x1600xt Out now! any one OC it?

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12-19-2005, 07:18 PM
sabrewolf732

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

if there would be widely available 6600 non gt cards with sli and good memory then they would beat the crossfire 1600 performence and price performence wise i think.

A 6800 can't hold a candle to a x1600xt, let alone a 6600gt.

6600gt->6800->x1600xt->6800gs. That's how the performance seems to be.
12-19-2005, 08:17 PM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

Two X1600XTs get 8,730 in 3dmark05 stock:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28422 (Btw, thats an X1800XT thats supposed to be mentioned, not XL --> Stupid Inq)

That's 71% efficiency for the X1600XTs in crossfire relative to the X1800XTs w/ 50% efficiency in crossfire.

Perkam

from what ive seen it looks like 1800 crssfire scales 60%+ in 2k3 but only 40% in 2k5? while the x850 crossfire scales 60%+ in 2k3 and 60% in 2k5... could 2.6ghz a64 already be limiting the 1800s in crossfire? :confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabrewolf732

A 6800 can't hold a candle to a x1600xt, let alone a 6600gt.

6600gt->6800->x1600xt->6800gs. That's how the performance seems to be.

i said 6600 sli, not a single 6600 or 6600gt.
6600 sli is faster and a better bang per buck than a 1600xt is what i said.
as i said, there are 6600 non gt sli capable cards at newegg for 100$

a 1600xt beats a 6800gs? i dont know... at stock maybe... but those gs cards oc to insane speeds i heard.

and you guys have to keep in mind!
theres barely any game that scales even close to as well as 2k3 and 2k5 with sli/crossfire!
some games only gain 10%!
12-19-2005, 11:12 PM
STEvil

hmmm... Sapphire X1600XT's with 256mb GDDR3 for $196 here in Canada (ncix.com).

Too bad they are sapphire though, sapphire seems to have issues :(
12-19-2005, 11:58 PM
zakelwe

Now that Ati's pricing structure has gone down for the X1600 it looks a pretty good bargain.

I wonder though whether the fast memory can make up for the 128 bit bus, especially in crossfire mode, compared to the, admittedly more expensive, 256 bit 6800GS?

Will be interesting to see. My feeling is it will be faster in 3dmark benchmarks but I am not so sure for games. Interesting compeition between the two.

Regards

Andy
12-20-2005, 12:51 AM
jrw

How would a X1600XT perform compaired with the Connect3D X800GTO @ 16 pipes you think?
12-20-2005, 02:54 AM
sabrewolf732

Quote:

Originally Posted by stryg

How would a X1600XT perform compaired with the Connect3D X800GTO @ 16 pipes you think?

x800gto will be faster IMO
12-20-2005, 02:56 AM
lawrywild

x1600xt might oc better and end up faster, plus you have HDR+AA and sm3.0...
12-20-2005, 03:03 AM
Tim

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrywild

x1600xt might oc better and end up faster, plus you have HDR+AA and sm3.0...

What you can't use...the card is too slow for anything...let alone HDR...the X1800XT is struggling with AA+HDR, and you think a $200 card can do it?

And it doesn't overclock better since the 6800GS runs way over 500Mhz for the core
12-20-2005, 04:34 AM
DrJay

Sorry to bring this up again, guys. I'm still trying to get this straight though. :cool:
After re-reading all the X1600 reviews I could find (including the links in this thread), it seems to me that saying the R530 has a 4x3 configuration is incorrect.
Since the R530 has only 4 TMUs (obviously not enough to keep up with 12 pixel pipes), its theoretical maximum, multi-textured fill-rate should be the same as the R515. And of course the 4 ROPs won't keep up either.
Just because there will be a bottle-necked performance and 12 pipes not fully put to use, does not mean they are not there.

- Corrections or different interpretations? (As if anyone needed an invitation. :D )
12-20-2005, 04:55 AM
DrJay

Now that I think about it, maybe the R530 could be described in traditional GPU terms as: 12 x 1/3, 5vp :)
12-20-2005, 05:03 AM
Protiv

7 pages of thread, and still no scores :brick:
12-20-2005, 06:58 AM
perkam

They're coming Protiv ;) Both from Saaya and Dillusion :up:

Perkam
12-20-2005, 07:58 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

hmmm... Sapphire X1600XT's with 256mb GDDR3 for $196 here in Canada (ncix.com).

Too bad they are sapphire though, sapphire seems to have issues :(

it does? who says that? :confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by stryg

How would a X1600XT perform compaired with the Connect3D X800GTO @ 16 pipes you think?

the 16 pipe gto would def beat it!

here, i was wondering the same so i compared the xbitlabs results from different reviews. the black bar on the x850xt score is the 1600xt score:

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3...otal7vc.th.gif

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3...otal7cl.th.gif

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7...pure1ek.th.gif

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7...andy2kk.th.gif

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4...pure7bn.th.gif

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4...andy6ja.th.gif

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/9...pure5qf.th.gif

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6...pure2cy.th.gif

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6...andy5au.th.gif

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7...andy7xk.th.gif

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4...pure0jo.th.gif

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/6...andy3vi.th.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrJay

Sorry to bring this up again, guys. I'm still trying to get this straight though. :cool:
After re-reading all the X1600 reviews I could find (including the links in this thread), it seems to me that saying the R530 has a 4x3 configuration is incorrect.
Since the R530 has only 4 TMUs (obviously not enough to keep up with 12 pixel pipes), its theoretical maximum, multi-textured fill-rate should be the same as the R515. And of course the 4 ROPs won't keep up either.
Just because there will be a bottle-necked performance and 12 pipes not fully put to use, does not mean they are not there.

