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01-08-2009, 12:57 PM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

Let's not forget that the first review was made by the hwbox.gr! Their results were inline with the results we see from today's reviews. So some hardcore AMD fanboys who were bi*ching at the results are owing an apology to the greek gurus.

So to sum it up:
- Deneb is great only as an upgrade for those who have AM2/AM2+ platforms.
- It offers no advantage over what is available on the market for quite some time.

i think it would be hard to apologize. i even said myself that the benchmarks they had were correct and many others did as well. there were plenty of leaked benchmarks at the time that compared. others were arguing about other things including testing methods.
01-08-2009, 01:08 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

Tough task.

For me, this visualizes what some have argued a lot here. It's about power consumption, and while PII may have better idling power consumption than Ci7, if you're a Ci7 owner, the graph below is why you love your system.

Tech Report:

That was a point I made a long time ago.
01-08-2009, 01:13 PM
rk7p5

P2's performance is exactly where i expected it to be, between q9450 and i7. Pet North did a comparo with q6600 and agena, the performance is nearly identical in real world apps. P2 is a great value for enthusiasts.
01-08-2009, 01:26 PM
gallag

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Originally Posted by rk7p5

P2's performance is exactly where i expected it to be, between q9450 and i7.

What review showed this? I thought they all showed about the same i.e ph920=q9300 and ph940=q9400
01-08-2009, 01:36 PM
gOJDO

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Originally Posted by gallag

What review showed this? I thought they all showed about the same i.e ph920=q9300 and ph940=q9400

Some people are too emotional to accept the facts.
More precisely:
Q9300~=P2 920~=Q6700
Q9450~=P2 940~=QX6800
01-08-2009, 01:38 PM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

DDR3 can't change anything...but, the hope dies last.

Hope isn't an issue here as it's never a good practice to assume. Now that we see what it does with DDR2 the picture would look more complete (for me at least) if DDR3 was used. Ideally, PII + DDR3 + 64-bit OS. :yepp:
01-08-2009, 01:44 PM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by ryboto

Really though, you think people who buy a quad core based system are using 1280x1024? Sure the lower resolutions are good to examine CPU power, but the CPU is part of the platform, what's the harm in seeing how it pushes the games at full quality? We already knew it wasn't really competitive at lower resolutions based on the hwbox(right?) review.

You can always pick a weak enough GFX card. And/Or any old enough game or maybe current and then say x CPU is enough. Its simply a poor and lame excuse. Or perhaps its quite fitting. Since Phenom 2 offers performance that was avalible 2 years ago...

Here is a 280GTX instead of a 9800GTX or something...

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...2536/17984.png
01-08-2009, 01:49 PM
v_rr

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Originally Posted by Shintai

You can always pick a weak enough GFX card. And/Or any old enough game or maybe current and then say x CPU is enough. Its simply a poor and lame excuse. Or perhaps its quite fitting. Since Phenom 2 offers performance that was avalible 2 years ago...

Here is a 280GTX instead of a 9800GTX or something...

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...2536/17984.png

You are such a fanboy:yepp:
Hand picking screens and pick the worse of them. Rest of screens with better scores:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...2536/17982.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...2536/17983.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...2536/17985.png

Review with multiple resolutions per game:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-ph...review-test/17
PhenomII 940 better then core I7 920 @ Games ^^
01-08-2009, 02:07 PM
cegras

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Originally Posted by Shintai

If we argue about the res...why even buy a Phenom 1/2 in the first place? The X2 would do fine...

And what about tomorrows games? Or games like supreme commander?

Seems desperation is on the rise...

If it makes you happy, I'll include the phenom quad cores in that statement too. Arguing that people purchase quad cores to increase their 19" gaming experience is pretty inane.
01-08-2009, 02:24 PM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by v_rr

You are such a fanboy:yepp:
Hand picking screens and pick the worse of them. Rest of screens with better scores:

I didnt pick the one with the worst performance for the PH2 to show its weak. But to show that even some games today easily bonus from a faster CPU.

You just proved that there is no reason to buy a Phenom in the other games. Since dualcores can do it just as well. Even low X2.

So why should people get a Phenom 2?

Are we buying it to play old games or future? It fails in both.

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Originally Posted by cegras

If it makes you happy, I'll include the phenom quad cores in that statement too. Arguing that people purchase quad cores to increase their 19" gaming experience is pretty inane.

