Thuban 1055T/1090T Previews, info and Reviews

very nice prices

Just ordered a 1055 on Newegg...

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Originally Posted by Xoulz

How is cost irrelevant?

Slap this baby down on my AM3 board... off and running! It's convienant and cheap.

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Read the post again carefully, the cost to AMD is irrelevant to the end user, cost to us is what is irrelevent. If it cost AMD 50 bucks or 150 bucks or 500 bucks to actually make the processor that cost is irrelevant to the end user (it may be relevant to shareholders :) ), what they charge you and me at retail is all that matters to the end user.

The point is that it costs AMD more to make a 6 core than it does Intel to make a quad core.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

The point is that it costs AMD more to make a 6 core than it does Intel to make a quad core.

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How do you know? proof please or epic fail. :yepp:

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

The point is that it costs AMD more to make a 6 core than it does Intel to make a quad core.

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it does? how much does RnD factor in, or the cost to push for the 45nm process, or how many i7's vs PIIs were sold since then. do we know all those numbers, for all we know i7 may not have paid off, and phenom has. i dont think its ever going to be that simple to figure out which cost more when all were going by is mm2 size

Very nice prices, hard to resist... just ordered 1090T for my backup rig @ egg with Crosshair IV.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

it does? how much does RnD factor in, or the cost to push for the 45nm process, or how many i7's vs PIIs were sold since then. do we know all those numbers, for all we know i7 may not have paid off, and phenom has. i dont think its ever going to be that simple to figure out which cost more when all were going by is mm2 size

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I hope you're not serious.

And all Jack commented was on the size, he didn't say anything else and just by going by size AMD does have to spend more and get less.

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Originally Posted by Nelly

How do you know? proof please or epic fail. :yepp:

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260 mm^2 vs 350 mm^2, yields are lower and costs are higher.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

260 mm^2 vs 350 mm^2, yields are lower and costs are higher.

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How do you know yields are lower at GF? I always thought production yields were highly guarded secrets. :eek:

Woot. The egg is showing 1090T, mine on the way.

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Originally Posted by freeloader

How do you know yields are lower at GF? I always thought production yields were highly guarded secrets. :eek:

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I don't, it is logical larger die yield less. This is a fundamental fact.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

I don't, it is logical larger die yield less. This is a fundamental fact.

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Across the same platform, this is true. Honestly, how can this be taken for granted when comparing different fabrication facilities using different techniques?

A quick video review I saw on youtube....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PODxo...NQ&feature=sub

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Originally Posted by MirageSys

Across the same platform, this is true. Honestly, how can this be taken for granted when comparing different fabrication facilities using different techniques?

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You see that's a good point... however, it is still fundamental, AMD get's less die per wafer than Intel does, this is a huge cost delta.

Frankly, why does anyone care what it costs AMD, they are selling these for 300 bucks a pop.... to achieve i7 like performance at 300 bucks is a good deal. What difference does it make? AMD is certainly making money on these since they are well above their ASPs generating ~ 40% gross margins.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

You see that's a good point... however, it is still fundamental, AMD get's less die per wafer than Intel does, this is a huge cost delta.

Frankly, why does anyone care what it costs AMD, they are selling these for 300 bucks a pop.... to achieve i7 like performance at 300 bucks is a good deal. What difference does it make? AMD is certainly making money on these since they are well above their ASPs generating ~ 40% gross margins.

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i think the ftc is trying to neutralize this price advantage, as part of their lawsuit. i am of the same as JJ though, i thought everyone (err everyone here at XS lol) knew that chips cost more for amd than they do intel? but since amd got some of their tech back into the fold (apm i believe it is....when GF bought chartered), we might see in the future that this "cost" disparity; will become closer.

From http://vr-zone.com/forums/641279/amd...re-i7-860.html

According to documents from AMD,

Phenom II X6 1055T

at Cinebench 2%
at Pov-Ray 19%
at 3DMark Vantage 1%
at Crysis 1%

faster than Core i7 860 !

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