PC-3200 platnium rev 2
BH dies only comes in 32x8 , its not possible to make a 1gb module based on them , unless you want it double height or stacked.
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PC-3200 platnium rev 2
BH dies only comes in 32x8 , its not possible to make a 1gb module based on them , unless you want it double height or stacked.
I don't have the RAM yet (mine is coming), but if the timings were loosend to 2.5-3-2 or some such this might allow lower volts. We don't test this way, so no promises. :)
AFAIK, BH5 doesn`t really like having timings looser... At least at 260MHz I got error at 2.5-3-3 and not at 2-2-2... Possibly a bug, but I doubt...
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Originally Posted by andyOCZ
it;s the 2-2-2 that i am looking for. I can get OCZ her fairly easily(still ahv eto import, which sucks, but sometimes ya gotta do what you gotta do), but nothing tccd based, which of course would do this.
SO how do i get 2-2-2 in gb modules? i know 2-3-2 is easy to get, but i prefer the extra 15mb of bandwidth due to the lower latencies.
hey ryan.. when u've tested the 3200gold BH ones can u let us know?
How is that possible? If you wire two chips in parallel, they would still act as one chip, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
ther are a few oem's doing doubles, now.
A similar thing happened with the OCZ VX PC4000.Quote:
Originally Posted by GazC
I remember one of the reps saying that the VX PC4000 will be
speed bined somewhere above the 250 point, and it will definitly do
better than the VX PC3200. Suddenly the thread's atmosphere
starts to rock. :rolleyes: I mean everyone saying
"man then I might be able to reach 270-280!", and none of the reps
making comments for those expectations, and just keep saying that
VX PC4000 will be definitly better than PC3200 VX...
I personally had a PC3200 VX that did 260+ and think about it.
After a rep saying that the VX PC4000 will be speed bined somewhere
above the 250 point, any people would think that then the VX4000
would have good chances of reaching 260.
So people with VX PC3200 doing 260+ would sell them
and gamble for a new VX4000 with confident minds predicting that the
VX4000 would reach near atleast around 260. I was one of them, too.
But, know what? to tell the truth now, I had a chance to
test 10 VX4000s(because all of them were sold to me and my friends
here), and the results are 2 sets DOA, and only one set did over 260 with rest
doing around 250-255. Don't ask me if I did nice burnins or the mem controller
issues becasue I, or neither of my friends are not newbies to OCing.
Almost all of my friends here formally had VX PC3200 doing 260+,
so wouldn't they be upset? I bet the batches have turned out a bit bad
as time went on, which happens with a lot of computer hardwares.
Reps should have explained for people with PC3200 VXs doing over
260 should think over before selling them to go buy the new VX PC4000.
(as one of the reps made the statement later)
I don't blame OCZ for this, but there's been too many misunderstandings,
and confusions with the VX3200 and VX4000.
BTW I totally agree on the fact that overclocking is a luck of draw.
(Come on, I've had this OC hobby since 1998. Why shouldn't I know it.)
But from now on, I would appreciate it if OCZ kind of controls
people's nonsense expectations, and their marketing
prior to releasing new products. ;)
P.S
I personally own a lot of OCZ products, and love their customer service.
It's also good that there are nice reps taking care of people's problems and discussions. :)
Just hoping a little bit more out of OCZ. :)
I remember reps saying things about if you already have a good clocking set, then you shouldn't sell and buy the VX4000 thinking you'll be getting better
jjcom
The atmosphere thing and about what the reps said which I mentionedQuote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
was a while before OCZ has told us what you said jjcom. ;)
Lets just have some nice hopes for the feature. :toast:
Either way, any product that OCZ makes is pure own4g3 :)
The CS pin wouldn't be wired together, but connected to seperate selects from the DIMM slot. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
this is a foreign concept to me.
First thing i must just add that OCZ never make or made any suggestions that VX4000 would do 270 to 280 at 2-2-2, what we said is that 2-2-2 at 250 is now guaranteed where with the 3200 it was not.....you guys here were the ones who pushed the 4000 to 280fsb and then had a hard come down when it didn't do that speed.
I see this now every time we launch a new product you all expect it will do some incredible speed even if Ryan or my self try to be cautious with you and tell you just as it is.
The new BH seems to improve with burn in, both Andy and myself do NOT have it yet, as soon as we do we will quietly test then post results. Ryan beleives its a good product and thats enough to tell me it has some promise.
Also again as far as i know its 512's only, 256's may clock higher but we only sell a handfull which means we don't claw our money back on it.Things may change though, so it 256's are made we will report it here.