Argueing that PC gaming performance is static in CPU usage is the insane part...
01-08-2009, 02:27 PM
v_rr

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Originally Posted by Shintai

I didnt pick the one with the worst performance for the PH2 to show its weak. But to show that even some games today easily bonus from a faster CPU.

You just proved that there is no reason to buy a Phenom in the other games. Since dualcores can do it just as well. Even low X2.

So why should people get a Phenom 2?

Are we buying it to play old games or future? It fails in both.

So why so much troling arround the tread... this is a tread about PhenomII, not: AMD is the next via, AMD onlyt have ph2 3.0Ghz until 2011 and Intel will have 3 new turbo arquitectures and X2 CPU are the best to play games.
01-08-2009, 02:42 PM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by v_rr

So why so much troling arround the tread... this is a tread about PhenomII, not: AMD is the next via, AMD onlyt have ph2 3.0Ghz until 2011 and Intel will have 3 new turbo arquitectures and X2 CPU are the best to play games.

I cant help you dont like the reviews and facts around. Im sorry the Phenom 2 failed to live up to the hype..again. I dont know why you and a few others love to exaggerate so much.

Also look in the mirror before calling someone anything...you seem mad and dissapointed and need an escapegoat? :shakes:

And your above statement aint correct. Plus AMD shows 3Ghz for 2009...so any speedgrade above would most likely be in 2010. I even stated the AM3 chips got a NB bump to 2Ghz.

Phenom 2 is a nice upgrade. Tho I would wait to 925 and 945. However its simply not worth it if you are getting a new system.
01-08-2009, 02:48 PM
cegras

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Argueing that PC gaming performance is static in CPU usage is the insane part...

I never said that. What I was originally implying was that if you have the money to upgrade to a quad core, buy a bigger monitor. Since nothing but the X2 (currently our 'worst' CPU) will drag you below playable framerates. Besides, they tested those games with GTX280 or whatever. Where's my 9600GT tests with CPU swapping at lower resolution?
01-08-2009, 02:53 PM
T_Flight

Shintai, coming into these threads on here is really pointless. The reviews and the benchmarks don't matter right now. It's a perception that's not gonnna change. The benchmarks only matter when they show the results they desire. Right now that ain't the case, so they don't matter.
01-08-2009, 02:54 PM
Miss Banana

Shintai, the links to all reviews are right in this thread.
If you really enjoy showing people graphs that make the Phenom look bad, why don't you make your own "Shintai's handpicked Phenom benchmarks" thread?

Also, looking at the cost of a PII system (MB with a 790X chipset for example) compared to the cost of a comparable intel system makes it obvious why so many reviews have positive conclusions about PII.

And I must be daft, but who exactly should apologise for PII not taking the performance crown? Hoping is not a crime on XS right?

AMD is making intel drop prices again. This alone makes PII competitive and a huge succes, the way I see it.

And T Flight, seriously grow up. Do you actually have some content or opinion to share, or was your intention solely to flamebate?
01-08-2009, 02:56 PM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by Miss Banana

AMD is making intel drop prices again. This alone makes PII competitive and a huge succes, the way I see it.

Could you link to those pricecuts that AMD is making Intel do?
01-08-2009, 02:57 PM
suddeath

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I haven't seen any extreme oc in those reviews yet. Here's one on cascade from www.purepc.pl:
01-08-2009, 02:59 PM
T_Flight

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Originally Posted by Miss Banana

Shintai, the links to all reviews are right in this thread.
If you really enjoy showing people graphs that make the Phenom look bad, why don't you make your own "Shintai's handpicked Phenom benchmarks" thread?

Also, looking at the cost of a PII system (MB with a 790X chipset for example) compared to the cost of a comparable intel system makes it obvious why so many reviews have positive conclusions about PII.

And I must be daft, but who exactly should apologise for PII not taking the performance crown? Hoping is not a crime on XS right?

AMD is making intel drop prices again. This alone makes PII competitive and a huge succes, the way I see it.

And T Flight, seriously grow up. Do you actually have some content or opinion to share, or was your intention solely to flamebate?

Was I talking to you? I don't wanna have anything to do with these threads. I was talking directly to Shintai.
01-08-2009, 03:04 PM
Miss Banana

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Could you link to those pricecuts that AMD is making Intel do?

I heard about them in one of the Phenom II reviews, don't recall what one.
Hmm, this must be horrible for you, to find my source, you have to actually read Phenom II reviews...

And T Flight, on this forum, when you post something, everyone can see it, not just the person you are talking to.
Messages like yours, could also be send by use of private messages, if they weren't ment as a flamebait that is...
01-08-2009, 03:07 PM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by Shintai

I didnt pick the one with the worst performance for the PH2 to show its weak. But to show that even some games today easily bonus from a faster CPU.

You just proved that there is no reason to buy a Phenom in the other games. Since dualcores can do it just as well. Even low X2.

So why should people get a Phenom 2?

Are we buying it to play old games or future? It fails in both.

Argueing that PC gaming performance is static in CPU usage is the insane part...

atm if all you do is game and you care about nothing else like multitasking, startup speeds or any other type of application then go ahead and get a dual core. it will be fine. but considering that ati and nvidia have been optimizing their drivers lately for quad cores we might see that it would be pointless to get a dual core.

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

Shintai, coming into these threads on here is really pointless. The reviews and the benchmarks don't matter right now. It's a perception that's not gonnna change. The benchmarks only matter when they show the results they desire. Right now that ain't the case, so they don't matter.

really? cause my perception has changed a lot in the past months. i have gone from being a hardcore amd fanboy to recognizing that intel can be better in the majority of tests. i understand that for the average user looking to buy a cpu that at this point they would most likely get an intel system. hopefully the athlon x4s can offer a low price without minimal performance loss and that will change things. but my views have changed. some people like you on the other hand have not changed at all and refuse to believe anything but intel is the best and anyone who has any reason for buying an amd system is either a fanboy or doesn't know what they are talking about. give it a rest i don't think any intel fanboy is going to change my decision. its just hardware that most of us buy just to have fun tweaking around with. why bother going out and telling everyone else that their cpu sucks when no one really cares? :shrug:
01-08-2009, 03:07 PM
Clairvoyant129

Results are a bit disappointing... looks like the early previews were right, clock for clock about the same level of IPC (or even slower) as Kentsfield. Looks like I rather just pick up a Q9650 or i7 920. Even an E8200 is just as fast as PII 920 in games.

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Originally Posted by v_rr

You are such a fanboy:yepp:
Hand picking screens and pick the worse of them. Rest of screens with better scores:

Review with multiple resolutions per game:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-ph...review-test/17
PhenomII 940 better then core I7 920 @ Games ^^

You're talking about hand picking but you're doing the same thing with FEAR. Not to mention FEAR is like 5 years old, it's a bad benchmark.
01-08-2009, 03:08 PM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by Miss Banana

I heard about them in one of the Phenom II reviews, don't recall what one.
Hmm, this must be horrible for you, to find my source, you have to actually read Phenom II reviews...

And T Flight, on this forum, when you post something, everyone can see it, not just the person you are talking to.
Messages like yours, could also be send by use of private messages, if they weren't ment as a flamebait that is...

So you are flamebaiting now? :p: (But its abit wierd when thinking on Phenoms 2 lack of performance. Would it be horrible for you or me...or whatever? Assuming we had a predefined wish? :confused: )

I guess there was no pricecuts.
01-08-2009, 03:12 PM
Zakiruz

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Originally Posted by Shintai

So you are flamebaiting now? :p:

I guess there was no pricecuts.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...px?i=3492&p=20

Anand mentioned rumored intel pricecuts somewhere along the review and reiterated it at the end.

EDIT: I've found it, it's metioned here: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3492&p=4
01-08-2009, 03:14 PM
Miss Banana

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Originally Posted by Shintai

So you are flamebaiting now? :p: (But its abit wierd when thinking on Phenoms 2 lack of performance. Would it be horrible for you or me...or whatever? Assuming we had a predefined wish? :confused: )

I guess there was no pricecuts.

I am not flamebating, I really do believe you have not actually read a reviews conclusion. If you would have you would know what pricecuts I am talking about.

I just found my source, the pricecuts are not yet confirmed, but the rumors come from several sources. And TBH intel HAS to pricecut the 9400 the way I see it.
01-08-2009, 03:15 PM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Here is a 280GTX instead of a 9800GTX or something...

Here is GTX 260 Core 216:

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r.../Far_Cry_2.jpg http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r..._of_Duty_4.jpg
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...is_Warhead.jpg http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r.../Fallout_3.jpg
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/860/4/
:rolleyes:

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