Is 2.69.2 out somewhere? I saw someone using it on another site. Thanks
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Is 2.69.2 out somewhere? I saw someone using it on another site. Thanks
2.69.2 is available from the beta section.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip
I didn't announce it because there were no real changes. The only change was a custom profile for one user to get his 45nm Quad looking more believable. He provided me with some hopeless looking data and I created a custom profile for him. He's happy now! :)
If you are using 2.69.1 then there is no need to download 2.69.2
I might have time later today to add a couple of features. It's too nice a day out at the moment to be inside programming.
Thanks
their is a specific calibration for Q6600 ? my vid is 1.3000V
Read the docs and follow the procedure as outlined there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAOTAO161
I have found that with an open case when you bring a Q6600 down to 1600 MHz and about 1.10 volts you should see idle temps about 5C or 6C above your air temp with a good air cooler. If you have a good water cooling system then try to get RealTemp to report idle temp on all 4 cores at about 4C above your water temp. It's not an exact science but a guide line which will get you pretty close to the real temperature.
Individually adjust your Idle Calibration factors to get all 4 cores equalized at Idle. This calibration will improve the accuracy of your reported temperatures from idle to TjMax.
Edit: I did a quick calibration of my Q6600 about 30 pages ago. I got lucky and found it on my second try!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1006
Finally had a chance to add in an alarm feature to keep CompuTronix happy. :)
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7397/rt2693cy2.png
It's only a visual alarm at the moment where you will see the application and the RealTemp system tray icons flash. I will be adding an alarm that you can also hear as soon as I find an appropriate .wav file.
I've found that Quad core processors at full load will usually have the first two cores reporting higher temps than core2/core3 so I've created the ability to set two different alarm points if you need to compensate for that. Single and Dual core processors will only have one alarm temperature to choose. The temperature range is from 0C to 125C and if you don't want an alarm then just leave it unchecked. You won't likely ever hear an alarm if you set it to 125C since that is believed to be the thermal shut down temperature of the desktop processors.
It's available for download in the beta section:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...alTempBeta.zip
Download, unzip and copy the new RealTemp.exe into your RealTemp directory.
To make room for this option in the Settings window I moved the Core Order to the main screen. It has been renamed APIC ID which is the technical term for it. If you have a Dual core you won't see this information since your APIC ID will always be 01. This information is only used for the grouping of the cores of a Quad core processor.
The other small feature added was a user selectable anchor position.
By default, if you do a double right mouse click on the RealTemp GUI, it will jump to the top left corner of the screen. If you would like it to jump to a different location then position RealTemp where you want it, hold down the Shift key and do a double right mouse click while holding it down. This will set a new anchor position.
Now when you double right click on RealTemp it will jump to this new custom anchor position that you have chosen. I realize that setting a new anchor position is a little cryptic but I'll try to document it early on in the New Features section. Other than that I guess it will be a special feature for the XS guys that RTFM!
If anything isn't working quite right with these new features then let me know. If you have any sounds that you would like to hear for an alarm then e-mail them to me. I'll try to code the final version so users can custom choose their own .wav file to play for an alarm.
A toilet flush would be appropriate!Quote:
Originally Posted by unclewebb
I've ordered new fans so when I get them I'll see about doing a little air / water comparisons. I'll record ambient air, water, idle and load temps uncalibrated, cpuz, screenshots when possible, is there anything else that would help?
That about concludes the basic feature set. There are a few more things I might add in the future like a Vista Widget but I guess I'll need to start using Vista for this feature to become important to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodButcher
If you do some testing, what I'm interested in seeing is how idle temps compare at 1600 MHz and 1.10 volts between water cooling and air cooling on the same processor. With the CPU putting out very little heat, I'm expecting to see a very small difference. Maybe as little as 1C. If we know this then people using water will know what temp they should be calibrating RealTemp to compared to their air or water temp.
ko uncle, will do.
Here's a thought,,, beeps or a klaxon when the proc gets hot and save the flush for when it's totally cooked!:smoke:
Now you got me curious, more interested in what difference is between Quad air and water, but for E8400 on air (Zalman) versus water (PA120.3, Dtekfuz, dedicated loop) at idle, undervolted was roughly 1C.
I first tested under water idle for few minutes, 6x200, 1.06vcore, case open to control ambients.
I removed my water block, and put on old Zalman ?9500, let idle for few minutes then printscreen, same testing conditions, same ambient, case open.
Then put water block back on, tested under same ambient and conditions and also fresh reseat, let idle for few minutes then printscreen. Still got same results for water.
When I calibrate realtemp with -2.2, core and cpu temp reads same, but I left calibration off...though probably could have left it on.
Hm, who should i belive now?
CoreTemp = 43°C
RealTemp = 28°C
HWMonitor = 43°C
43°C seems more possible to me considering ambient temperature is 25°C in my room... PC specs are below...
rge: Thanks for your testing. It confirms what I've always believed that when you reduce the MHz and core voltage, there isn't a lot of difference between a top notch air cooler and water. I don't think there would be any difference between a Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme and a good water set-up. Heat transfer is never 100% so your reported idle temp during a test like this is always going to be a few degrees above your air or water temp. With my E8400 and a Tuniq tower, I found about 4C over is a reasonable expectation.
RejZoR: About 6 posts before yours I posted this which takes you through the calibration procedure.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1730
Do some reading about these sensors, calibration and what is reasonable. Idle temps 18C over your room temperature are not reasonable based on all of the testing that has been done in this thread. These sensors need to be calibrated for accurate idle temps. Other temperature monitoring programs have chosen to completely ignore this fact.
unclewebb,
Excellent work on Real Temp, and the alarm feature. I've emailed you two .wav files which might be potential candidates. Once again, thanks.:up:
rge,
Nice work on your air / water tests, and thanks for showing SpeedFan results. :clap:Your air and water CPU temperatures both agree with the calibration technique I use in my Temp Guide.:D
RejZoR,
Real Temp is correct, as it uses a Tjunction Max value of 85c for your E4300, which I'll bet is L2 stepping. Regardless of whether it's an L2 or M0 stepping, Tjunction Max 85c is correct.
Core Temp and Hardware Monitor still use an incorrect value of 100c for L2 stepping, which is why their results show 15c too high. Unclewebb has already proven this point during some of his earlier testing and analysis, so you can believe Real Temp.
Comp:cool:
Thanks CompuTronix for the vote of confidence. I think genquatr.wav might cause some one to go into cardiac arrest when that alarm goes off at 3:00 AM in their bedroom while doing an over night Prime run! :D I like it.
Thank you for all the effort unclewebb
I think I calibrated my E8400 and it looks pretty close, do you think I need a calibration adjustment?
Followed all steps in calibration link, have my mhz and voltage as close as I can get with my budget mobo.
Room temerature is 24c Thank You
No calibration adjustments made
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...alibration.jpg
You're welcome. I'm glad I could give something back to the XS community who have really helped me with this project.Quote:
Originally Posted by kpo6969
You better not tell anyone where you live. Users would kill for an E8400 that actually has accurate idle temps without needing a fudge factor to get there. Is this a recent batch? RealTemp will be out of business if Intel has finally sourced some 45nm digital thermal sensors that are accurate at idle.
Happy overclocking. :D
Bought from NewEgg in April 08
B# 808A169
So it's possible that mine is running at only 28°C (room temp is around 25°C).Quote:
Originally Posted by CompuTronix
Sure the cooler is good but can it be that good? But ok, if you say it's correct, i guess i have to belive you.
Oh and i've used "Test sensors" feature few times too in case guy above thinks i haven't... unless i have to do more than just click that...
EDIT:
Start Minimized doesn't work at all... I always get entire RealTemp on screen at startup...
RejZoR: For accurate idle temps you have to manually do the calibration as outlined in the documentation. Have you tried that yet and what were your results? Test Sensors only checks to see if your thermal sensors are working. It doesn't calibrate them for you.
Start Minimized is broken for some Vista users. I'll see what I can do about that this week.
Thanks. But seriously, consider changing the documentation to a step by step form or at least with more logical formatting. I'm all into computers for years and i'm still looking at the docs like total moron, not knowing what to do to properly calibrate this damn thing. It doesn't say anything about adjusting anything what so ever. It's just explaining the process in a very long way but when i want to sum up something i have no clue what i just read... Ok, so i click the "Test sensors" at lowest possible core temperature. Then what?! Is that it? Do i have to manually set anything in the settings?
"Test sensors" does just that nothing else. Testing the sensor does not calibrate anything. Low and slow gives you a place to start calibration because you can measure the air temp and add a few deg to get the core temp, this is what you calibrate or adjust on the settings page. to the right of "Idle Calibration" you can input your adjustments. -.5 or .5 to add. I have added to my cores the fopllowing values to balance the temps, .05, .05,1.0 and .08
http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/docs.phpQuote:
Originally Posted by RejZoR
btw: What does this mean?
"Oh and i've used "Test sensors" feature few times too in case guy above thinks i haven't..."
I just opened up the documentation and went to the Calibration section and I didn't read about clicking on Test Sensors anywhere in that section. Most users who have taken the time to read through the documentation have been very happy with the information they've been able to find there. I understand your complaint that it is wordy like this 70 page thread at XS is so I'll try to explain it in a point blank format so if something doesn't make sense then you can ask me to explain further.Quote:
Originally Posted by RejZoR
1) Go into the bios and set the multiplier to 6.0 and set the FSB to the default setting. Typically 266 MHz or 333 MHz depending on your processor. See the Intel Specs if you are unsure. Intel lists this spec as Bus Speed which is the equivalent of your FSB X 4.
2) Set your core voltage to approximately 1.10 volts.
3) Start up your computer and open up RealTemp.
4) Start up CPU-Z and confirm your core voltage and that your MHz is either 1600 MHz or 2000 MHz.
5) Open up your computer case and turn your CPU fan up to the highest speed if it is adjustable. The goal is to maximize your cooling and minimize the temperature of your CPU.
6) Let your computer idle for a few minutes until the reported Core Temperature has stabilized.
7) Your reported temperature should be 4C or 5C above the room air temperature near your computer with a Dual core processor and 5C or 6C above your room temperature with a Quad core processor.
8) Open up the RealTemp Settings window.
9) Go into the Idle Calibration section and enter any value between -3.0 and 3.0 for each core so that your reported temperature for each core is in the range outlined in step 7. At idle, the temps across all cores should be the same.
10) Re-boot and reset your bios settings to whatever you normally run at. The calibration that you just did will help improve your reported temperatures from idle to approximately 60C.
11) If you have any problems then e-mail me. The address is in the About... box of RealTemp.
I just like to say this is a good program, well done for all the hard work and effort Unclewebb.
I have a bit of a dodgy sensor on my quad, so much so that OCCT reports it as "overheating" (core2), yet your app it never ever goes over 61C on Core2.
Using a QX9650 @ QX9770 1.22VvCore, 1.12V VTT and 1.52V CPU PLL
If only more apps would use your algorithm as a plug in
John
Thanks JohnZS. All programs are reading the same info from the same sensors so I'm not sure what OCCT is reporting or why. The competition thinks their interpretation of the data coming from these sensors is right and obviously I think my interpretation is right. Good to hear that RT is working for you.
The PROCHOT# reading at the bottom of RealTemp shows you if a core is overheating. That's Intel speak for Processor Hot which is a signal from the processor that it is too hot and thermal throttling has begun to keep the temperature from getting any hotter. This data is separate from the DTS temperature data but is likely coming from the same sensors. Intel individually calibrates these processors so I'm assuming that PROCHOT# is working correctly even on CPUs with dodgy sensors. If the PROCHOT# boxes are clear in RealTemp then the CPU isn't throttling and it should be running happily at full speed.
I'm working with RejZoR at the moment trying to find out why RealTemp doesn't start minimized for some users. He has it in the Task Scheduler and found that he needs to set a time delay for it to minimize properly on start up. I tried to make RealTemp start up as quickly as possible but it looks like I might have to build in a delay option for Vista users. Whatever it takes to keep everyone happy.
In XP you can drag programs into the All Programs -> Startup folder. Does Vista have this option or do you have to use Task Scheduler?
If you have this problem with Vista then try setting a delay and see if that works. I'm not a fan of Registry mods but I might have to add that option so users can add it to their Start Up area that way.