So to finish , please wait to see reults from our testing or results from beta testers, we will do our best to show the BH doing just what it does at what ever voltage and then you can all make your minds up.
Tony
Outside of saying that the new VX will do 250 right out of the box and pummeling people who post claims that the new memory is the messiah, there's not much they can do. Maybe they should forget about their next Booster or power supply and concentrate their resources on developing a mind control machine. It sure would make thier reps jobs easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by formyfaith
;)
Made some add-ins to my formal comment to express my feelings better.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
Should take a look. :)
BTW controlling expectations and whatsoever is not what I really want.
You should be able to understand how I feel after reading it.
Read through your edited version and you do express your dissapointment better and give a better picture of your personal experience. If I were in your shoes, I'm sure I'd feel the same way. I do recall a rep alluding to a little cushion on thier specifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by formyfaith
My UTT tale of woe is limited to some TwinMos SP (CH-5) i picked up a couple of weeks ago. It flew in over 260 on 100+ loops of memtest #5 but wasn't stable in Windows at that same speed unless I went 2-3-2 at which point it couldn't compete with my TCCD. Those 2 512mb stick are now sitting in a gaming rig doing 2-2-2-6 at 240 and 3.2v. I'll pull them out at some point to give them another try. Not much to complain about but I'm mentioning it to illustrate a point. Even though I had some great TCCD and nice Mushkin BH-5 I gave into to the hype on the UTT. Its hard not to when you're overclocking. In fact I still want to check out the Mushkin Blue at Outpost and wanted to drop $110 (they gone up since) on the 2x512 Geil 2-3-3-6 just becuase I suspected they might be Geil's take on UTT. When the Twinmos SP PC3500 is available in the U.S. I know I'll want to cue up for that as well. Even though I know I should be saving for Venice.
Okay, now I'm just rambling. I had a point when I started ... and I'm still pretty sure its one of the following:
1. OCZ is the devil. :p:
2. The risk/reward/cost formula we use on every purchase isn't perfect and given enough chances we're bound to make a bad call. Try to keep a stiff upper lip in public forums like I did when I got a CBBID 3500+. I only cried myself to sleep for a week. ;)
3. Once that Venice comes out I'll really (no this time for sure) be happy with my gaming rig. :rolleyes:
Peace.
The funny thing is I told many people in the forums, not to upgrade from 3200 VX to 4000 vx is they were getting much above 250,that is was specificaly not worth it, then mentioned it many times after that. Then I figured most people must be not getting it and I posted a thread about it
We are trying to make sure people have fair expectations ,,
Alos I must say that just about anyone getting anything crazy with VX has been getting it after some healthy burn in times
I wonder how many VX-4000 users are burning in
I wouldn't worry too much about 256's. There are plenty available on ebay and FS/FT forums. People don't seem to want them anymore, so they're really cheap too.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
And my idea (ok, I stole it from G.Skill) would fulfill those expectations. Whatever is wrong with that...?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
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Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
Sorry Ryan, but me or neither of my friends here got the VX PC4000
before any of the reps mentioning what you said above.
Actually it's because of my post before, that reps have started to tell people
not to gamble for the VX PC4000s if they have VX PC3200 doing 260+.
As I said before I don't need or never will ask for RMAs,
because the VX PC4000s surely does meet their rated specs,
and I totally understand the fact that OCing is a luck of draw.
BTW me and my buddys did burn in for a long time, and still are burning
the VX PC4000s, but the results are not nice yet.
It's just that I'd like to see some better marketing next time. :)
Cheers.
I think people are just used to OCZ mem going way over spec, no one bought their PC3200 Plat Rev.2 expecting to only get PC3200, no one bought the 3200 VX expecting only to get PC3200. If you think about it, pretty much all OCZ memory made in the Gold or Platinum line OC'ed like woah over spec, the 3500 and 3700 EB's usually hit 260+, the PC4000 Gold could easily hit 260+.I guess people just assumed that if 3200 VX does PC4000, then 4000 VX must do PC4800 :p:
That's definetly not impossible. Say, if you binned out out of a 100 chips for best performance, and then put them on one stick, you could have a stick that can do 280.Quote:
Originally Posted by HiJon89
i thought i explained why it wasnt practical to do so? :confused:
yeah, binning chips like that would take a good amount of time and prices would soar. So now we've got super fast RAM that next to no one can get. Wouldn't be good for OCZ really, since it would cost them to bin the chips, then few people would buy since it would cost a quite a bit.
jjcom
Then why is there a company that does that and is successful? Explain that.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinkgai