New Vapochill LS...Mach 2 clone

i disagree, bashing is our way of showing that their behaviour is unacceptable, totally.... I don't care if you can get .1 K with this thing... A clone is a clone is clone (u get the point) I bet asetek has replaced thier full R&D with ppl reading the phasechage-forums here. Despiccable (sp?) is what it is... Thinking of taking them to t3h law when they to seden, seeing as our laws are quite strict against plagiarizing ( for example, u can't sell lindows in sweden)

Scumbags



(PS. I don't own a prommy... nor am i in any way affiliated with Nventive)

http://www.asetek.com/main/page.asp?sideid=465

guess what....it has r507 :P

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The NEW VapoChill LightSpeed [AC]™ represents not only the most powerful CPU cooling system commercially available – its superiority extends to control features, upgrade flexibility, CPU-mounting mechanism, CPU support, emergency shut down features and, especially, LOWEST TEMPERATURES & MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK!

The VapoChill LightSpeed [AC]™ has been optimised for the most extreme performance by using a different coolant; R507, which is the most powerful and effective coolant for CPU heat removal. You will not only achieve the lowest possible CPU core temperatures but also an extreme overclocking potential. Unlike the rest of the VapoChill family the LightSpeed [AC]™ is based on 115/230V why it supports all motherboards.

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There is very little performance difference between 507 and 404a. Fine tuning makes more of a difference.

Crankster:

Why can you say it's just a clone? Only because it looks like a lian-li-prommy?

If you build a unit that fits under an existing PC case it will always look a little bit like a prommy. And if you give it a lian li - finish it'll of course look like a prommy with lian li kit.
Everybody knows that the lian li cases are very popular so why shouldn't they produce a compatible phase change unit? only because a competitor did that before?

Well, they could have located the display anywhere else, maybe at the bottom, to let it look a little bit different but anybody would always say it would look like a clone.

well i will be selling my mach1 as soon as this comes out if it performs well.

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Originally posted by Ragnarok
I am sure Nventiv will hit back with a vegeance.. ummm autocascade Mach III :D

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I was just thinking this:

If nVENTIV manages to produce a unit that does the same thing as the MachII/Vapo LS at a cost of less than $350.00 US Dollars...the phasechange war will be won.

If you get prices that low...market saturation will go from around 3% of OCers worldwide to prolly about 40% if not more.

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Originally posted by Master_G
What are you basing that upon?
Has anyone actually seen this thing in the flesh?
I think Asetek-bashing when no one has even seen more than two pictures of this product is a little pointless myself.

G

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http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/downl...ghtSpeed.gifif

I don't need to see it in the flesh, the Prommi Lian Li kit manages to match up the position and numbering of its grille holes with the Lian Li case, according to pictures from Asetek themselves, this doesn't...

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Originally posted by baker18
I guess , Im getting something out of this...........

quote from the vapochill forums:

"Our new evaporator design is a hybrid between different ideas, and one of the designs we got inspired from was Bakers. We acknowledge that, and he will get a VapoChill LS for free at his doorstep. It's not a copy of his design, as we improved it, but we would like to credit him for his ideas."

My next generation cpu evap will handle 200 watts of heat. This evap will only be available if you buy one of my custom units. There are alot of stuff coming so stay tune.......

baker18

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asetek should put *Designed/Inspired by Baker18 from XtremeSystems.org* on every box that utlizes your evap design. :D

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Originally posted by Turbo
asetek should put *Designed/Inspired by Baker18 from XtremeSystems.org* on every box that utlizes your evap design. :D

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Phobos, evidently i see something you don't see or the other way around... Considering the market asetek is aming for, (IE overclockers) and may of them hang aroun here, this is extremely close to a facial slap IMHO..

Ok, only one question. How accurate is the displayed temp? After the big stink raised by asetek about the mach displays being so inaccurate (and they are inaccurate) lets see if they were willing to build an accurate unit instead of an inaccurate unit that displays low temps just to sell units. The first person to hookup a fluke (or other themometer with better than +/-.3% accuracy) to a vapochill LS can prove or disprove this.

Here is the official reply by Asetek regarding the Prommy-Li like look:

3. Since the first entrance of Lian Li cases on the market, people have been building in their VapoChill unit. Furthermore the original idea of building a compressor into a Lian Li styled box under the PC was done by a case modder from Holland, for a system for CeBIT. When nVENTIV saw that, they "adopted" his idea. So there is really nothing new into this either.

you can find the full text here.

Didn't know about that one i must confess... Now i will scour the web for counterweapons

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Now i will scour the web for counterweapons

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...against Asetek? :confused:

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Originally posted by phobos
Do you really think that custom units would be cheaper?? Just imagine the time you need to build a phase change unit!

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Um no... maybe reread my post? I didnt say that either. I said one must keep in mind that they cost too much already. This was a statement I was essentially agreeing with and reiterating from one of our guru's. Lets say custom work should cost DOUBLE or triple. Ok fair enough. Anyone going to pay 2 grand?

The person I was directing my comment towards, Gary Lloyd, seem to be implying that forum members could make better customs that were more worth the money at least. All those guys are great - I'm sure they can. He might have even implied it could be price competitive but my only comment was this.... I dont see our refridgeration gurus going at this. I was very intersted in a custom captain cascade made unit and so were others. I'd be happy to take a look at XS'ers unit.

So basically to summarize, it was asked why people are buying up prommies and vapos when there are reasonable alternatives. Being in the market for a mach I.... show me! An honest request from someone who doesnt want to be in the category of the so-called silly guys who should have gotten a custom from XS. I dont see my choice in the matter and I dont feel comfortable asking around. "Hey will you make me..."

Well i guess i have stayed out long enought..:)

ok guys for one i am glad the new vapo is comming out and am happy to see it.competiton is great for everyone...:D

as far as who coppied who...well i am not getting into that one.but vapos were out a long time ago.

as fas as the baker blocks we have been working on..well i think asetek giving baker one was a nice thing..
you know they didnt have to do a thing.but instead they are shipping him a new light speed as soon as they have a 115v available to the states.that was a pretty nice thing to do.baker and i both know its real easy to change one small thing and copy it legally so thats no big deal...and was sorta exspected..
but them stepping up to the plate and giving him a new unit was nice...

as far as how much heat they can handle..

well the proms and the vapos new or old can give be measured in so many differant ways it isnt funny...
i can take one 150 watt heat load and kill a mach II but take that same 150 watts of heat and hold at -20 or so..it is all in how they are applied..so lets not worry about how much heat they advertise they can remove...

in the new month..april i will hopefully be doing a excate test on the new unit...i will be using a old mach II and a old vapo xe and hope fully a new unit or 2 ...(lightspeed maybe and new mach II)i am hoping.as far as i know i have a new mach II coming and hopefully have a new lightspeed)

i will showing excate heat loads and how i can munipulate the heat loads to show what i want...but i will show the loads applied and how they fair also on a real cpu.

but i will show how i do it and what each is really doing.then i hope to place each with the same cpu/motherboard,and do a windows test..
by using the same hardwear to test ..i eliminate any diffeances between cpus and motherboards...so i will be testing apples to apples..and we will see..

so if you guys want a real test....i hope to be doing one soon..


as far as i know this would be the first test ever between the 2 giants in the cooling arena...plus i have the tools to measure real heat applied.so we will see...

i would like to say more but untill i know for sure the hardwear is on the way..i better not..

but i am a unbiased person..i only care about facts and cooling...i am not going to say any bad words about either product.as i am just going to give my results and let the results speak for themself...i personally like both companys

so how many want a real test done on the units....?

I for one do, a test by you Bowman would be the definitive review of phase change cooling on the web IMO.

G

Bowman, I can't wait to read your test :D

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but i am a unbiased person..i only care about facts and cooling...i am not going to say any bad words about either product.as i am just going to give my results and let the results speak for themself...i personally like both companys

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Exactly my opinion bowman.
But I don't like people b1tching companies like it was done above.

I owned two classic vapos and a PE and now I own a Mach I.

All of these were great products and support was great at both companies.

I'll always buy the system with the best bang for the buck, no matter wich company produces it ;)

Ditto. edit: in reference to Master_G post.

Yep, that way I wouldn't have to read any other reviews of the units or separate forum fact and fiction.

who gives a rat's ass how it looks? We all know that current vapochill units look like pregnant penguins, and now you are complaining? Gimme a break. If it costs less than the Mach II especially with the Lian Li case then I dont see what is wrong, especially if it performs better. Competition is good, what encouragement would nVentive have to make a better product if there was no competition??? None, they can sit around and never improve and people will continue to buy their product. No updates, competition is good for progression, end of story.

Slickthellama:

That's exactly how it is ;)

Btw: I love that movie...... :D

Looking forward to the test, Bowman.. :)


The sooner, the better.. :)



FT.

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I dont think all that noise about whos copying who would have ever started if all that big thread about asetek blaming nventiv etc was never started...

I personally dont think EITHER that asetek would have shipped an LS unit to baker if this thread was never started either...i may be wrong though.

Its all that background that seems a bit wrong with their new product launch that has made people a bit upset etc...

For me it all started with the new antartica...or LRWW block...

then the thread in XS about asetek vs nVENTIV...

now with their new product launch...

One followed by the other...

I just want to point one thing out....nVentiv will have a good comeback up their sleeeve for sure. So I suggest you wait. Now im going to give you guys a clue. There is a cebit show ocmming up and nventiv is going to participate. now this show features new products -- so do you really think nventiv will be showcasing their mach2 again? NO! so ther you have it. from here on in just use common sense..

also itsn ot very easy for nventiv to make a r404a cooling unit. the problem is that nventiv is ISO certified and they need approval before they begin manafacturing a r404a cooling system and it takes about 6months to get this approval. asetek is not iso certified and that way they do whatever they want..nventiv does things right.....

atm seems asetek is looking appealing. the "Stoc" LS will feature a lianli bottom case whicb saves you about $180 (if you decided to buy a mk2 + lianli mod). those who already have the pc65 just snap it right on and your good to go. sure those who are using r404a/r502/r507 modded mk1/2's should hold on to their units because they will perform on par with the LS however the LS will make a good first phase change system for someone. asetek has to be accurate with their temps after all of the flaming they did about nventivs temps.

well as always i talked to my reseller friends and this unit is going to be CHEAP! going to be approx 850~870 shipped from my pals. will post the link once its up. dont want to make any empty promises. :toast:

im going to be completely honest here...i know no one really cares but my mk2 is going. thing is still sealed in the box so im going to get rid of it asap and pick a LS up! w00t! going to get 2x..one for cpu and the other for gpu -- looks like that it will be vry easy to mount this on my 9800xt :toast:

I will be happy to see Bowman test both units also. No one is more qualified or more unbiased.

BTW I should mention that I may have made a mistake in an earlier post when I stated that asetek said they were sending Cathar an LS. I went back looking for that post and all I found was the one about Baker, so I'm sorry if I got them confused. I really thought I saw posts about them both....my apologies to Cathar and asetek for my mistake.:shrug: