x1800--->9700marks(default) at 3dmark05?

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10-03-2005, 10:06 AM
wittekakker

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCR

+equips flame suit+

Can anyone speculate what this card would pull on 3Dmark03?

What does an '05 score of 9100 equal in an '03 run?

:flame: :am:

35k :confused:
10-03-2005, 10:40 AM
perkam

3dmark03 is more cpu dependent than 05, and 01 even more so... world of diff between fx + x1800 and a pressy + x1800.

What i want to know is what 900/1900 looks like in 3dmark01 :p:

Perkam
10-03-2005, 11:12 AM
HaLDoL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

Of course they are cherries, and all those ATi engineers are only just there to give them coffee, not helping them to do mods and so? You`re a PR dude, of course you won't tell us they are cherries.
Tell me, if the cards aren't cherry picked and if they are in mass production, how come the cards won't be available for another month?
10-03-2005, 11:39 AM
cadaveca

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS

who can guess the score????i have them to my hands.....if someone said the right one i will say it....
macci and sampsa together....

Default score?
Overclocked score at 856/1880???

http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=290690

It should be 14893 based on the sell sheets. but i find it weird that the sell sheets are 125% above 7800GTX for the X1800XT. my original thoughts were 12963 singlecard, but i have raised that score regardless of what you have said becasue of the sell sheets. :rolleyes:

I had $1400 set aside for 2 cards, but it doesn't look like this may be enough. :stick: Sheesh ATI...Sapphire can't be screwing you around that bad...like c'mon now. :stick:
10-03-2005, 11:52 AM
Ubermann

"Shader model 3.0 DONE RIGHT" it says, what do they refer to then ?
10-03-2005, 12:23 PM
Cooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

I hope this is also belongs to RV515 chips. Those X1600XT 256 MB looks fantastic :slobber:
10-03-2005, 12:23 PM
Sampsa

Hi guys, back from Ibiza. I'm tired as hell but it was worth it.

Please let me clarify few things:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaLDoL

So after Macci, Sampsa sold out to ATi?

ATI invited around 90 of European, Middle east and Russian press to Ibiza for briefings and benchmarking. I've been running the largest hardware and overclocking site in Finland called Muropaketti (http://www.muropaketti.com) now over six years and I deal with different manufacturers daily (including ATI and NVIDIA). One of our strength is that me and my friend Kamu have also been doing quite well in overclocking scene so while other editors were running normal benchmarks at Ibiza I got a chance to play some overclocking with macci (who was also invited to Ibiza but only for overclocking because he is not an editor. Just like he was invited to Toronto just before the Crossfire announcement).

NVIDIA provided me and some other overclockers 7800 GTX cards right before the launch and so far I've been able to push them with Kamu to 16742 in 3DMark05. Now ATI is bringing their next generation cards to market so I'm of course very interested to see how far I can push them.

Then the most important thing: so far (for me) there is no money involved to this (neither with NVIDIA).... samples yes (just like all other press and some overclockers in the world).

I'm more than happy to answer R520 related overclocking questions as soon as NDA lifts.

You can expect some overclocked numbers from me hopefully on Thursday together with full review of R5xx series (in Finnish)

:toast:
10-03-2005, 12:31 PM
Cooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS

who can guess the score????i have them to my hands.....if someone said the right one i will say it....
macci and sampsa together....

What`s the price ? Brand new X1800XT with yours and Macci`s signs on it ? :D
10-03-2005, 12:33 PM
hipro5

Way to go Sampsa........... :) :toast:
10-03-2005, 12:37 PM
L@TrO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

You can expect some overclocked numbers from me hopefully on Thursday together with full review of R5xx series (in Finnish)
:toast:

Let's hope you'll use a lot of screens in that review :)
10-03-2005, 12:37 PM
Jort

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

Hi guys, back from Ibiza. I'm tired as hell but it was worth it.

Please let me clarify few things:

ATI invited around 90 of European, Middle east and Russian press to Ibiza for briefings and benchmarking. I've been running the largest hardware and overclocking site in Finland called Muropaketti (http://www.muropaketti.com) now over six years and I deal with different manufacturers daily (including ATI and NVIDIA). One of our strength is that me and my friend Kamu have also been doing quite well in overclocking scene so while other editors were running normal benchmarks at Ibiza I got a chance to play some overclocking with macci (who was also invited to Ibiza but only for overclocking because he is not an editor. Just like he was invited to Toronto just before the Crossfire announcement).

NVIDIA provided me and some other overclockers 7800 GTX cards right before the launch and so far I've been able to push them with Kamu to 16742 in 3DMark05. Now ATI is bringing their next generation cards to market so I'm of course very interested to see how far I can push them.

Then the most important thing: so far (for me) there is no money involved to this (neither with NVIDIA).... samples yes (just like all other press and some overclockers in the world).

I'm more than happy to answer R520 related overclocking questions as soon as NDA lifts.

You can expect some overclocked numbers from me hopefully on Thursday together with full review of R5xx series (in Finnish)

:toast:

tnx sampsa, haldol please don't do this.
if grayskull saids its not cherry except it.

i hate this sherry f****argues.

w'll just wait for our own oc results :toast:
10-03-2005, 12:39 PM
Sampsa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jort

tnx sampsa, haldol please don't do this.
if grayskull saids its not cherry except it.

i hate this sherry f****argues.

w'll just wait for our own oc results :toast:

The card(s) we used at Ibiza were Cherry picked ones.
10-03-2005, 12:40 PM
LardArse

Awwww man Sampsa... NDA...?? you know there's no such thing among us overclockers right?? :D
My PM box has lots of space ;)
10-03-2005, 12:43 PM
DCR

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

3dmark03 is more cpu dependent than 05, and 01 even more so... world of diff between fx + x1800 and a pressy + x1800.

What i want to know is what 900/1900 looks like in 3dmark01 :p:

Perkam

I thought that '03 was the most GPU dependent of the three?
10-03-2005, 01:14 PM
JuanFlaiter

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaLDoL

Of course they are cherries, and all those ATi engineers are only just there to give them coffee, not helping them to do mods and so? You`re a PR dude, of course you won't tell us they are cherries.
Tell me, if the cards aren't cherry picked and if they are in mass production, how come the cards won't be available for another month?

Almost all companies send cherry picks for reviewing purposes. It's not about cheating, it's just forcing reviewers to be luckier than normal people :p:

I have a 7800GT E.S and a pair of 7800GTX E.S and both of them can clock really high, in fact the GT can get to 500mhz on stock cooling. In some cases it's quite extreme, Kingston sends their products with a evaluation sticker, and Corsair's evaluation modules have a special code.

It's not cheating, it's just bussiness.
10-03-2005, 01:17 PM
Jort

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

The card(s) we used at Ibiza were Cherry pickedones.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

The cards were not cherries...I tried an off the line card and it actually clocked higher than what has been reported and it wasn't even under LN2, it was using the famous Chilly1 Xtremefrostbyte III (-80C) and only slight volt modding. Believe me when I tell you this is only scratching the surface. A true hardcore run with LN2 and significant volts should achieve some never before seen GPU speeds.

grayskull what is this? care to explain
:confused:

i understand its normal but if a ati rep guy saids not cherry and sampsa saids cherry wth is this. :slapass:
10-03-2005, 01:25 PM
Vapor

Maybe they had one, realized there were better ones and then used those? ;)
10-03-2005, 01:28 PM
Grayskull

Not true...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

The card(s) we used at Ibiza were Cherry picked ones.
10-03-2005, 01:34 PM
Jort

K this is word against word, w'll see this at the rusults from regular oc'ers
10-03-2005, 01:36 PM
Grayskull

Cherry picking to me means that someone rounds up a bunch of the highest speed bin parts, runs them to the limit and then selects the best one to use. This did not happen for sure. Unless someone has a different meaning for cherry picking, then the cards were not cherry picked.

The fact that I was able to take a random card and get higher clocks with much less temperature only proves this.

If Macci + Sampsa did have a cherry picked card and ran it with LN2 they should be getting unmatchable overclocks...which they obviously aren't. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuanFlaiter

Almost all companies send cherry picks for reviewing purposes. It's not about cheating, it's just forcing reviewers to be luckier than normal people :p:

I have a 7800GT E.S and a pair of 7800GTX E.S and both of them can clock really high, in fact the GT can get to 500mhz on stock cooling. In some cases it's quite extreme, Kingston sends their products with a evaluation sticker, and Corsair's evaluation modules have a special code.

It's not cheating, it's just bussiness.
10-03-2005, 01:38 PM
GoriLLakoS

the cards where random......no Cherry picked ones at ibiza......they will be overclocked more and more with a better cooling system....
10-03-2005, 01:39 PM
Jort

Thanks
10-03-2005, 01:41 PM
alexio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

The fact that I was able to take a random card and get higher clocks with much less temperature only proves this.

So it's true because you say so?

I'm not here to offend you. Once the cards are for sale we will know if you are telling the truth. And I think I trust you because you would be damn stupid if you are lying about this.....

But I don't know why Sampsa would be lying.
10-03-2005, 01:47 PM
Stuperman

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS

the cards where random......no Cherry picked ones at ibiza......they will be overclocked more and more with a better cooling system....

What's better than LN2?
10-03-2005, 01:52 PM
cadaveca

Hey guys..my first 7800GTX clocked better at stock than most reviewer's cards, so even cherry-picking for reviewers does not happen. i mean really..they'd have to test every card...
average overclocks for me have always been around 10% for cards..MSI kinda made this as a rule with thier cards, and lots of companies seem to follow suit.

I bought a few x850xtpe cards, and each clocked better or the same as what reviewer's posted on sites for the same cards, so regardless of some little "handpicking", there is no real thing as cherry-picked. Quite frankly, i'm sure that ANY card is about the same for overclocking, had the solder joints and placement of SMD's everywhere been all the same.

You can be sure that Macci got a handpicked card...but i don't think it would be a "top-clocker" in the sense most are thinking...i'm pretty sure the design team for the card got those.

Sampsa, although no money exchanged hands, getting your hands on hardware before release, nevermind for free, is worth far more than anyone can pay me. Any true overclocker would say the same, and you know it. Money is not the point...it's the favortism afforded by such luxuries.

I am probably one of the biggest ATI fanboys there is, but yet, i have 2 nVidia cards in my system becaseu they are the fastest thing i can buy, because i'm an overclocker first....meanwhile you got faster for free. No matter how hard you try, you cannot downplay ANY of that to ANY of US. I love seeing your results, as i do Macci's, but as it has already been said, because you don't pay...we don't care if you play. At least i don't.

Don't take that the wrong way tho, because i'd LOVE to be in your shoes. It's actually good to see your hard work pay off for you, and more importantly, ATI recognizing it. :toast:

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