe Wifi-AP Edition, which is best for south bridge Serial ATA RAID junkies and enterprising overclockers. If I had to pick one for my personal workstation, the P5B would be it, but I'd disable that pathetic PCI Gigabit Ethernet controller right away.
I've yet to find 4 ghz on retail 6600's but they do seem to like the board.
my mistake...e.s. E6600's.... (never read properly....) anyways, the new bios does seem to be doing wonders with the e6600 on the p5b deluxe.....
still in thought.....
:confused:
716 uploaded see this at msi forums
http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=100379.0
Thank you kind sir, I will be trying it now. :clap: Will be back soon (hopefully if bios doesn't freeze :( )
everyone let us know how this goes! i will have mine tomorrow so i can test along wiht you folks, but now i have to live vicariously through you!
test all night don't sleep!
Quick update. Ok flashed successfully to 716. Bios boot up says 71B6 though. Haven't tried raising FSB yet, but I did check out voltages and options. Vcore max is still 1.58 (vdroop 1.55v) Max Vdimm is 2.4v dividers are 1:1 1:1.25 1:1.33 1:1.5 1:2. ( I believe, bad short term memory) Nothing seems like it has changed as far as options. Will report back in a few.
Seems to have fixed the cold boot issues. I cold booted 3 times each time off for a few minutes and each it posted at 400x9.:woot: Also now when you make changes in the bios it will shut down then power back up just like it did when you cleared cmos and started over.
I a bit disappointed that there wasn't more memory options or voltages increased. Ocing seems the same. Set vdimm and PCI-E max used Speedstep to lower multi and clockgen to raise and still same results as before.
Might need to throw in my 6400 and see what happens. Bottom line, same options but atleast MSI I think figured out the booting issues. Will try the restarts now.
Ok seems restarts are still not a go. Had to power down, again it did power up with my current OC in sig.
Thanks MSI for trying. Looks like it only fixed cold boot problems.
I could only get to 416mhz FSB on this board when I had it, but I believe it was the Vcore at only 1.58 max in bios that limited me on my E6600 B2 stepping chip. Now playing with Giga DQ6 mobo...:bravo:Quote:
Originally Posted by NickS
Is it worth flashing from 715 to 716 for me? Any performance improvements?
I've contact MSI... and going to wait for a response back. Hopefully they will meet my demands for a good bios with some special adjustments. Time will tell my friends.
i would love some more voltage freedome. and MSI needs to look at it this way, if we kill their board with overvolting they get to sell another board!
My board has already been taken care of in the bios voltage "freedom" department. ;)
Okay guys I've been keeping this board on the side till they unlock the multi's so I haven't had too much time on it, but seems people are interested on 400+FSB so Here some SS I whipped up today, I kinda did a have ass job on mounting my cascade and didn't have enough time to redo the mount and contact so, All the results are of 10x to see what max FSB is and not max clocks.
Setup:
X6800 Retail @10x450
4x 512MB 8000UL Fattys 1:1 4-x-x-x
MSI 975 X V2 715B Stock HS with fan
7950GX2 Stock
2x80GB Seagate 3.0 + 1x74raptor in Raid 0
PC P&C 1KW
Vcore 1.7v modded
Vdimm 2.75v. modded (the mods are here (kyosen's I think), do a search, if you can't find it PM me)
Pcie 1.8v (set in Bios)
1. 450x10 4500Mhz SPi 1M
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4...0fsbaj8.th.jpg
2. SPi 2M
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/9...pi2mck5.th.jpg
3. SPi 8M
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2...sb8maw2.th.jpg
4. Everest Mem Test
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9...restac0.th.jpg
5. Cinebench
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1...enchnl6.th.jpg
6. Sandra Bandwidth Buffered
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2...bfmbhh0.th.jpg
7. Sandra Unbuffered
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8...bfmbej8.th.jpg
8. Sandra Cache (This I guess tells you how the boards strapping the chipset)
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6...achemv2.th.jpg
9. Aquamark with 7950GX2 stock HS clocked @ 600-800
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1...212ktv0.th.jpg
10. Now all just SPi 1M to see max fsb 460x10
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9...0fsbsa1.th.jpg
11. Finally the Max FSB without vmch mod or phase on chipset, I think some more left, but wouldn't be worth the time without mods & cooling
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4...b467xj9.th.jpg
Just a note: Well I notice there's a new bios so this may not be a problem anymore but here goes anyway, I'm thinking the boards problem with booting and sticking the bios setting has alot to do with MSI Dual cell bios recovery and chipset strapping, if you guys notice most 975X board do a full shutdown to reboot after changing to a high clock FSB or changing the straps on the chipset, but I think MSI can't do that correctly because if you ever owned a MSI with Dual Cell Bios, you'll know hitting the reset 2times will reset the Overclock to default. Every time it get stuck after a settings change, the board hangs in code 26 of my debug card. I notice thats where the voltages change during a successful boot. So, I figure, if it reboots to change settings it will trigger the Dual Cell to reset, so it just hangs? I found that I just have to wait abit and let it hang for 20-30 secs then I hit the reset myself, about 98% of the time it reboot with the setting I wanted (only hit it once or if you hit it twice you'll be reset to default). Well thats my 2Cents,but I maybe completely off and barking up the wrong tree:D
Wow nice clocks and thanks for all the great info :).
