[Review] PrimoChill Typhoon III

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

I have had my share of foot-in-mouth syndrome on the intraweb more than once.

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The difference is that you can say that where others attempt to justify it.

wow just wow...this thread was doing great now we are bashing each other...oh well I just want to buy the tyhpoon 3 baby....

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Originally Posted by JOCKTHEGLIDE

wow just wow...this thread was doing great now we are bashing each other...oh well I just want to buy the tyhpoon 3 baby....

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True. On with the discussion, lest we fall to their level! My greatest pleasure with this whole thing is that it represents a change in technology, not just a wee bit better way to do the same old tired thing. If water cooling is to remain a definer of those who have rigs, as opposed to those who buy a Compaq, HP or Gateway, we need to see new ideas on the market. Water cooling is becoming way too main stream. I find that this concept will give rise to a whole new generation of blocks, rads and procedures.

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Originally Posted by Capt Proton

Water cooling is becoming way too main stream. I find that this concept will give rise to a whole new generation of blocks, rads and procedures.

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I find that one hard to believe that water cooling is becoming main stream not yet at least if HP and the other PC makers out there could make a complete dummy proof system with a tyhpoon 3 setup then yeah then I can see it becoming main stream for now its still an underground thing.

Congrats on ruining a pretty interesting thread. Bravo lads, bravo. :clap:

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Originally Posted by MomijiTMO

Congrats on ruining a pretty interesting thread. Bravo lads, bravo. :clap:

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BAh all you have to do is weed through the BS and read the few good posts. I have an industrial strength scroll wheel on my mouse. :rofl:

Srsly. Thread is back on track.

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Originally Posted by bluehaze

No, your right, I won't be buying it...it's just hard to sit by and watch people get sucked in by the hype and spend hard earned money thinking they are getting something they are not.

But I guess it will all work out in the end once the product is in more people hands and we have some more data on it.

If it is some revolutionary new product I will eat my words and whole heartedly apologize but somehow I find it hard to believe that is going to happen :rolleyes:

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Unfortunately your ignorance regarding the physics of flow is what is holding you back from ever understanding why the T3 is great. The fact is with the T3 mounted to a D5 you get increased flow. End of story, period. Increased flow = better performance even though we may not be able to measure it on our systems. When will the T3 be great? when manufacturers start putting out products that can better utilize said increased flow. Until then I guess the T3 only offers you a super convenient way to run 2 loops, mount a D5, and bleed the system. shucks :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by bluehaze

And with that I bid this thread a fond farewell before it turns into some crazy flame war. Enjoy your T3's gentlemen.

Cheers

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Is this the new trend you are going to start when confronted? Rather then wish a fond farewell why don't you back up all your talk with real data, rather than run away with your tail between your legs :down:



Back on topic. I find it sad that someone like Skinee who invested a ton of time to reviewing this product as accurately and unbiasedly as possible is being hated on by people who have yet to provide .0001% worth of the data that Skinee has. You should all be kissing the ground skinee stands on because if you aggravate him enough its going to be one less Tester who does all the legwork for all of you lazies who want to be spoon feed results. Pathetic.


Ok seriously Back on topic. :p:

Too bad there are no pictures of the tested loop(s) as it would make for greater understanding including myself as to how this was put together. Pics of the res and pump are nice! :up:

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Originally Posted by Darth_Penguin

Unfortunately your ignorance regarding the physics of flow is what is holding you back from ever understanding why the T3 is great. The fact is with the T3 mounted to a D5 you get increased flow. End of story, period. Increased flow = better performance even though we may not be able to measure it on our systems. When will the T3 be great? when manufacturers start putting out products that can better utilize said increased flow. Until then I guess the T3 only offers you a super convenient way to run 2 loops, mount a D5, and bleed the system. shucks :rolleyes:



Is this the new trend you are going to start when confronted? Rather then wish a fond farewell why don't you back up all your talk with real data, rather than run away with your tail between your legs :down:



Back on topic. I find it sad that someone like Skinee who invested a ton of time to reviewing this product as accurately and unbiasedly as possible is being hated on by people who have yet to provide .0001% worth of the data that Skinee has. You should all be kissing the ground skinee stands on because if you aggravate him enough its going to be one less Tester who does all the legwork for all of you lazies who want to be spoon feed results. Pathetic.


Ok seriously Back on topic. :p:

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...oop_s5_XXX.jpg

There is more information in the other review thread skinnee posted over here:
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...oon-iii-4.html

Like I said I'm not going to get invloved in all the flaming.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by bluehaze

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There is more information in the other review thread skinnee posted over here:
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...oon-iii-4.html

Like I said I'm not going to get invloved in all the flaming.

Thanks

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from the guy who gave you that image:

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In other words, is the T3 registering ~2 gpm on the lower ports WHILE its registering ~ 1.5gpm on the upper one? Or did you seal off the ports of the opposing loops to get these numbers?

If the flow numbers have been taken separately, then this information really tells us nothing. If they were taken simultaneously, then it is actually showing a rather unique inherent capability of the Typhoon III. It potentially has the capability to configure a parallel loop set up that can deliver a higher rate of flow to individual components in a system

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he was under an assumption, if the assumption is true, which i bet it is, then i bolded what is opinion was

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Originally Posted by bluehaze

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There is more information in the other review thread skinnee posted over here:
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...oon-iii-4.html

Like I said I'm not going to get invloved in all the flaming.

Thanks

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He did say that graph was photoshoped, so the numbers may not be exact, but close enough.

The only issue is that is only showing a serial loop. BoxGods has stated that the T3 is designed around a parallel loop. The serial loop test was just to show it is a capable pump head till you get everything setup for your parallel loops.

Well that is the next issue once you set it up with parallel loops it isn't going to make any difference to your temps so what's the point? If your going to do a true 2 loop setup you want to have 2 res and 2 pumps to actually see any change in temps. I mean i've argued in circles that a Y on the outlet of a pump with both loops dumping back into seperate ports on any res will accomplish the same thing as the T3 but honestly I just choose to bow out of this thread at this point because i feel like I am just beating a dead horse and I don't want people thinking I have some vendetta against Primochill or Boxgod's or skinnee or anyone because I don't.

I just think this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion and was misrepresented in the review. That is how I feel and nothing is going to change that so there is no sense talking about it anymore.

It was fun at first but it just turns into a cesspool of flaming which is bad for my blood pressure so i'm out!

Cheers folks.

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Originally Posted by bluehaze

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...oop_s5_XXX.jpg

There is more information in the other review thread skinnee posted over here:
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...oon-iii-4.html

Like I said I'm not going to get invloved in all the flaming.

Thanks

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I have to say, you are actually an annoying person to debate with and I enjoy debates. Your pictures shows me nothing relevant. The T3 was designed to utilize 2 loops to increase flow and when set up accordingly it DOES. What i so hard to grasp about that? This is like the 3rd thread I have seen where you misinterpret the info because it doesn't fit your "logic". Maybe what boxgods should have done was install a thermostat on the T3, that would have solved it :rofl:

Here was a post from Norris a while back about his temps. I think he had a true dual loop before this, but I needs to confirm this. He saw a couple of degrees out of his GPU, and no change out of his CPU. The biggest difference is that you can run a parallel loop (costing less money than a dual), have a cleaner build, and still get good temps.

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Originally Posted by Utnorris

Ok, so since we are all still waiting for Skinnee to release his official review I thought I would share my observations now that I have it setup and running with my system up and running also. Now, first this is by no means scientific and may or may not reflect your results or even Skinnee's. That being said, here is a list of my components:

Hardware:

Rampage Extreme II
I7 920 @ 4.2Ghz with 1.28v Vcore
6Gb Dominator GT 2000Mhz @ 8-8-8-24 2t Timings
3 x GTX280 Asus Top
Intel X25-M 80Gb SSD

Cooling:

CPU Sub-loop
Heat Killer Cu 3.0
Thermochill PA120.3 with 3 x San Ace Fans at 5v

GPU Sub-loop
3 x EVGA Hydro Copper Full Cover water blocks in parrallel
Thermochill PA120.3 with 3 x San Ace Fans at 5v

RES/Pump:
Typhoon III with D5 Vario

3/8" ID, 1/2" OD Masterkleer tubing with Koolance QD's and BP Compression fittings.

Ok, so now we have the hardware listed, here is what I have observed so far and again this is in no way scientific.

The Good:

1 - Much better flow than my two MCP355's with XSPC tops, specifically on the CPU loop.

2 - Cleaner setup due to one res/pump combo.

3 - Temps on my GPU loop have gone down by a couple degrees.

4 - Looks sweet even with the stripe across the res.

5 - Less expensive than running two separate loops with separate res' and pumps.

The not so good:

1 - CPU temps didn't go down. This is probably due to the limitations of water cooling. I think I have hit my max without either doing a push/pull configuration or shrouds, both of which would be a tight fit.

2 - It's a B**ch to bleed. This is mainly due to me having such a large case and a lot of heavy equipment in the case that makes it hard to turn on it's back. Also, I think the remaining air bubbles are having baby bubbles since I can't seem to bleed it completely, close, but I still have a couple of bubbles.

3 - Fat base fittings require a new o-ring to make a proper seal.

So in conclusion, while my CPU temps did not improve my GPU temps did. This is probably due to the I7 being a very hot processor, however my GPU temps did improve probably due to the increase in Rad space being shared by the CPU loop that the CPU was not using. While there were a few things that I was disappointed in such as the white stripe, after I got it setup those things were easily forgotten by the overall performance of the unit. Remember, I am getting at least the same results and in the case of my GPU's, better results than I did with to separate loops. Up until now I would have called BS on this, but seeing is believing. I think the Typhoon III sets new standards in what we can expect from water cooling especially from a single loop divided into to two loops. Before doing this I would have stated that a dual loop would be the best option where isolating the CPU by itself would be ideal. After setting this up I am now convinced that is not the case and this single pump/res combo is equal too, if not slightly better than two individual loops. If I had to put a rating on the Typhoon III it would be:

Performance: 10 out of 10
Cosmetics: 7 out of 10 due to the white stripe and it not having LED holes.
Ease of setup: This is one is complicated since it cleans up the loop, but I found it a PITA to bleed compared to other pump/res combos I have used such as the XSPC res top, however I would still give it a 8.5 out of 10 in this category.

Overall: 9 out of 10 in my book because I value performance more than anything else and it definitely lives up to the performance expectation considering it is a single loop at heart and easily keeps up with a separate dual loop configuration.

So there you have it. Again, this is not scientific, nor will it necessarily reflect results from anyone else. I hope that this helps those that were sitting on the fence decide as I am very happy with my setup.

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*sigh* Not everyone who uses liquid to cool their pc does so with the intent of achieving the lowest temps possible without using some type of chiller, in fact most people who liquid cool their pc are trying to reduce noise or get a little better overclock. Using something like the T3 is an easy way for the average user to accomplish this and it's done without buying a second pump or reservoir if they decide that cooling graphics cards or motherboard is something they should try now that they are comfortable with a water cooled cpu. The ability to do this so simply should appeal to many making this a great way for entry level users to get something they are comfortable with using and can expand upon in the future. I have seen some concern about temps...Maybe all those users just build ghetto systems that can barely cool a gpu but have 4x the neccesary radiator for the cpu, you do realize that people can still use whatever radiator(s) they choose with a pump top/res like this and as such should be able to control their temps just fine! Why is this so difficult to understand? Is it that people feel that their iwaki's power is threatened and it will no longer be sufficient to give them a high pressure hose-out? If it's the design that you don't understand then ask for an explanantion instead of crying foul. Is the T3 something for all enthusiasts to run out and replace their DDC3.2 that probably just had to have an aftermarket to get that unmeasureable difference in their temps? No. If you are building a new system or are a first time builder the T3 might have some real value for you though.

Any word on the T3 in stock worldwide?

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Originally Posted by GregSG

Any word on the T3 in stock worldwide?

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I would send an e-mail to Primochill. Jab-tech does have a couple in stock atm it looks though.

Shall I post my pics later??? I also have a unboxing vid and some after installation stuff.

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then it is actually showing a rather unique inherent capability of the Typhoon III. It potentially has the capability to configure a parallel loop set up that can deliver a higher rate of flow to individual components in a system

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That is not unique to the typhoon. Anybody who finished elementary school knows water follows the path of least resistance. Of course the least restrictive loop will have better flow. I'm not gonna get into the rest of the shenanigans but I had to comment on this part.

Yes I was running a true dual loop. CPU only loop with a MCP355 and XSPC top, Swiftech Micro Res and a PA120.3. The GPU loop was 3 x EVGA Hydro Copper blocks, MCP355 with XSPC top, Swiftech Micro Res and a PA120.3.

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Originally Posted by Utnorris

Yes I was running a true dual loop. CPU only loop with a MCP355 and XSPC top, Swiftech Micro Res and a PA120.3. The GPU loop was 3 x EVGA Hydro Copper blocks, MCP355 with XSPC top, Swiftech Micro Res and a PA120.3.

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Seems like a pretty good real world test to me. The fact that you were able to keep the same temps and remove a pump and res from your system isn't a bad deal in my book. :up:

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Originally Posted by Utnorris

Yes I was running a true dual loop. CPU only loop with a MCP355 and XSPC top, Swiftech Micro Res and a PA120.3. The GPU loop was 3 x EVGA Hydro Copper blocks, MCP355 with XSPC top, Swiftech Micro Res and a PA120.3.

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So wait, you switched to the T3 from a true Dual Loop setup and saw improvements in your temps? If I remember your CPU Temps didnt drop but your GPU temps did?

Yeah, but like a degree or two, so that's within the margin of error and can be explained by that or maybe they are using the unused rad capacity, I mean, I do have two PA120.3's.

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

if there is nothing on the T3 that is not a mirror image, the top and bottom can be a personal choice just by flipping it over, i think. i dont have one to look at yet so i dont know if the mounting holes will work the same by putting it upside down

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That is an excellent observation. I actually had to stop a second and thing about it lol.

There is only one item that is not mirrored. The logo on the front (which is VERY hard to see by design). Also, I designed it so that the pump would be deeper in the case as seen from the access/window side so that the pumps wire would be easier to stealth, and so that the ports are in the best place to run the loops and for access.