Mine are labeled PC3200 :p: (and in reality, the PC3200's aren't that bad - they just LOOK bad when compared to these PC4000's :D )Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
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Mine are labeled PC3200 :p: (and in reality, the PC3200's aren't that bad - they just LOOK bad when compared to these PC4000's :D )Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
Any idea on how much the PC-3200 kit will cost, looks like a more viable option(to me) than the PC-4000 binned kits.
There's a guy on Ebay selling a few kits right now for ~$135 IIRC.......Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonDTM
Nice clocks & times man :)
MLII won't run 7ns MAL on this Ultra-D.
In terms of MAL, the sticks do play some part in the latency. But it's dependant moreso on your CPU and mobo....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
I have tested 2 kits and they are bad..when i say bad i mean the stick have realy problems to make to 260mhz 2-2-2-5 with 3.3v-3.7v+Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
These sticks behave weird indeed..... With me VX and level II i have no problem booting up to 3.90 vdimm, with the Teamgroup in it wont boot @ 3.8 or above... Ive ran both superpi 1M and pifast @ 265 vdimm 3,70v but memtest will fail pretty soon at anything over 255... I can bench me opteron up to around 3540 (150 divider = 253Mhz) as long as i use the VX or mushkin, with the teamgroup in i cannot make it over 3500 even with the slackiest timings, it wil bsod. I use them for the gaming rig now and they run 240 at 3.33v fine but for benching this aint gonna work im afraid.
so that's the ddr500 xtreem loc.o? i saw another post of yours with a cpu-z shot indicating such.
remember these are not the sam IC's as as VX or level2
these are .175 micron reruns
it would be great if we can figure out what could be changed to improve the performance.
possibly even something as simple as using a different spd chip or changing the quality/value of some of the resistors on the module.
Team will likely seriously consider doing what it takes to improve them.
some ppl can bench at 275mhz with these but it seems not all modules are equal.
where's hipro when you need him :D
Its the PC3200. This is max it will do and its not stable, times are getting worse compared to 265mhz. I dont think there's much to do. Im pretty sure Lastviking is right and the PC3200 stuff are the chips that wouldnt do PC4000 (as they already started binning up for them before the date on me sticks). What i dont understand is why i cannot use over 3.73vdimm with those though.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/loc_oc/2673.jpg
they were probably binning all the ones that could do 250 stable on 3.3volts yes.
and i guess one would think there is a weaker IC somewhere that is failing under voltage stress.
i think i'm going to try get a set of these into hipro's hands so he can take a look and figure out if any improvements can be made.
i'll try find out if team has the ability to make request to the IC manufacturers too. there is maybe a way that for a small price premium they could ask for an upgrade to the silicon wafer these are cut out of in order for us to get even better bh-5 sticks.
already we have one improvement in that they are on known good pcb's now and with Teams attitude and spirit we could help them create the best LL ram ever produced.
possibly even the pcb's could be improved by special request too.
although tccd that does well over 300 is on brainpower but then again they're never pushing 4volts.
imagine that with some adjustments to Teams production we could have 3.7volt LL ddr600 :D
the more ppl dream of this the more likely it will happen so everybody please help by daydreaming is all i ask.
desire definately helps to encourage reality along its path
Probably? More like definately ;) But more than likely, their binning process didn't involve sorting through every single stick produced, rather grouping the IC's by week and then taking a reasonable sized sample from each to determine the speed rating for the sticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by flytek
Although this sounds like a great idea, it wouldn't be an easy thing to get TEAM to redesign the layout or components on their currently manufactured RAM. It would cost them too much money to revamp a design which is already performing at/above expectations.Quote:
i think i'm going to try get a set of these into hipro's hands so he can take a look and figure out if any improvements can be made.
i'll try find out if team has the ability to make request to the IC manufacturers too. there is maybe a way that for a small price premium they could ask for an upgrade to the silicon wafer these are cut out of in order for us to get even better bh-5 sticks.
