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06-19-2005, 10:36 PM
OC Detective

2Ghz ones will arrive eventually. AMD are not meeting demand because essentially they dont have that many at the moment as the server side appears to be their priority (even higher ASPs). Remember AMD have pulled forward "availability" by several months because Intel did likewise and retooling the fabs for more dualcore desktops might not be so easy (remember they still only have 200mm wafers and a die size now similar to old 130nm for dual core) so they have to manage the supply/demand dynamic. You cant run out of your bread and butter products that just doesnt make sense.
06-19-2005, 10:42 PM
Hans.Gruber

Im quite sure that AMD has plenty of capasity for dual core CPU's, it's just like we said servers first.
So if they are filling supplys it's Opteron DC's, and X2's come second.
06-19-2005, 10:52 PM
OC Detective

Hans if AMDs capacity utilisation is anything like Intels then it is over 90% - if running dual core gives incremental sales rather than supplemental sales over standard A64s then like I said with the regression to a 130nm sized die then capacity constraints have to be considered.
06-19-2005, 10:57 PM
Hans.Gruber

Someone said quite well (don't remember who) that AMD has too many overlapping products.
They have socket-a 2800-3200, s-754 2800-3xxx s-939 3000-4xxx, so they obiviously suffer from that to some extent.
But i don't believe it affects DC production too much.
Demand for DC Opterons can be quite high since so many have jumped to that wagon, even Supermicro.
06-19-2005, 11:23 PM
OC Detective

The SKU proliferation is partly a function of technological progression IMHO. In the desktop segment socket A is no longer fabbed (but still assembled) socket 754 for budget and socket 939 prosumer and mainstream. There is little overlap between segments and the number of SKUs is also down to having price points between less than $100 and over $1000.
The fact AMD initially intended the launch to be the end of the year, I think, was a function of potential capacity issues as we know there are no technological issues. This means it would have been closer to the date of Chartered's ramp and FAB 36 completion but Intel forced their hand somewhat to release much earlier.
06-20-2005, 02:11 AM
Usurper

Komplett have moved the date back to the 24th :(
06-20-2005, 03:18 AM
nicholarse

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Originally Posted by Usurper

Komplett have moved the date back to the 24th :(

:mad:
06-20-2005, 03:26 AM
NickK

Wouldn't supprise me if all retailers have slipped the date.
06-20-2005, 03:55 AM
Tim

I thought somebody had an X2 and overclocked it here @ XS....I can't find the thread! help me out ! :D

edit: Ok I found the X2 of Sampsa :)
06-20-2005, 05:19 AM
terror_adagio

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Originally Posted by Zebo

WTF's up with AMD not meeting demand? I dunno about you but I'd rather sell $600-$1100 X2's than $145 cheapo 3000's. Maybe they need to shut down everything but 57's and X2's for a couple weeks at their SINGLE fab. Also how about some 2000Mhz and 1800Mhz clocked ones?

AMD never expected this much demand for dual-core CPUs.

I didn't expect it either. Most people are scared of such prices, but yet they are still buying them. Weird.
06-20-2005, 05:24 AM
Hans.Gruber

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Originally Posted by terror_adagio

AMD never expected this much demand for dual-core CPUs.
I didn't expect it either. Most people are scared of such prices, but yet they are still buying them. Weird.

Good systems cost a lot of money, and extra 250-300 for a CPU is not that big sum.
Also buyer can get slightly smaller HDD, cheaper MB etc. So they don't invest to things that bring little or no value at all, and the price is now only 150$ more for X2 system.
Compare that to a system that has same performance with singe core CPU's :)
06-20-2005, 06:30 AM
goodcooper

amd has supply issues, they don't have anywhere near the capacity that intel does... thats why they started contracting out to IBM to take off some of the load (also the reason DELL hasn't went AMD if anybody is wondering)

they don't have the capacity yet... when they do, then they will REALLY be competing with Intel
06-20-2005, 07:01 AM
xgman

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Originally Posted by terror_adagio

AMD never expected this much demand for dual-core CPUs.

I didn't expect it either. Most people are scared of such prices, but yet they are still buying them. Weird.

You call a hand full of overclockers "this much demand"? That's equivalent to zero demand as far as AMD is concerned. :rolleyes:
06-20-2005, 07:31 AM
terror_adagio

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Originally Posted by xgman

You call a hand full of overclockers "this much demand"? That's equivalent to zero demand as far as AMD is concerned. :rolleyes:

What a linear way of thinking.

Do you think AMD sells CPUs for overclockers only? :nono:
06-20-2005, 07:40 AM
xgman

No, I mean I don't think there really is all that much demand in the wiild yet. It's just that AMD hasn't really released the cpu's yet, contrary to some oem's being leaked out as they usually are.
06-20-2005, 07:51 AM
terror_adagio

Actually, they have shipped OEM and begun shipping retail officially. The CPUs showing up in peoples hands are not "leaks".

And yes, there IS demand. Lots of it.
06-20-2005, 01:56 PM
NickK

Unsupprisingly OcUK's X2 page now reads ETA 24th too.
06-20-2005, 02:32 PM
goodcooper

the enthusiast market is a tiny (albiet a VERY FAST growing) segment of sales...

large oems like HP/Compaq, DELL, Toshiba, etc is what these companies make money off of.

I think you would all agree that in the past 6 months, there is an oustanding enthusiast/gamer movement to AMD cpus, i mean the ratio of you guys buying Intel is probably 1:10, maybe even more (for every 1 enthusiast that buys an Intel, 10 are going to go AMD)

if the enthusiast segment was really what drove the markets, then wouldn't AMDs sales be off the charts?

AMD is still reporting losses, and Intel is still reporting gains...

When we see more School systems, colleges, and fortune 500 companies actually buying AMD based machines, then we'll see better production from AMD..

the just havn't the capacity, which really has nothing to do with a "late" release of a processor :slap:

so maybe we should shut up and get back on topic...

off to monarch i say
06-20-2005, 03:14 PM
s7e9h3n

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Originally Posted by terror_adagio

Actually, they have shipped OEM and begun shipping retail officially. The CPUs showing up in peoples hands are not "leaks".

And yes, there IS demand. Lots of it.

Correct, and OEM's include such companies as Voodoo & FalconPC. Therefore, most cpu's are available to ANYONE once a release date is announced by AMD.
And yes, the x2 is going to turn the computing world upside-down.... ;)
06-20-2005, 03:22 PM
ewitte

Recieved Fedex 2day tracking # from Monarch for X2 4400+

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
06-20-2005, 06:35 PM
BRiT

ewitte... sweet deal... do keep us informed of how well it works and if you have any issues with your setup. I was hoping for them to be in widerspread availability by now.
06-20-2005, 06:36 PM
Chris27

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Originally Posted by ewitte

Recieved Fedex 2day tracking # from Monarch for X2 4400+

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

oem or retail?
06-20-2005, 06:52 PM
ewitte

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Originally Posted by Chris27

oem or retail?

OEM
06-20-2005, 07:44 PM
Charloz24

Made my order....OMG can't wait to see how the 4400+ will overclock with some good water cooling !!!

BTW any1 knows if Windows need to be reinstalled with X2?? I mean, can I just change my A64 with the X2 and boot in windows...or must I need to reinstall?
06-20-2005, 07:48 PM
terror_adagio

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Originally Posted by Charloz24

BTW any1 knows if Windows need to be reinstalled with X2?? I mean, can I just change my A64 with the X2 and boot in windows...or must I need to reinstall?

Windows should be re-installed.

In fact, I recommend a complete hard drive reformat.

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