A Semi-accurate Look into Fermi

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12-12-2009, 02:54 PM
dengyong

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Anyway, if fermi doesn't have something similar to Eyefinity for gamers, in my opinion it's not something i'd even consider a worthwhile upgrade regardless of how 'fast' it may or may not be. Frame rates add nothing to an experience, at least for myself.

So you wouldn't mind a steady 5fps ? http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3959/tease1.gif
12-12-2009, 02:56 PM
JohnZS

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

The UK has been getting a constant supply of cards, while that supply wasn't exactly huge, there was a supply. You seem to be implying no cards in the UK, which is false.

Here is the current availability at two large UK e-tailers. Scan.co.uk Radeon 5870...0 in stock
And at Overclockers UK we have 7 special edition Waterblock cards in stock which are expensive.

These cards only came into stock at Overclockers this week... everwhere else was showing as "Pre-Order". My guess is that cards were pre-ordered and then shipped until stocks ran dry.

flippin_waffles
Fermi will have 3D Stereo Vision oh and CUDA and Phyx ;)
12-12-2009, 03:08 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

These cards only came into stock at Overclockers this week... everwhere else was showing as "Pre-Order". My guess is that cards were pre-ordered and then shipped until stocks ran dry.

flippin_waffles
Fermi will have 3D Stereo Vision oh and CUDA and Phyx ;)

Yes AMD was getting weekly shipments of "thousands of units" how those are distributed worldwide, I don't know exact numbers, but I would agree with you that the supply those etailers get are still going out to past preorders.
12-12-2009, 03:57 PM
safan80

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Anyway, if fermi doesn't have something similar to Eyefinity for gamers, in my opinion it's not something i'd even consider a worthwhile upgrade regardless of how 'fast' it may or may not be. Frame rates add nothing to an experience, at least for myself.

Fermi does not need Eyefinity. If playing games with three monitors were to take off it would of done so already. Anyone remember Matrox? Fermi only needs to be able to able the fastest thing on the market at the time of release(including being able to beat a certain dual card). Like I've said I'll wait for a rehash before looking at Fermi. Fermi has given way to a lot of doubts about it and Nvidia. Fermi has already been a big disappointment for those that have been waiting. Three years and Nvidia still does not have a new arch. :shakes:
12-12-2009, 04:05 PM
kadozer

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Originally Posted by safan80

Fermi does not need Eyefinity. If playing games with three monitors were to take off it would of done so already. Anyone remember Matrox? Fermi only needs to be able to able the fastest thing on the market at the time of release(including being able to beat a certain dual card). Like I've said I'll wait for a rehash before looking at Fermi. Fermi has given way to a lot of doubts about it and Nvidia. Fermi has already been a big disappointment for those that have been waiting. Three years and Nvidia still does not have a new arch. :shakes:

Matrox was severely limited. It was only last year it bumped up its resolution capability and even then still pales to eyeinfinity.
12-12-2009, 04:07 PM
flippin_waffles

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Originally Posted by dengyong

So you wouldn't mind a steady 5fps ? http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3959/tease1.gif

really? what games do the current gen cards run at a steady 5 fps? i thought cards on the market are more than strong enough to run todays games at high quality settings and very playable frame rates. playable is playable IMO. higher fps doesn't make it 'more playable' as long as it's above at least 30 at least in my experience.

@ JohnZS Cuda and Physx don't add anything from what i've seen so far. physx is proprietary and a dead end, and for the few obscure effects that it adds seems to be more marketing than anything else. Cuda does nothing for me as an end user either. 3D vision might add to the immersion level and realism. too bad it doesn't increase the FOV, that would be a killer setup.
12-12-2009, 04:16 PM
dengyong

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

really? what games do the current gen cards run at a steady 5 fps? i thought cards on the market are more than strong enough to run todays games at high quality settings and very playable frame rates. playable is playable IMO. higher fps doesn't make it 'more playable' as long as it's above at least 30 at least in my experience.

Just yankin ya chain... so frame rate doesn't matter to you, as long as it stays above 30fps. :D
12-12-2009, 04:38 PM
tajoh111

At this point, I think even if Nvidia launched a single card for the entire world, I wouldn't mind. Well of course I would mind, it would give the darn world some idea what they have been waiting for.

I think NV is just scared now to release any information until they get decent quantities in the shops. The 4870 was not close to one of the best cards in history, however its one of the bet comeback cards in history and part of that was that it was a sneak attack. No one had an idea of the specs, including NV, the sharp price drop and the refund to earlier customers was a sign of this.

Additionally the more NV hypes this card, the less likely its going to live up to the hype and be panned by critics.

Regardless, this is frustrating for people who are waiting.
12-12-2009, 04:53 PM
flippin_waffles

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Originally Posted by dengyong

Just yankin ya chain... so frame rate doesn't matter to you, as long as it stays above 30fps. :D

haha well sarcasm aside, I just figured that 30 fps was implied as it seems to be the standard for what is acceptable game play!
12-12-2009, 05:33 PM
Motiv

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Originally Posted by safan80

Fermi does not need Eyefinity. If playing games with three monitors were to take off it would of done so already. Anyone remember Matrox? Fermi only needs to be able to able the fastest thing on the market at the time of release(including being able to beat a certain dual card). Like I've said I'll wait for a rehash before looking at Fermi. Fermi has given way to a lot of doubts about it and Nvidia. Fermi has already been a big disappointment for those that have been waiting. Three years and Nvidia still does not have a new arch. :shakes:

DiCE are going to be using eye infinity in Bad Company 2 and probably MoH and BF3. this will put those without 3 monitors at a disadvantage in competitive matches.

So, what will be the outcome for the competitive gamer and more precisly, for graphics cards manufacturers who don't have multimonitor support?
12-12-2009, 06:02 PM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

haha well sarcasm aside, I just figured that 30 fps was implied as it seems to be the standard for what is acceptable game play!

30fps my ass.
12-12-2009, 06:35 PM
stangracin3

i'd like to see someone play cod mw 2 at 30 fps, that game gets choppy at anything under 75
12-12-2009, 06:35 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

haha well sarcasm aside, I just figured that 30 fps was implied as it seems to be the standard for what is acceptable game play!

30FPS, or even 60fps? Unacceptable in any serious multiplayer game IMO. :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down:
12-12-2009, 06:41 PM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

30FPS, or even 60fps? Unacceptable in any game. :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down:

Fixed.
12-12-2009, 06:51 PM
Solus Corvus

Personally I'd like a constant 120fps with true triple buffering on a 120hz 24"+ monitor but we aren't there yet. :(
12-12-2009, 06:56 PM
Sly Fox

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

Personally I'd like a constant 120fps with true triple buffering on a 120hz 24"+ monitor but we aren't there yet. :(

Quoted for Truth!!! :up:
12-12-2009, 07:51 PM
flippin_waffles

Bah humbug! Whatever floats your boat, but well i'm quite happy with 30 fps and do quite well in games, or at least i used to before i got this amazing satelite 'broadband'.
12-12-2009, 07:57 PM
safan80

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

Personally I'd like a constant 120fps with true triple buffering on a 120hz 24"+ monitor but we aren't there yet. :(

pff take your tiny monitor and shove it. I want better 30" monitors, 24" is so 2004. I want my OLED 30" monitor already.
12-12-2009, 08:00 PM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

Personally I'd like a constant 120fps with true triple buffering on a 120hz 24"+ monitor but we aren't there yet. :(

That's exactly what I want. But I only have a mere Samsung 2233RZ... no >22" or OLED yet. I'm addicted to 120Hz.
12-12-2009, 08:09 PM
xenolith

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If all goes well, risk wafers valid, A3 production went in on Dec 1, and all the stars align, you are looking at Dec 1 +6 weeks +2 weeks, or about Feb 1 for real availability.

Am I the only one who would think the timing real fishy if TSMC's 40nm process capacity suddenly surged in the next month or two?
12-12-2009, 10:52 PM
YukonTrooper

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

haha well sarcasm aside, I just figured that 30 fps was implied as it seems to be the standard for what is acceptable game play!

I think you're right. I'm pretty sure I remember reading about the standard in the Old Testament.

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

That's exactly what I want. But I only have a mere Samsung 2233RZ... no >22" or OLED yet. I'm addicted to 120Hz.

I was thinking about trying a 120Hz monitor, but going from a 24" P-MVA to a 22" TN would probably be difficult. :(
12-13-2009, 01:13 AM
safan80

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Originally Posted by YukonTrooper

I think you're right. I'm pretty sure I remember reading about the standard in the Old Testament.

I thought it was written on 3dfx's grave stone ;)
12-13-2009, 05:34 AM
Blacky

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

Personally I'd like a constant 120fps with true triple buffering on a 120hz 24"+ monitor but we aren't there yet. :(

Soon my friend soon :D
12-13-2009, 05:55 AM
trinibwoy

6-bit TN 16:9 panel? No thanks.
12-13-2009, 06:09 AM
Helloworld_98

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Originally Posted by trinibwoy

6-bit TN 16:9 panel? No thanks.

you do know they have to be TN panels because of the low response times needed and because they need to be able to take the higher heat levels created due to the higher refresh rate.

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