AMD 939 3500+: wait for dfi ? or go with asus

My position has not changed. The S754 stuff is a much better deal. The fact that the A8V is better than the GA-K8NSNXP-939 does not mean S939 is better than S754. S939 still has major issues, but the FX-53 is a monster. I still recommend S754 for the best value.

It took me almost 3 days to finally figure out what was causing the problems with the A8V. If I didn't like Asus so much I would probably have given up after the first day. It has issues and unless you REALLY know your $hit or you do not plan to overclock much the A8V should be avoided.

This has always been my position.

congrats, once again sucessfully imposed your opinion on a unrelated topic that no one asked for. its a shame it has nothing to do the discussion at hand. Lets try and stay on topic shall we?

What's the matter? You mad because ThreadCrapper420 was already taken? Please STFU!

A8V is a bad overcloaker??

Iam getting nearly a 450 OC and only limits my board has is

2.8vdimm limit not 3.1
275 FSB stability limt

which isn't that bad.

yes, i really did want that name but someone must have taken it:rolleyes: . It is nice to see how you respond to comments extremely similar to what comes out of your own trap. Also nice defensive slandering style you got there, nearly as amusing as you pointing to your 3dmark01 score as if it somehow justifies your behavior. And don't presume that your own level of self importance or your 3dmark score intimidates me enough to not voice my opinions just like cant expect it from you.

I would actually be surprised if anyone thought your opinions had the same amount of value you think they do. Your opinions don't carry any more weight than anyone else(myself included) and less than many others to me yet you toss them out there as casual facts. You denounce the board for 4 or 5 weeks after only seeing it being messed with for a few hours, further that the day you get the board only to change your position 2 days later. If you give up on misbehaving hardware after only 1 day if its not from a brand you happen to like i wonder how many bad decisions you have effected? After 3 days your confident enough to give a generalized evaluation of the a8v as if you have batch tested it and had enough time to solve any teething problems or turn up new problems, disregarding and even arguing other users experiences as it were advice on stock quotes from the homeless guy washing your windshield.

No one ever claimed the a8v was the perfect board. Users who report working boards have seemed to be detached enough to see that enough users were having problems to own up to that fact. You on the other side of the fence could not and claimed it was the devils board or some other cursed example of hardware that should be avoided at all costs up until today, a whole 3 days after you get to mess with one.


Everything that comes out of your mouth needs to be taken with a grain or salt or disregarded as bias/uninformed all together it seems. Your in my opinion proving yourself to be the most dangerous and distracting type of individual who posts on these types of forums. A elitist with infallible knowledge that also has the aparent need to force these opinions on anyone and everyone, if they asked for them or not with disregard to if it had any relevance on the subject at hand or not, completely saturated with there own self importance.

I honestly feel bad for anyone who has been burned because they let you sway there decision making if the pattern you have shown in this case has been consistent in the past.

Im sorry if this is hurtfull or a bruise to your ego. But this is my opinion and presented as such but you haven't done anything to change it, and in fact only strengthened it. My opinion of you personally aside I cant in good conscience not word caution or give a counter opinion about comments like the ones you make on a daily basis when they are blatantly generalized and presented as facts incorrectly, if i didn't i might as well be yet another monday morning benchmarker/ mindless fanboy trolling around.

I give people my thoughts and ideas on things not to tell them what to do but to give them another opinion or avenue of thought and present them as such because in the end even if my way was always the best way and everything i say was right people still need and have the ability to come to conclusions themselves and unlike you i still give people that much credit. That is what these forums are designed for, not mindless boasting of there 3dmark scores or preaching hardware 101 according to them and only them as you seem to think but a collection of ideas, information and opinions to actualy help eachother with this hobby.

Its a shame this forums as such a bad reputation as there are quite a few people on here that have something worth while to say imho but unfortunatly those that dont more often than not speak louder and more forcefully than those that do. In the process turn away people from hanging around long enough to give or ask help. A waste of one of the best information resources on the internet.

I have the Asus A8V with the 3800+ and so far loving it. Overclocks like a raped ape. I really like the adaptive overclock feature.
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I have the Asus A8V with the 3800+ and so far loving it. Overclocks like a raped ape. I really like the adaptive overclock feature.
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Well show us some 2k1 benches so we can see what a raped ape overclocks like. I bet many here have not seen that.:rolleyes:

Mongoose420:

As soon as I saw the length of your last post I quit reading and will continue to ignore all future posts by you until you stop trying to hijack threads in order to right the wrong that you are so certain I have done you. Get over it sweatheart...life's too short!;)

I reccommend MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum

Thats fine storm, your perfectly entitled to do so. Only the first and last paragraph were for your benefit anyway. The rest of it was for everyone elses. :toast:

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I'm testing the Gigabyte this weekend. I won't be vmodding it though. I think as long as the Gigabyte is not modded the mosfets should hold up. DO NOT BUY THE ASUS A8V!!! Remember, I am a huge ASUS fanboy. The original K8V was great! The SK8V is f__king brilliant! The A8V?:down:

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The more I play with the A8V the more I like it! That's the sign of a good board, and I've always had luck with Asus boards. The K8V was the first and best board for the S754 for a long time. The SK8V was incredible, and the A8V looks to be a winner also.;)

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Damn I didn't realize you flip flopped like Kerry's voting record :D

sorry couldn't resist ;)

serious:: what did you change to make your A8V go from a zero to a hero ??

this afternoon i Was benching , and i heard "tic" in my PC, and freezed.
I was 1,9v gpu. ambient temp 35° C
Look at this : this component desoldered himself :/ and he fall on my SCSI card , i burned my hands and my carpet with it :D
http://pageperso.aol.fr/misteroadster/X800fuked1.JPG
i resoldered it , and it work again :)
I stop my OC for the moment. :rolleyes:
i Had 31970 at 2820 mhz 257X11 , it's not so bad but i thought do better , perhaps My OS was hurt.
VC freq was : 641/634 16P
Gpu looks like voltage: with 1,9v i was able to bench at 652.
But i had to stop , Fu.... component. :mad:

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yes it's a giga pro vivo@XT PE but with 1,6vgu :(
Edit :in fact, i decide to beat you on the ORB with 3500+ and Pro card; it will be better.
if i beat you you're wrong :rolleyes::stick:

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I think the upper 33's is beyond likelihood but a score that matches a good 3700+ would be a result in itself!

Another StormPCism:rolleyes:

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Nobody said it was "heinous", but there you go asking it again. THEY'RE ALL THE SAME CORE. AMD just disables certain features depending on the needs for quantity on certain CPUs. There really is no physical difference between the Opteron, FX, S939 and S754 except for the packages they are in and the features that are enabled. There have been revisions of cores, yes, but the names "ClawHammer and SledgeHammer" do not refer to physical products as much as they define features of the different configurations.;)

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No, it's like saying the 3700+ is closer to the FX-53 than the 3800+ because they have the same Clawhammer core, even though CPUz identifies the S939 FX as a Sledgehammer. The 3700+ and S939 FX-53 are Clawhammers. Only the 940 pin chips are true Sledgehammers.

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EDIT: should read previous posts better sometimes...

Good job misteroadster. How about some links to your scores?

Wow, almost 32k. Impressive, but nothing compaired to the 3700+. With a much lower FSB, 2T command rate, WAY lower card clocks, and crappy car runs I still pulled well over 33k, and could have done much better.

You want to see the difference cache makes?

This is a 100% aircooled run I just did with my new gaming rig. These are my 24/7 settings. HOLY $HIT!!! A little less than 222x12 running 1:1.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8019914

I think it's the #1 aircooled 2k1 score!

What about your card clocks, StormPC? How much in numbers is "way lower"?

Greetz, Flox

My card is aircooled with no vmem mod, only vgpu (1.55v). Because of this my VC RAM takes a crap at 615 (if i run higher it either crashes or gets a lower score) and I can't run my GPU higher than 625, but the 33800 run is 612/612. The all aircooled run is 618/612. Compare that to his 641/634 (and yes he is running 16 pipes). Thats huge, and compare my FSB (251/2T on PC, 222/1T on air) to his 257. Then there's the fact that he's got 157MHz on my aircooled score. With 2k1 these speed differences really make a difference.

I don't see why nobody seems to understand how bad it is to rip half the cache out of a CPU. Look at the Duron vs XP, Celeron vs P4C, P4C vs P4EE...CACHE IS F@#KING HUGE!!!!

i sense the love in this thread

you know what else is huge... besides cache?

sliced bread, mhmm.

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My card is aircooled with no vmem mod, only vgpu (1.55v). Because of this my VC RAM takes a crap at 615 (if i run higher it either crashes or gets a lower score) and I can't run my GPU higher than 625, but the 33800 run is 612/612. The all aircooled run is 618/612. Compare that to his 641/634 (and yes he is running 16 pipes). Thats huge, and compare my FSB (251/2T on PC, 222/1T on air) to his 257. Then there's the fact that he's got 157MHz on my aircooled score. With 2k1 these speed differences really make a difference.

I don't see why nobody seems to understand how bad it is to rip half the cache out of a CPU. Look at the Duron vs XP, Celeron vs P4C, P4C vs P4EE...CACHE IS F@#KING HUGE!!!!

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Nice card clocks for air cooling...

This is the comparison I wanted to have...with clear statement of clocks.

When you compare 3400+ and 3500+ (didn´t find 3700+ vs. 3800+), they are almost eqal in most benchmarks on most review sites.

But I always wondered which one scales better with increasing clockspeeds...comparing your results, everyone can get his own answer to this.

I had a Duron and I know the impact on performance due to reduced cache...but duron hat no compensation in form of DC...

Greetz, Flox

P.S.:
Macci has 32323 with a watercooled A64@2.66GHz and XT with stock-cooler @610/611...just confirms your result. ;)

here are the links :
2K3 :http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2876729
2k1 :http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8018179

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here are the links :
2K3 :http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2876729
2k1 :http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8018179

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Nice...despite the better S754-results.

Anyway...I´ll stick some weeks to my good old TBred and have a look what is behind the speculations about the S939 A64 3600+.

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Damn I didn't realize you flip flopped like Kerry's voting record :D

sorry couldn't resist ;)

serious:: what did you change to make your A8V go from a zero to a hero ??

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Not really.

When you consider it took me 3 days to sort out all of the quirks and issues the A8V has and couple that with the fact that ASUS admits the VIA chipset with locks does not work properly it's not unreasonable to draw the conclusions I did. The problem is that ASUS was not 100% forthcoming with the information. I have since learned that if you set up the A8V in certain ways and avoid doing certain things it is 100% rock solid stable. As a matter of fact the release BIOS is far less stable than the beta with locks when overclocking. Just one of the many things I learned about the board over a 3 day testing period.

It's a great board but not for everyone. I still believe the S754 is the best platform especially for the money. DC is nice but 1MB cache is more important. Only the FX-53 is faster than the 3700+ so far, and it's not what I'd call a lot faster.;)

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I think the upper 33's is beyond likelihood but a score that matches a good 3700+ would be a result in itself!

Another StormPCism:rolleyes:

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Well I think the lower 32's are beyond likelihood.

The difference between what I think and what you think is that I am in the top 10-20 benchers in the world and you are not.

Another difference between you and I is that you have not even attempted to help in a single post that I have seen, opting instead to do nothing but quote others out of context in order to make yourself look smart because you are actually not at all.

Try having an original thought once in awhile. And knock of the sarcasm. It doesn't work well on the internet.:shakes:

Aww diddums did your rattle fall out of the pram? Yet again you feel that because you are in the top 20 of the Orb (oh gee lets all bow to the master) your thinking is somewhat different to others? Does this mere achievement somehow expand your brain capability, capacity and cognitive thinking? You merely re-affirm what others say about you in that one sentence! As to helping people - perpetuating the myth that the 3700 (same applies to 3400 v 3500) was somehow superior to the 3800 is erroneous at best. Whilst I will accede that with extreme cooling that may be the case - for those with good air or water that is most certainly not the case in a large proportion of cases. The reason being naturally that extreme cooling systems "level the playing field" in terms of the upper limits of overclocking hence if both a 3700 and 3800 reach the same Mhz then naturally the 3700 wins in 3DM2K1. What seems to be beyond your comprehension is that the majority of users on these fora do not own such extreme cooling systems.
Out of context? - I dont think so - show me where anything has been edited - face it you change like the wind to suit your own personal set of circumstances - I have plenty more "quotes" should you require them. I think you seriously need to get over yourself. No sarcasm required....... NEXT!

You mean my extreme STOCK aircooling? Even my aircooled scores are #23 overall in 2k1 and #14 in 2k3. Yes, my PC cooled CPU scores are slightly higher, but my aircooled 24/7 rig beats most of the PC cooled computers on the ORB.

The second fastest score ever on 2k1 was achieved by OPP with a 3700+. A 3800+ will NEVER get within 2000 points of that score. The 3800+ is considerably weaker. I'm surprised you don't know more about this stuff coming from the overclocking capital of the world (Malaysia).:ROTF:

Congrats! Yet another rediculous and totally useless post from you. :rolleyes:

BTW: Until you actually try Xtreme cooling and do something you have no idea what it takes to accomplish what these guys have. I have only tried phase-change a couple of times and I'm telling you it's not easy at all. That's why I laugh at noobs like you who think you are on equal terms with the top overclockers in the world. YOU ARE NOT! That does not mean you are less of a person, but it DOES mean that your opinions concerning overclocking do not carry the same weight as those of the guys who are actually doing it. This is an overclockers forum, not a psuedo-intellectual psycho-babble forum. :shakes:

After playing with PC a little I have about 1000% more respect for the guys at the top of the ORB than I did before. You should try it and then you'll know what I'm talking about.;)