Nvidia implements 'time bomb' for ATI users running PhysX

It may or may not be legal. I suspect the courts will have to decide that very matter in the near future.

But regardless of the legality - I already paid for the card and intend on using it to my satisfaction. I may very well take Luca's suggestion and not buy an Nvidia card next time if they haven't changed their policy and all else is equal. But in the mean time I'm going to keep using Physx on the card I already have, regardless of what the law or Nvidia says about it. I know what I believe is right and Nvidia is powerless to stop me from acting on it.

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Originally Posted by Final8ty

Oh right! I didn't notice that i was hitting the ball in the same place & power & spin every time & every shot was exactly the same & every game had the same out come.
Dice has a less predictable outcome because you have initially less initial control over it. but once things are set in motion then it gets calculated all the same.

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I'm not saying how the game you are talking about works...but you would agree with me in that pool is not random. Is there physics in pool? Sure there are...but not randomness.

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Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro

Still, you can't expect that a FEATURE of a specific product of a certain manufacturer to be compatible with it's direct competitor product as well, even though they share the same "functioning" environment. It makes no sense.

I am pretty sure no court would blame nVidia for not guaranteeing proper functioning of a feature of it's own hardware when a competitor's hardware is present on the same platform.

They are not obligated to make a feature of their own compatible with their competitor's products, therefore, they can avoid exposing it's own product/feature to a supposed non enjoyable/ non compatible/random experience by simply disabling that feature under specific conditions.

It's their feature, they decide how you can use it or not.

Don't agree? Don't buy.

Problem solved.

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Lets see. Imagine I bought and Ageia PPU some time ago. Why am I not allowed to use it now? The problem is not that NVIDIA deactivates its hardware acceleration por physx if they detect some non-NVIDIA card...the problem is that they didn't do that at the beginning and, as such, many people bought a NVIDIA card just for this reason. And now what, they can change the rules of the game for no reason? This can't be legal at all, imagine they did the same with the 3D option: you buy the screen, the glasses and the NVIDIA card (to match your ATI one) to rule 3D. Then, all of a sudden, they restrict 3D to only-NVIDIA-rigs...and you get screwed. This is NOT normal, no matter your moral, its not.

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Originally Posted by prava

I'm not saying how the game you are talking about works...but you would agree with me in that pool is not random. Is there physics in pool? Sure there are...but not randomness.

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By its intended purpose its not meant to be, but by the very nature of the objects the out come can be very random from what was intend.

Dice have to be thrown, if pool was played the same why with throwing the cue ball at the balls on the table the same way you have to throw a dice then it would just as unpredictable.

If i placed a Dice on the table & hit it with the cue so that it did not roll & tumble then the out come would be more predictable with what number came up.

Its all about the initial control over an object & the rules of play in whether or not how random the possible out come will be in these environments.

Anyway Physics is governed by rules it only seems random to us because we don't have to mental capacity to simply work it all out & the ability to controls everything precisely enough.

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Originally Posted by Dami3n

I can´t understand how this guys of Nvidia are making business with those "brilliant" ideas :shrug:

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Simple, it's because the whole thing is just a tempest in a teacup. Just because there are a few guys on forums royally pissed off about something the mainstream/OEM/casual market won't necessarily reflect that. Most people just don't know and/or care.

The resentment stems from people feeling that they have the right to use their Nvidia cards for PhysX even if they have an AMD card installed as primary. That might be a reasonable stance but really, the vast majority of people don't get that emotional about their computer hardware. Maybe if Dell or some bigtime developer makes it an issue it will have an impact to the bottomline.

Nvidia's inability to execute on their bread and butter business will hurt them a lot more than anything related to PhysX ever will.

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Simple, it's because the whole thing is just a tempest in a teacup. Just because there are a few guys on forums royally pissed off about something the mainstream/OEM/casual market won't necessarily reflect that. Most people just don't know and/or care.

The resentment stems from people feeling that they have the right to use their Nvidia cards for PhysX even if they have an AMD card installed as primary. That might be a reasonable stance but really, the vast majority of people don't get that emotional about their computer hardware. Maybe if Dell or some bigtime developer makes it an issue it will have an impact to the bottomline.

Nvidia's inability to execute on their bread and butter business will hurt them a lot more than anything related to PhysX ever will.

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The reason why the majority don't get upset about such things in the computer world is through ignorance of the platform and that many cant see the potential harm of something & that it is happening until it far to late.

Even Hitler was non threatening & cute once upon a time.

majority of people only run a single GPU as well, and to them technically physx is useless given the immense slowdowns it causes when being run on the same GPU as graphics are also being done.

Really PhysX is only for multi-GPU people and tech demos.

technically it could be for anyone, but nV claims the dev's are the ones not allowing multithreading.. so...

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Originally Posted by Final8ty

Even Hitler was non threatening & cute once upon a time.

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Poor choice of analogy. :shakes:

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Originally Posted by Flinch

Luka_Aveiro hit the nail on the head.

Final8ty, take some Business, Micro/Macro Economics classes and you'll fully understand the cut throat nature of the beast. I'm not being sarcastic either. You'd be amazed just how business is run.