sson74, why is your vdimm set so high? I would have thought that with your high spec ram you could run at default voltages and easily reach 1:1 even with an FSB of 467!
System specs OCZ Gold XTC x 2GB, E6400 BIOS 716
Test 1 FSB 320, Ram Divider 1:1.25 (=DDR800), VDIMM 2.15V
passes memtest no problem
Test 2 FSB 375, Ram Divider 1:1 (DDR 750), VDIMM 2.15
No Post (won’t post past 350)
Test 3 FSB 375, Ram Divider 1:1 (DDR 750), VDIMM 2.2
Post but errors on Memtest
Test 4 FSB 375, Ram Divider 1:1 (DDR 750), VDIMM 2.25
Passes Memtest 1 pass tested so far
Test 5 FSB 400 Ram Divider 1:1 (DDR 800) VDIMM 2.1
Posts no problem. passes memtest no problem
I sent back my first pair of OCZ memory thinking the memory was defective, as it failed memtest. Also tried the same test on GSkill F2 6400 PHU2 1GBNR ram, same results need to overvolt the ram is running at 1:1 divider but not if I run FSB 320 with 1:1.25 divider.
Which begs the question why do I need more voltage when the divider is 1:1 at DDR 375 versus Test 1 where the Ram is running DDR800 at stock VDIMM by using a divider? Poor Voltage regulation on this motherboard? This seems to agree with the results by sson74 as he needs alot of VDIMM to reach high FSB.
I'll post this at the MSI forums to see if I get any good answers.
i had it like that from before, and, i just wanted to run some numbers really quick for fsb, didn't bother to change anything from my prior session.Quote:
Originally Posted by idioms
But I must say running 1:1 @450+ needs more volts than @ 4:5.
Edit: here's a SS at 11x431 with tighter timings and higher clocks yet look at the BW and compare to the 450x10 @4-x-x-x everest above
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1...0mhzgj6.th.jpg
What effect does raising the PCIe voltage have on the graphics card? Are any of its internal voltages changed by this?
Well, I haven't notice anything on this board but I keep the speed @ 100 (I assume you know PCIE volts=Vmch).Quote:
Originally Posted by idioms
This is a good read about vmch(pcie) volt
first observations
1. The cold boot issue is better but still not fixed. for clocks higher than 360 I still get the issue.
2. Reboot still doesnt work
3. No improved overclocking
4. No additional options
Overall, it "feels" a little more stable so its worth updating especially if you are clocked under 360 FSB. A couple of times at FSB 360 the bios hung on me, this didnt happen at 333, 380 or 400 i would be interested to see if anyone else sees this behaviour
I think something happens in bios at FSB 360, maybe a change in chipset strap .. the board seems to consistently have issues at this exact point (FSB 358 works perfectly and consistently)
There is definitely something going wrong in dual corecell, I had to reset after upping the FSB to 380 (back to 266), so i started increasing FSB again, set it at 333 .. I then shutdown, started up and up came FSB 380!
I wonder if there is a way to "disable" dual corecell? or force it to use a single "cell"
update
This is spot on. those of you that are having trouble getting to FSB 400 should try this. I find it quite difficult to consistently get this board over the 360 hump but this piece of advice has improved my hit rate considerably .. you have to wait at least 20 seconds .. perhaps something is being replicated between the two core cells? you then get a warm boot from reset and this seems to help with the higher FSB.Quote:
So, I figure, if it reboots to change settings it will trigger the Dual Cell to reset, so it just hangs? I found that I just have to wait abit and let it hang for 20-30 secs then I hit the reset myself, about 98% of the time it reboot with the setting I wanted
On the downside i still get the cold boot issue
could someone post a vcore mod in an easy n00b manner for me?
ok guys, when I overclock to anything past 370fsb, the pc boots to windows. I've got it to boot to windows @ 3.9Ghz, but when put underload, it reboots. Is this the reboot issue you guys are speakin of? I maxed out voltages on everythin, vcore, ram, pci e. what could it be. my E6700 is lapped and watercooled. temps are 57-61 underload at 1.52 vcore and @ 3.7-3.8 Ghz.
Nope. For me this board doesnt reboot from windows when FSB is set past 360, it just hangs. (interestingly it does reboot at FSB less than 360 .. i would be interested to know if you guys with higher multi's get this problem earlier than FSB 360?)Quote:
Is this the reboot issue you guys are speakin of
for you hotrodtheman i'm almost certain you have reached the highest speed your cpu will go at vcore 1.58 (you meant to write this right? 1.58 is the max this board can do .. although it probably is 1.52 after vdroop) .. welcome to the wonderful world of volt modding.
Lol. I hear ya on the volt modding, and maybe putting money aside for a vapochill... im serious. I had it maxed out at 1.58v @ 3.8ghz and 3.9ghz and it still rebooted under load. I was giving temps of the core at 1.52 which is what it runs at 24/7 (1.48 after vdroop I believe) Anyways, good luck guys. I'm happy with a 1ghz overclock for now. I'm gonna keep an eye on coolalers thread and see how that DFI is working out. Hopefully in the near future money will be better and I can change boards :)
http://www.nickfire.com/msibios/975x...p/7246v716.zip 716 BIOS, re-hosted. :)
Not sure with this statement. For me if I change FSB settings more than say 30 the board will hang after saving to cmos. When it hangs I just hold the power button for 3 sec, board shuts down then I fire her up and she boots fine with last settings every time.Quote:
So, I figure, if it reboots to change settings it will trigger the Dual Cell to reset, so it just hangs? I found that I just have to wait abit and let it hang for 20-30 secs then I hit the reset myself, about 98% of the time it reboot with the setting I wanted
MY problem is no matter what FSb I am at if I run anything but 1:1 memory I will get a cold boot hang. The rig will pass everything i throw at it running up to 1000mhz memory speed and will even restart fine as well. It's when I shut down the rig, go get a soda or even go to bed, when I go to power up again the board hangs and will not go into bios untill 3 restarts at which time bios is set back to 266fsb:mad:
I just do not understand how this board can run my CPU at 3.7ghz and 1000mhz memory, crushing everything I throw at it in Windows and then the next morning refuse to boot:stick:
Maybe there is a cirtain way we are supposed to save to cmos for the bios to save and hold and then be happy with the new settings.
rodman, I'm interested to see if you can still run memory at 1000mhz with any bios besides the shipped 7.0. I could also run my ram at those speeds but neither of the new beta's will allow me to.
I really see no reason for most to flash to any other bios as 7 does the job just fine. I would flash back if I were you Racer. Untill an official bios comes out that fixes the CPU ratio select and running memory over 1:1 I see no reason to flash the bios.
Who really cares if bios does not report cpu speed correctly in bios, Windows and benchies tell me 3.8 is 3.8ghz, futhermore with my setup this board is very fast, faster than anything I have tested;)
Oh, yae. I did some testing today running diff memory dividers, namely 1:1 and 1:1.25. I ran the memory@902mhz@4-4-4-10 @3.6ghz or 360fsb. Then I ran ran memory at720mhz@3-3-3-8@3.6ghz or 360fsb. I used Aquamark as a test along with 3Dmark and found the scores to be within 100 points of each other.
I find this interesting since running the memory at a higher bandwidth really did not provide any more performance in Gaming situations. It really felt like I had an A64 with results like this. I will say that running 902 mhz did result in higher benchmarks but not by much at all, nothing a gamer would notice.
So with that said I don't see the need for running high bandwidth on a conroe, rather tight timings and lower speeds will give you plenty of performance unless you need every point in a benchmark. Infact I don't really need the fix for the memry divider on this board as it really won't help me that much.
Try it out for your self and see:)
I got some connections @MSI and right now they're testing the "cold/warm boot" issues, memory compatibility issues and thinking on unhiding the multiplier option ;)
lads....... what do i do?....my msi 975x power up has arrived, but i also have a p5b deluxe on order...................i have a "cool off" rma for the 975x as long as i dont open it.....but........what do i do....im dying to give it a shot.......
i know the p5b deluxe is definatley the higher fsb option and i have a E6400 e.s. and an E600 retail sitting....help me chose lads......
Gordy!:confused:
I'd go with the MSI. It can do 400FSB, we know that. Stable, in most cases too. That's more than enough for your E6600. TodB claims he has connections at MSI (wicked sweet :D) and says they're working on the boot issues. So yeah, I'd go with the MSI.
I can't get up to 400 FSB, at 390 its rock stable, but at 400 it fails. Tried everyting, I hope not, and it just wount be stable at 400.
E6600
Ocz 6400
vcore 1.56 - will not help to raise it to 1.58
pciev 1.65 - haven't touched
vdimm 2.2 - tried 2.1
1:1 5-5-5-15
Anyone got any ideas?
Watercooling, E6600 load at 54C max, watercooling at NB too.
Up your PCI-E voltage a notch or two and you'll prolly get 400Mhz stable ;)
PCI-E voltage = Northbridge voltage (MCH)
I tried now, even at 1.75 pciev 400 isn't stable, but at 390 it's stable at even 1.55 pciev.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickS
Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjagordy
MSI with E6600!
Quote:
Originally Posted by hifiking
Try cranking up the VDIMM a notch. I had to raise it to 2.25 to get things stable at 1:1 375 on my OCZ ram rated at 2-2.1 V.
I tried that now, and still unstable even at vdimm 2,35.Quote:
Originally Posted by alternaria
So I will stick to 390 and se how low I can go on the volts, and tighten my timings.
Yeah, I know some people, but that doesn't mean, that they will fix everything... I mean I don't know if they CAN fix everything... but will do my best to "push" them at least to try ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NickS
Nice one TodB, thanks :)
You bet.... I NEED to get that board to run like I should.... so imagine me kicking some serious butts @MSI for that ;)
No, serious - I really want that 975X to work like it should... and I'll do my best, like i'm the CEO of MSI and that's a 1st priority task :) .....well, sort of... :D :D
hifiking, what do you mean by "unstable"? Unstable booting windows? Unstable in windows? while doing superpi? or it just refuses to post?Quote:
I tried that now, and still unstable even at vdimm 2,35.
For me to get 400 FSB (on a E6400) it still takes several reboots and the sacrifice of a chicken .. of course once im in windows its as solid as a rock.
Have you tried setting FSB 390 in bios and using clockgen for the next 10Mhz?
You can also lower your multiplier in windows using speedstep, do this to see if your CPU has reached its threshold at that voltage.
Try tightening the timings on your memory down to 3-3-3-9 as well, this will give you an idea as to whether its the memory or cpu/chipset thats flaking out.
It really is a slow process of elimination to get past FSB 360 .. you're already at 390 so I'm pretty sure you could make 400 with a bit more work, you have to ask yourself though "is it worth it?" .. i would leave it, cross your fingers and hope for a new bios .. the cold boot issue makes working with anything above FSB 360 very frustrating.
ninjagordy, i would actually go with the P5B right now. From what i've read people are getting much better results with the new 0507 BIOS which has the bonus of an unlocked (downward) multiplier (which in all honesty probably isnt very useful .. upwards multiplier on the other hand is a different story).
If you are a gambling man though stick with the MSI. If a new bios comes out that fixes cold boot and unlocks the multi this could be the core 2 board de jour. I would think the odds are pretty good that the bios will be fixed eventually but it can be a real pain testing beta bios after beta bios.
Either way you are going to be flipping a coin as it appears there is a huge difference in how well individual boards overclock even from the same vendor. I believe the reason for this is that these chipsets were never designed to do FSB > 266 and binning would probably stop at this point so you have a pretty large margin of error in the manufacturing process. Give it about 4 months and i think we will see the motherboard vendors offering products that are binned at FSB 333. Everyone knows that the Core 2 chips themselves overclock like the clappers and I think some industrious board manufacturer will use this to differentiate their product
Thanks, my defenition of unstable is crash in 3dmark05, i passes the first 3 gpu tests, but fails at the first cpu test.Quote:
Originally Posted by idioms
I have no problems with booting or restarting.
My memory craps out at 360 if i put the timings tighter than 4-4-3-8
Which clockgen should I use?
Thats good. It means that you should be able to stabilize with tweaking. You just need to find which component is failing. I can't recall are you running an E6600?Quote:
Thanks, my defenition of unstable is crash in 3dmark05, i passes the first 3 gpu tests, but fails at the first cpu test.
clockgen: ICS945123 i think
loosen your ram out to 55515 and using a divider (use the latest 716 bios) see how far you can push the ram clock at your highest comfortable voltage. Check your ram temps if you are above v2.2, past this point your ram (which is only rated to 2.1) will probably start to heat up very rapidly and you'll need active cooling.
One peculiarity of this board (not sure if its true for all 975x) is that your ram needs to be set at high vdimm for high FSB, even if your ram is rated at that speed for much lower voltages. I have no idea why this is the case.
cheers for that one lads, i suppose on the right note, i can get a full refund on the 975x and if it turns out to be the best option i can get it at a later date.....
so its getting retuned today and hopefully my P5B Deluxe may be here this afternoon.....
cheers for the help guys, i will keep you posted on the results when it arrives.....
best regards
Gordy!:woot:
Yea, its the E6600, and my ram is covered by lifetime warranty at 2.2V But how do I check the ramtemps?Quote:
Originally Posted by idioms
Now I use this:
E6600, vcore 1.55v
OCZ 6400, 2.1v, 4-4-3-8, 1:1
PCIe volt 1.55v
FSB 390
And its stable in 3DMark05, just got my highest score; 13529. And SuperPI 14.391
I was told, that the techies in .tw are now trying to fix the warm boot issues.... and was given some new BIOS, W7246ims.71a.... you mau wanna try it on your own risk... :)
I'll be hosting it for a day or two, so somebody may wanna rehost it somewhere else :)
http://www.hardwaresight.com/pic/con...3/W7246ims.71a
Im glad that MSI is atleast doing something about the bios problems.
so i assume the 71a you're posting is newer than the 716? i just talked to their tech support an hour ago and they gave me 716.
I just updated to 7a, and it says 08/30/2006 in cpuz, is this the day the bios was made?
Well I dunno the release date... they just throw that BIOS at me to make me shut up for at least 12 hours... :) will see what will that BIOS do for me in some 2-3 hours...
Can't wait to hear the results!
I just tried the 719 bios from a post in msi forums.. my advice on that one is dont try it!
It gave me a 2c CPU temp.. rubbish!
It also gave a checksum error on first POST
As well as issues POSTing correctly (would start, shutdown. start, shutdown)
when it did try to POST without shutdown it would not display anything!
I wil try the 71a cos I hate these issues - if no improvement Gigabyte DS3 here I come!
On the 71A:
Wow! :banana: for the first time I can CTRL ALT DEL and actually continue to POST !!!
I'm gonna try to Windows reboot and see if it actually does it! BRB
Is it peanut butter jelly time yet with this bios?! :)
hey why dont you try it out ScottFern :stick:
Depends on what issues you've been having - I have plenty ..lol
It seems quicker, more stable.. mainly on the POST side of things - it's POSTed successfully more times than other BIOSes
I've only had it for an hour or two but I'm happy to keep it going.
ScottFernHow did you get your FSB up to 400????? I'm VERY interested to know! :D
I apologize for the false advertising. I am actually at 375FSB currently. The reason I haven't messed with the bios was frustration with the cold boot/warm boot issues and the fact I have a P5B on the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrobinRobin
I might try it tonight however. Your positive experience has convinced me to try it.
I will try the new bios, but stay away from 716. It has screwed up my stablity, Im not even stable at stock! The only way I could be stable using 716 was to underclock to 2.8 Ghz and raise CPU voltage to 1.48, Vdimm 2.2 and vMCH to 1.6.
Yeah I flashed to 716 and all of a sudden I started to get the reboot issues everyone else was having :mad: 71A is definitley the worst bios though. I couldn't boot at anything but stock! I think there is a setting in the BIOS that is causing certain things to happen such as the reboot issue.
If you guys feel like reading, this is a list of everything I have changed :
C1E - Disabled
Speedstep - Disabled
Floppy - Disabled
Other Boot Device - Disabled
System Bios Cacheable - Disabled
Spread Spectrum - Disabled
Auto PCI clock - Disabled
FSB 363 (3640 in windows) 1.51 Vcore (1.48)
Ram 1:1 363 3-3-3-10 (2.3V)
PCI-E 1.7V
Thats so weird how I can run prime stable at these settings for about 8 1/2 hours with 715, yet I flash to 71A and it won't even boot. I hope MSI engineers aren't having a very hard time fixing these issues. I got really pissed when I couldn't install Vista RC1 because of the reboot issue. Please iron these kinks out.