ULI Chipset iz good, cheapest 24 sec of the world ? !!

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12-25-2005, 05:35 PM
Naasar

is there a a64 tweaker for the asrock dual?:confused:
12-25-2005, 06:05 PM
ReelMonza

You mean, clock gen ?
12-25-2005, 07:52 PM
Bar81

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Originally Posted by pcdoc1

Bar81-

Why not take Christmas off. One day without your personal attacks, general BS, and displayed lack of any reasonable knowledge related to the topic would be a treat for everyone. It's just one day, c'mon.......

One day without you being a :banana::banana::banana::banana: would be nice for everyone as well. Take your own advice.
12-25-2005, 07:59 PM
Bar81

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Originally Posted by kiwi

Could you be more specific? What issues you are talking about?

DFI lanparty boards are the best boards for overclockers. Period. I don't care what people say, I had DFI NF3 s754/939 and NF4 and they were all amazing. NF4 the best board I've ever had. Rock stable, pushed to limits. Only some minor issues but that was not a problem for me.

If you are running stock or mild overclock the sure, other boards are fine too.

I'm talking about all the issues that are widely reported on these forums, multiple dead mobos, dead CPUs, flakiness, etc. There's a huge thread in this forum asking for reliability of certain DFI mobos and there's something like a 20%+ reported death rate.

Again, if all you care about is how high you can OC then fine, but otherwise the DFIs are second rate products. The facts are out there if you want to look, it just seems that everyone is too busy kneeling down in front of DFI to see the serious issues their products have as reported by other forum posters. Personally, I couldn't care less as I'll never use a product with this many reported issues but it's entirely amusing to see the hero worship DFI gets and the absolute lack of acknowledgment of the various shortcomings of their products. It's like it's okay for the boards to have all the issues as long as they clock high. It's just a really strange mentality. Again, I have to wonder, does anyone on these boards actually use their pc for something outside of synthetic benchmarks?
12-25-2005, 08:12 PM
Naasar

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Originally Posted by ReelMonza

You mean, clock gen ?

well not exactly. something to tweak memory timings in windows. like wcredit used to do for nf2 boards

the ocwb1 bios for this board doesnt allow preamble async settings but the original 1.20 does..:slapass:
12-25-2005, 08:18 PM
man called (E)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bar81

I'm talking about all the issues that are widely reported on these forums, multiple dead mobos, dead CPUs, flakiness, etc. There's a huge thread in this forum asking for reliability of certain DFI mobos and there's something like a 20%+ reported death rate.

Again, if all you care about is how high you can OC then fine, but otherwise the DFIs are second rate products. The facts are out there if you want to look, it just seems that everyone is too busy kneeling down in front of DFI to see the serious issues their products have as reported by other forum posters. Personally, I couldn't care less as I'll never use a product with this many reported issues but it's entirely amusing to see the hero worship DFI gets and the absolute lack of acknowledgment of the various shortcomings of their products. It's like it's okay for the boards to have all the issues as long as they clock high. It's just a really strange mentality. Again, I have to wonder, does anyone on these boards actually use their pc for something outside of synthetic benchmarks?

I agree with you 100%

I liken DFi boards to a car named the Jaguar. They look great,and run fast and smooth,but have to many flaws in the manufacturing to make them a practical buy for a reliable,stable machine.

Sure when they run its wonderful,but once those little annoyances start occuring,your going to hate yourself for buying it. DFi is a great board for benchmarking,and showing off your wonderful SuperPi and 3Dmark scores,but what it all comes down to,is does your machine turn on and run everytime you push power,or do you have to tweak,reset cmos,take battery out,not take battery out,blow on it,let it cool down.push reset,etc......

@ Bar81 I wouldn't waste your time trying to convince kids that DFi is sticking it to them. Remember kids are very impresionable,and tend to be followers. "Whatever the masses do makes them cool too". They will find out soon enough. Ha!
12-25-2005, 08:21 PM
Naasar

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Originally Posted by man called (E)

I agree with you 100%

@ Bar81 I wouldn't waste your time trying to convince kids that DFi is sticking it to them. Remember kids are very impresionable,and tend to be followers. "Whatever the masses do makes them cool too". They will find out soon enough. Ha!

that may be true.....but those kids are our future and have different approches to solutions that even WE of course can learn from :cool:
12-25-2005, 08:23 PM
ReelMonza

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Originally Posted by Naasar

well not exactly. something to tweak memory timings in windows. like wcredit used to do for nf2 boards

the ocwb1 bios for this board doesnt allow preamble async settings but the original 1.20 does..:slapass:

But A64 Tweaker should work just fine doesn't it ?

I guess it's for any K8 based system, it isn't chipset dependant (it is ?)
12-25-2005, 08:25 PM
man called (E)

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Originally Posted by Naasar

that may be true.....but those kids are our future and have different approches to solutions that even WE of course can learn from :cool:

You bet! ;) Just let them spend their 200.00$..:D
12-25-2005, 11:18 PM
The Coolest

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Originally Posted by ReelMonza

But A64 Tweaker should work just fine doesn't it ?

I guess it's for any K8 based system, it isn't chipset dependant (it is ?)

Yes, that's right. The memory controller is in the CPU, so A64 tweaker will work on any mobo
12-25-2005, 11:24 PM
Poki

Systool works well with this board too. Gives you clockgen/A64 tweaker and an auto overclocking tool. I like that program alot for testing max CPU speeds while unattended.
12-26-2005, 12:53 AM
high5

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Originally Posted by Bar81

Again, if all you care about is how high you can OC then fine, but otherwise the DFIs are second rate products.

i also agree with this 100%.
12-26-2005, 01:43 AM
mongoled

Some of the opinions in this thread are quite amusing, many are viable, while some are quite invalid. Im 30 years old and out of my last 5 mthbrds 3 have been DFI. Maybe DFI have 'stuck it' to me also

:p:

I use my rig for everything I do, gaming, coding, internet, 2d/3d work, it does all I ask of it. Now im not saying tht the boards dont have issues, every board has some issues, but wht I find hard to understand is the inability of some people to realise that 'when you are pushing the envelope' as DFI have been doing the last few years, there is a bigger chance that things will fail. Is this so hard to understand? For me this is logical, now if you want to argue tht this is immoral then thts something totally different.

I buy DFI boards because they offer me everything i want and need in a brd, once they stop offering me this, I will move to another manufacturer. Nobody likes being stereotyped because stereotyping causes prejudices which isnt a good thing. Some of the comments attributed to 'young' people on this thread although they have a basis, aint fair.

I know when I was younger I didnt know everything, just as I dont know everything now. But i learned through experience, somthing which our younger audience will also do. Putting them down is not the right way to go abt things, however much their comment/view may bug you.

If ULI are producing a good chipset, good on them. If ASRock are making a good mthbrd, good on them. But please stop the personal attacks, we should be here to help/guide and share opinions, not try to find ways to create bridges between peeps of different ages and backgrounds.
12-26-2005, 02:13 AM
high5

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Originally Posted by mongoled

Now im not saying tht the boards dont have issues, every board has some issues, but wht I find hard to understand is the inability of some people to realise that 'when you are pushing the envelope' as DFI have been doing the last few years, there is a bigger chance that things will fail. Is this so hard to understand?

of course every board has its own issues. but we here (or at least me) are not talking about 'when you are pushing the envelope' things.

if OC is the most important thing to you, then yes, DFI is by far the best choice. if its not, and on top of that you don't buy high-end RAM and such things, you should stay away from DFI.

problem is that many ppl (including reviewers) just say DFI is the best. they do not put emphasis (or at least not enough) that DFI is the best for OC. they test hardware in system with premium components. if you pair DFI boards with lower-end or even mainstream components (RAM, PSUs...) there is a good chance you'll end up with serious compatibility problems... problems that most other mobos don't have. i've seen it many times.

and for me, that kind of stuff is unacceptable. too many compromises for one goal - OC. thats why i think this Bar81's statement was spot-on:

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Originally Posted by Bar81

Again, if all you care about is how high you can OC then fine, but otherwise the DFIs are second rate products.

as always, some will agree, some will not. its their right, everyones entitled to have his/her opinion. :)
12-26-2005, 04:04 AM
stone_cold_Jimi

Seeing as I've owned an Asrock Dual, and now have an Asus A8N32-SLI and a DFI eXpert, you might think I had something to say on the matter. I do.

The Asus wins the bling competition. Any CPU will clock as well in any of the boards. The performance differences are marginal. :p:
12-26-2005, 04:21 AM
high5

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Originally Posted by stone_cold_Jimi

Any CPU will clock as well in any of the boards.

maybe, but if you want to max out your (for example) TCCD, then you need DFI.
12-26-2005, 04:23 AM
stone_cold_Jimi

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Originally Posted by high5

maybe, but if you want to max out your (for example) TCCD, then you need DFI.

I did say CPU..... ;)
12-26-2005, 07:20 AM
HARDCORECLOCKER

:D Anti Static Rubbish Of Crappy Kindling

:toast:
12-26-2005, 07:27 AM
Bar81

Quote:

Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER

:D Anti Static Rubbish Of Crappy Kindling

:toast:

Is that english you're taking a stab at?
12-26-2005, 07:40 AM
GMX

Quote:

Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER

:D Anti Static Rubbish Of Crappy Kindling

:toast:

HAHAHhaHA

Ok back to the asrock board: I can't run 2x512 bh-5 anywhere near 220mhz, seperately i can go around 250mhz with both sticks. 3.37v in them. Any fix, or others experiencing difficulty? Also every now and then it doesnt detect my SATA drive so i have to reboot like 10 times.

I can't wait till the sapphire board comes here. The asrock may be good for some, but after using and getting familiar with other boards (ie DFI (plaease dont start another war)), the asrock is BORING.
12-26-2005, 08:32 AM
ReelMonza

Abit UL8 PRO looks promising
12-26-2005, 08:59 AM
dogsx2

As I said in an earlier post, I have the SATA2 mb. It works great for what it was made for; no oc or mild oc. Can someone like Misteroadster turn one mans junk into another mans treasure? Of coarse, he's Misteroadster. Can everyone else do it? NO, there not Misteroadster. Between Anandtech and Misteroadster they had all of us thinking we could do as well as a DFI mb for almost half the money. A few may, most won't.
12-26-2005, 09:36 AM
crodan85

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Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER

:D Anti Static Rubbish Of Crappy Kindling

:toast:

Yes, there not the best brand but for what they cost they are not bad considering that it not a high end motherboard with the best components. I just hope Nvidia can learn something from ULI and make even better chipsets
12-26-2005, 11:39 AM
Naasar

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Originally Posted by crodan85

I just hope Nvidia can learn something from ULI and make even better chipsets

the only learning they will do you how to more effectively rip a opposing company apart and integrate it into there mcp development.....such sad news i think

hope i'm wrong
12-26-2005, 02:16 PM
Naasar

hey is there a way to make windows load up with saved systool settings? the 150 multi for memory works perfect for me but i have to manually do it every time i enter windows...help help:stick:

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