The bottom line-It's Nvidias and they have no obligation what-so-ever to give that technology to anyone, regardless of how people feel about it.

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Basic business sense - the more products you sell, the more profit you make.

If Nvidia allow their cards to work for Physx allongside ATI cards, more people would have bought them and Nvidia would make more money.

I wouldnt like to be in yours, or Nvidias Business or Economic classes.

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

Poor choice of analogy. :shakes:

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There was a film where he's DNA had been saved & decades later he was brought back as a new born baby & people were trying to kill him while he was still a child for preventative measure.

You don't leave a cancer to grow no matter how small it started out when you became aware of it.

Anyway you get my point.

If your point is that aggressive business tactics by a graphics card company is comparable to cancer, war and genocide then I certainly don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Final8ty

There was a film where he's DNA had been saved & decades later he was brought back as a new born baby & people were trying to kill him while he was still a child for preventative measure.

You don't leave a cancer to grow no matter how small it started out when you became aware of it.

Anyway you get my point.

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What's that movie called? Sounds interesting. Anyway, sorry for being offtopic :)

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Originally Posted by Musho

What's that movie called? Sounds interesting. Anyway, sorry for being offtopic :)

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I cant remember.

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

If your point is that aggressive business tactics by a graphics card company is comparable to cancer, war and genocide then I certainly don't get it.

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As usual you have a habit of totally not getting something because comparing it literally to the severity & not the obvious point of prevention of wrong doing or harm because it currently does not represent any great problem does not mean it will not become one if unchecked.

Just because someone goes to prison for one crime does not mean that anyone is say all people going to prison are considers to have committed crimes of the same severity.

What's there to get? You're trying to add gravity to a trivial issue by making ridiculous comparisons to widespread death and murder. The only reason you feel compelled to do so is that you realize the issue itself isn't worthy of the intense disdain you feel and therefore need to reach for something more provocative.

Tell me, what's the "great problem" that will befall us if Nvidia isn't stopped?

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

What's there to get? You're trying to add gravity to a trivial issue by making ridiculous comparisons to widespread death and murder. The only reason you feel compelled to do so is that you realize the issue itself isn't worthy of the intense disdain you feel and therefore need to reach for something more provocative.

Tell me, what's the "great problem" that will befall us if Nvidia isn't stopped?

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And i will have to repeat the point again because as i have just said to not take the comparisons literally & yet you fail instantly.

The point is that small problems can become bigger ones if gone unchecked & no comparisons are needed to understand that.

And if Nvidia is not stopped i would rather not have to find that out because the possibilities are endless but i can not see any good coming from it.

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Originally Posted by Final8ty

The point is that small problems can become bigger ones if gone unchecked & no comparisons are needed to understand that.

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Yes, of course but that alone isn't of any practical concern unless the "bigger ones" are actually serious. My point is that the melodrama is overblown in context of the issue we're discussing. What's the worst that could happen? Some people don't see some effects in games? Nvidia goes out of business? The world is surely coming to an end.

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Yes, of course but that alone isn't of any practical concern unless the "bigger ones" are actually serious. My point is that the melodrama is overblown in context of the issue we're discussing. What's the worst that could happen? Some people don't see some effects in games? Nvidia goes out of business? The world is surely coming to an end.

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Indeed blown out of proportion.

And of no practical concern unless the "bigger ones" are actually serious is a matter of opinion.

Having Fun is a serious concern for many & being a PC enthusiast & PC gamer is part of my fun & we have already seen the effects of what consoles are having on PC gaming & we don't need to have any help from PC hardware companies fragmenting gaming further.

Phyxs is dead as far as i'm concerned but what next will NV do if the message its ok every time it pulls such a stunt.

And let me remind you that i have said in the past that if ATI was doing the same my resolve would be just the same.

I'm not sure why they're trying to keep it a closed API. If anything, more people would use PhysX if both ATi and nVidia supported it.

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Originally Posted by Final8ty

I cant remember.

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I believe it's Ira Levin's (author of the book) "The Boys from Brazil" you're referring to. The boys are raised in similar environment as Hitler was.

Despite all Nvidia's PR BS, i think they push in the right direction. Geometry, physics and IQ is where real time lacks from now. Hardware makers put all of their effort on shading/texturing for like 10 years, we ve reached a point when it's time to move on something else. It doesn't mean there s no more boundaries to reach on shaders, lightning, etc..but the evolution ratio should be different now.
PhysX is a really good intention, with a bad PR strategy.

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Originally Posted by marten_larsson

I believe it's Ira Levin's (author of the book) "The Boys from Brazil" you're referring to. The boys are raised in similar environment as Hitler was.

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That's the one :)

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Originally Posted by Mestace

Despite all Nvidia's PR BS, i think they push in the right direction. Geometry, physics and IQ is where real time lacks from now. Hardware makers put all of their effort on shading/texturing for like 10 years, we ve reached a point when it's time to move on something else. It doesn't mean there s no more boundaries to reach on shaders, lightning, etc..but the evolution ratio should be different now.
PhysX is a really good intention, with a bad PR strategy.

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Yep its wasted.