- Corrections or different interpretations? (As if anyone needed an invitation. :D )

can you explain it more detailed? didnt get it :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Protiv

7 pages of thread, and still no scores :brick:

cards were sent out today from the shop, should be here tomorrow :banana:
12-20-2005, 08:41 AM
003

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmage

I would wait for X1700.. 24 pixel pipelines, 8 ROPs, 8 Texture Units, supposedly 256bit bus.

What?? The X1800XT only has 16 pixel pipelines!! Why would the X1700 have 24?? :stick:
12-20-2005, 09:41 AM
Always

Because the R580 will have 48....
12-20-2005, 09:57 AM
L@TrO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Always

Because the R580 will have 48....

Isn't it 48 shaders , but only 16pipes. ( 4 shaders per pipe) ?
12-20-2005, 10:11 AM
DEVIL K-ce

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Hi

I have to the test GECUBE Radeon X1600Pro 256MB mem 2.5ns default clocks is gpu 500MHz and memory 400MHz (800 DDR).

I overclocking this card only with air cooling and :brick: This card is not good for o/c. Higher clocks on gpu is 500@600MHz and memory 400@450MHz :mad: More MHz = artefacts on screen. Scores for this card is not good, riva tuner said me : 128bit RV530 4x1. Tested with Omega Catalyst 5.12, ATI Catalyst 5.13 beta and P4 2.66@3.92GHz.
12-20-2005, 10:21 AM
Lightman

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Originally Posted by L@TrO

Isn't it 48 shaders , but only 16pipes. ( 4 shaders per pipe) ?

emmmmmmm.....
3 shaders per pipe (3x16=48), same as x1600 but here we have 3x4=12

for x1700 it will have 24shaders (more than x1800) but 'only' 8ROPs and 8TMU (half of x1800) so preformance will depend on tasks (games) :D
PS. again x1700 is 3x8=24;)

SAAYA - i hope tomorrow you will give us some screenes from marks and pictures of cards :D :D
12-20-2005, 10:24 AM
Welz

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Originally Posted by Lightman

SAAYA - i hope tomorrow you will give us some screenes from marks and pictures of cards :D :D

SAYYA will deliver the goods :toast:
12-20-2005, 10:25 AM
Athens[2004]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim

What you can't use...the card is too slow for anything...let alone HDR...the X1800XT is struggling with AA+HDR, and you think a $200 card can do it?

And it doesn't overclock better since the 6800GS runs way over 500Mhz for the core

:fact:
12-20-2005, 10:26 AM
Lightman

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEVIL K-ce

Hi

I have to the test GECUBE Radeon X1600Pro 256MB mem 2.5ns default clocks is gpu 500MHz and memory 400MHz (800 DDR).

I overclocking this card only with air cooling and :brick: This card is not good for o/c. Higher clocks on gpu is 500@600MHz and memory 400@450MHz :mad: More MHz = artefacts on screen. Scores for this card is not good, riva tuner said me : 128bit RV530 4x1. Tested with Omega Catalyst 5.12, ATI Catalyst 5.13 beta and P4 2.66@3.92GHz.

apply my vgpu mod for this card!!
and how this is possible, x1600pro earlier in poland than in uk?? :stick: something is wrong ;)

PS 4x1 from riva tuner tells about ROPs (same as in x1300)
12-20-2005, 12:09 PM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightman

emmmmmmm.....
3 shaders per pipe (3x16=48), same as x1600 but here we have 3x4=12

for x1700 it will have 24shaders (more than x1800) but 'only' 8ROPs and 8TMU (half of x1800) so preformance will depend on tasks (games) :D
PS. again x1700 is 3x8=24;)

SAAYA - i hope tomorrow you will give us some screenes from marks and pictures of cards :D :D

hope so as well :D
night shift in one hour, i get home at 6am, then i will sleep until the cards arrive and will post scores then :D

btw, im confused about the configuration of the vpus...
whats the first number and whats the second number exactly?
whats 1300s configuration? 2x2? 4x1? 1x4? :hm:
1600 is 4x3, right? or 3x4?
and 1700 will be 8x3? or 3x8?
r520? and r580?
12-20-2005, 12:20 PM
bassv2

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

hope so as well :D
night shift in one hour, i get home at 6am, then i will sleep until the cards arrive and will post scores then :D

btw, im confused about the configuration of the vpus...
whats the first number and whats the second number exactly?
whats 1300s configuration? 2x2? 4x1? 1x4? :hm:
1600 is 4x3, right? or 3x4?
and 1700 will be 8x3? or 3x8?
r520? and r580?

x1300 is 32bit x 4 corssbar
12-20-2005, 12:39 PM
sabrewolf732

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

hope so as well :D
night shift in one hour, i get home at 6am, then i will sleep until the cards arrive and will post scores then :D

btw, im confused about the configuration of the vpus...
whats the first number and whats the second number exactly?
whats 1300s configuration? 2x2? 4x1? 1x4? :hm:
1600 is 4x3, right? or 3x4?
and 1700 will be 8x3? or 3x8?
r520? and r580?

afaik, x1300 = 4x1, x1600 = 4x3, x1700 speculated to be 8x3, r520 = 16x1, r580 speculated to be 16x3.
12-20-2005, 01:20 PM
Lightman

Yeap!

that's RIGHT sabrewolf732 :woot: :clap: :clap: :clap: :woot:

and xfire on r580 you will end .... with 96 programmable shader pipes; 32ROPs; 32 TMUs; 16 (or 20) programmable vertexs; ... :slobber: :slobber: :D :D :banana: :banana:

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