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Cool. I may have to try cooling my VC. So far I've only run air cooling on it.Quote:
Originally posted by misteroadster
just a good alcoholic waterchiller ;)
BTW: You are only 500 points away from my 100% aircooled score. Still, for 12 pipes that's smokin'!
Sir boomalot and goose:
Look man, all I said is 3500+ and 3800+ make no sense because they are slower and more expensive than their S754 counterpart. This information is for people who have not yet plopped down money unnessarily. You guys already bought your CPUs and I'm happy for you. Fast inexpensive CPUs are not for everyone. Look how many people bought P4s!
Anyway, I'm done with the Clawhammer vs Newcastle debate, and actually that's another forum. Same for you P4 guys! Please don't try to turn this into an Intel vs AMD thread because I made a sarcastic comment about P4s.
thats interesting
CH on phase change + X800XT and my POS 3500+ NC with my crappy slow / old 9700 pro and horrible GEIL ram is only slightly behind him in the high detail parts.
High car 123.7 vs 139.1
High lobby 148.4 vs 162.3
I guess if you like using low graphic settings the CH does have a big advantage. ;)
Do you see me running sandra benchmarks or pi till im blue in the face? no, so next time you presume anything you may want to think it through a tad more since even tho i basically hold in about the same regard as a jizz stain most of what you say is actually correct for the most part, and we wouldn't want to change that would we? ;)Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
Kinda funny...3DMark (one of the most widely accepted indicators of overall 3D gaming performance) is not a good enough source of information for you, but you run those totally meaningless synthetic Sandra memory benches and calculate pi until you're blue in the face. What's up with that?
Talk is fun, but pretty cheap (and not THAT fun with you IMO).
Why don't you quit going on and on about how good your Newcastle is, put some cooling on that CPU and show us what you're talking about?:rolleyes:
misteroadster
Christ! Those are some nasty clocks on your VC. You using a TEC???
Good Job!:toast:
the thing is you cant seem to grasp that there are more use's for a processor than 3dmark, like actually play games maybe where the differences in all but maybe VERY heavy AI rts games is minimal at best and generally in favor of the s939 chips. Even in the heavy AI games the difference is barely worth mentioning. Your base'n this and as it would seem every processors worth only on the fact if its on the front page of the orb or not. If you cant see how inaccurate that is on your own your a lost cause. I could see maby if this was in the 3dmark team section but its not, this is the amd section of the board. The fact that you cant judge a product on more than its 3dmark scores or do so impartially but still insist on hammering your opinions down on anyone in any thread you feel like entering as if your the end all beat off of hardware guru's your a bigger bonehead than i initially thought.
As it turns out it looks like i just picked me up a prommy mach 1 cheap, so we shall see how this chip does up near 3ghz.
was typing so missed this part before.
Look man, all I said is 3500+ and 3800+ make no sense because they are slower and more expensive than their S754 counterpart.
as shown in the article I linked you too the 3400+ vs 3500+ the 3500 was overall faster and same goes for the 3700+ vs 3800+
both chips are nice but I like the fact I have DC ram and if I want I can upgrade to a FX chip without having to buy another Mobo down the line.
and I agree the 3800+ isn't worth the extra $$$ vs a 3700+ but the 3500 vs 3400 is a different story since the prices are very very close.
3Dmark2k3 with 2K3 server : 14378 pts ; about 200 pts behind OPP's X800Pro and his FX :D .
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2838323
since when did 3DM03 become a CPU bench ?
I think you guys should be talking about Nforce 4 :P
Opteron 4ever :D
Good job!Quote:
Originally posted by misteroadster
3Dmark2k3 with 2K3 server : 14378 pts ; about 200 pts behind OPP's X800Pro and his FX :D .
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2838323
It's true that 3DMark03 is not as CPU intensive as 3DMark2001 but it does use the CPU a great deal, and 2k3 is a great indicator of how the new generation of DX9.0 games will perform.
That brings up a good point. Many of the new games won't care so much about the CPU as long as you have a great graphics card.:D
While not exactly on the subject, I'm running a 3500, how do I get 1:1 at 200. When I set it the bios I get 1:1 100. I have to set it a 2:1 to get 200. How I can I change it... I'm running ASUS AV8 or A8V we-t-f-it-is :)
thanks,:confused:
seems like the A8V 1:1(DDR200mhz) is more like 1/2 and 2:1(DDR400mhz) is a 1/1 or 1to1 ratio.
also your CPU multi effects the memories MHZ too.
Yep. A64s don't have a FSB in the usual sense, nor do they have a divider in that way. The ratios for the memory are really just memory multis in relation to 200MHz. 2:1 = 2X = 400MHz mem spd, 1:1 = 1X 200MHz, 5:3 1.6666666X = 333MHz, etc. This goes for all A64s, not just the S939 or the A8V.
cool, that makes sense. I guess I'm set then. Just a matter of doing some overclocking at some point. If anyone has some recommendations for cooling I would like to here your suggestions. :banana:
What do you want to accomplish in terms of a score and how much trouble are you willing to go through in order to achieve it?
Air is the least bothersome in terms of efforts to maintain the system but it also has the least cooling potential, although if you are not vmodding it can be as good as water in some cases.
Water is more trouble, but done correctly it is better than air performance wise and is usually much much quieter.
Dry ice and phase-change are temporary methods of cooling, but because of the sub-zero temps condensation becomes an issue. See the special forums for more information on these. Some use phase-change 24/7, but it's not the best idea unless you have money to burn.
Storm why do you say that PC is temporary. I just bought a vapo ls. Are you saying I should not use it as a 24/7 type cooling? Why not?Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
What do you want to accomplish in terms of a score and how much trouble are you willing to go through in order to achieve it?
Air is the least bothersome in terms of efforts to maintain the system but it also has the least cooling potential, although if you are not vmodding it can be as good as water in some cases.
Water is more trouble, but done correctly it is better than air performance wise and is usually much much quieter.
Dry ice and phase-change are temporary methods of cooling, but because of the sub-zero temps condensation becomes an issue. See the special forums for more information on these. Some use phase-change 24/7, but it's not the best idea unless you have money to burn.
Not saying that at all, but if you use it 24/7 you need to make sure everything is insulated airtight or you run the risk of killing your hardware with melting ice. As long as your LS is functioning like new and your CPU fit and surrounding area is insulated properly you shouldn't have any trouble (electric bill excepted).
What's roughly the cost for each on average?
Thanks Storm you got me worried there. I just ordered my dream case and if I couldn't use the vapo all the time I would have flipped.
Good air=$40.00-$100.00
Good water=$200.00-$400.00
PC (CPU only)=$400.00-$1000.00
PC (CPU+GPU)=$800.00-$2000.00
You should use "Xtreme" caution when freezing a videocard because condensation is a little more difficult to control. IMO PC should never be considered as a 24/7 solution for videocards.
Nah I only will have the pc for the cpu. I will have water for the gpu. All going in the lian li v2000b