Yes, TEAM has a very influential position in the RAM industry. They've been able to secure IC's which many other companies haven't. As a matter of fact, it's rumored that TEAM has bought up the last supply of BH5 IC's and will soon be the only ones in the industry producing sticks based on them ;)
TCCD is never pushing 4V because the Samsung IC's can't withstand that type of voltage. Put anything over 2.8V into those IC's and they will degrade over time. BH5 IC's, however, are rated to handle upwards of 4.0V, but the problem in the past was finding a PCB which could supply that type of voltage. JEDEC pcb's topped out @ around 3.5-3.6V while BP808 tops out at a higher value (I don't remember what). In fact, BP815 pcb's can handle even more voltage than the BP808's but the trade off is that they don't scale as high as the BP808's. This new wave of PCB's (Brainpower) and their ability to handle higher voltages is a dual edged sword - on one hand, they have the *capability* to clock past the BH5's of old, on the other we're seeing just what happens when people feed large amounts of voltage into their memory for a sustained period of time as evidenced by the large amount of UTT deaths (part of it is due to the PCB/IC compatibility).Quote:
already we have one improvement in that they are on known good pcb's now and with Teams attitude and spirit we could help them create the best LL ram ever produced.
possibly even the pcb's could be improved by special request too.
although tccd that does well over 300 is on brainpower but then again they're never pushing 4volts.
imagine that with some adjustments to Teams production we could have 3.7volt LL ddr600 :D
Agreed :toast:Quote:
the more ppl dream of this the more likely it will happen so everybody please help by daydreaming is all i ask.
desire definately helps to encourage reality along its path
thanks for your info s7e9h3n
it seems to me that the .175 micron ic's are still in production since some are stamped late '05 and even early '06.
if this is true and Team has sucured virtually the entire production then they do indeed have strong negotiating power.
so what i'm saying is that over some time and by identifying any weaknesses a few possible improvements could be implemented base very largely on the current design.
i'm no expert here but if possible a number of things could be tried.
presuming that changing the pcb and trace layout would make too much of a design difference and cost too much there are still a number of things one could try.
i do realise that ddr1 is perhaps nearing EOL but these babies have been brought back to life based solely on enthusiast demand.
nobody would be running the .175 micron process today if it weren't for us enthusiasts.
there are deffinately a few things that could be changed without too much effort.
i don't know what but lets discuss them.
the most obvious thing would be to increase the thickness of the wafer hoping for better voltage response and cleaner signals.
the machines may not be able to handle this but what about .180, .185, .190 micron wafers?
is this a possibility?
if not the next thing to try imo is to see if another source of superior .175 micron wafers exist or maybe tweak the wafer production from the origional source for the results we desire.
on to the smd components.
the resistors other smd's, besides the bh-5 ic's, may have an effect too.
uprating those components to slightly better ones or merely changing brands could have an effect.
much like getting better quality capacitors on our motherboards
lastly the spd ic has caused trouble in the past for some modules and once again it may be possible to switch to a better unit without resorting to a design change.
anyway thats just a few ideas.
who's got any more? :D
I do superpi 32m @ 279MHz 2225 with 2x512 OCZ PC3500 Old BH5Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
I will post when I will get 280 :)
If thats on 9 multi or up the 279 screen would be nice until then.....:D
9x310 OCZ@279MHz :)
Pic please :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jmax_oc
Also, as 32M @ 279MHz 5-2-2-2.0-1T 2x512MB would be the best result we've all seen so far, we would appreciate if you "documented" it properly... Here are some samples of such runs:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=23
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=285
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=93
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...29&postcount=1
It would be better If you started a separate thread then... Thank you! :)
If you do, please leave a link here so we know where to look for it :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
No problem, I will give you several screens ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
279MHz spi 32M 2x512
I've also done 289.9MHz spi 32m with 2x256
I have read all the posts on Teamgroups memories and PC4000 rox like old BH5 ones ;)
I had a post in this thread that Computer Giants had not sent me the memory I ordered and had them take it off my cc. Last night they called and said they had 4 sets and did I still want some. I said yes and they said they would upgrade to overnight for free. I then deleted the cancel post and waited to see if they would come.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7...02130re.th.jpg
Just got them a few minutes ago and will slap a set in. Don't know if I should post in Stevens thread or start a new one.:confused: Will just put it in here as I don't do lots of ss, just a few good ones.:D
:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
Please let us know how they do ;) You're welcome to post here as others look to this thread for updates to where to buy them as well :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
cool dogsx2. first US retail sale. glad you got them.
those are the ddr500 right?
for some reason your 1600rez photo is out of focus :p
Yep, the 500's.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by flytek
Got my set today also from Team Research Inc., said they only recieved 5 sets all spoken for.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/Xtreem.jpg