how does this fluid get along with a d5 mag drive pump(mcp655)?
i think this might help in a matx corei7 box i'm working on.
how does this fluid get along with a d5 mag drive pump(mcp655)?
i think this might help in a matx corei7 box i'm working on.
When we did the original research we found no damage to any of equipment. We had different concentrations of different types of nanoparticles slamming into a painted copper paint at some very high velocities with no paint peeling etc. Earlier Skinnee had reported about some staining..we only had that problem with the copper nanofluid, but that was due to the surfactant. We have been working on that, and I asked both Skinnee and HESmelaugh to look into that.
There shouldn't be any adverse effects to a pump.
thanks, HESmelaugh
Here are the old results and new results side by side, for anyone wanting to compare:
(old test):
http://www.abload.de/img/graphliquid2na9.jpg
(new test):
http://www.abload.de/img/newnf1a8i3.jpg
I made a few quick pics of the current loop with the Nanofluid:
http://www.abload.de/img/25y0vy.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/26f1xc.jpg
Thinking on the cooling side, wouldnt a liquid with higher density and low viscosity, lower freezing point be better? Btw, whats the freezing point?
higher density is tougher on the pump. The freezing point of the nanofluid is almost the same as water.
I cannot wait for you guys to bring this to market, any more word on that?
we are still really close. Skinnee is still working on his review, and HESmelaugh is as well. So, we will wait to see what they have to say. Soon. I promise you all will be the first to know tho.
*****im not bashing please understand as im ALWAYS looking for something better for my water setup and price does not matter.but what does this stuff bring to the table for watercooling guys?****
staining/buildup-
skinne-post #127
"The only major difference between distilled and nanofluid was the residue and build-up throughout the loop. Every component in the loop had residue or build-up from the nanofluid, including the funnel I used for filling."
so admitting already this stuff builds up and stains....ugh.not go0d at all.i went with fesser one pure water to not have stained tubes anymore.3 months later there still sparkling clear.
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performance- ?
Let's have a look how the Nanofluid affects the CPU-Temperature:
http://www.abload.de/img/graphcpur556.jpg
Here, we see the same effect: At lower temperatures, the Nanofluid doesn't do any better than distilled water, but at higher temperatures, we see a clear advantage of the Nanofluid.
your kidding right?clear advantage??? 40.5 - 38.9 = 1.6 diff...sorry but thats not clear advantage on this planet.on the subject of clear.i retubed my loop 3-4x now over the years because of special space age fluids etc and they ALL stain tubing.fog,haze,bleh.this milk stuff after after few months will look HORRIBLE,TRUST ME.fesser aqua pure water after 3months months,tubes look brand new and temps are awesome...pass on the milk.i would ONLY consider this stuff if proven 0 staining which skinne already admitted in post #127 "Every component in the loop had residue or build-up from the nanofluid" 1-2 degres at best and stains tubes?...
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heres your other tests i was staring at....
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/bf2nut/nano1.jpg
cpu results
18.3 -17.6 = 0.7 .....umm? not even 1 degree diff,im sticking with stainfree fesser water here.
gpu results
20.5 -19.8 = 0.7 again not even 1 degree diff....?
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/bf2nut/nano2.jpg
ok this test....nobody uses 1 fan rads here.2 min so im looking at the 2 fan rad setup test u did..
9.0 -8.9 = 0.1 !!?!?!? ummm why on earth would i(or anyone)switch to this.its def not for performance.to have white fluid that will stain my tubing in a few months?
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im not bashing please understand as im ALWAYS looking for something better for my water setup and price does not matter.but what does this stuff bring to the table for watercooling guys?
.7 is actually pretty good if you crunch through the equations.. I already covered that tho. I only use one fan too..nice and quiet
Performance: "Clear advantage" is meant literally. It is clearly measurable that there is an advantage. I'm observing this, not passing judgement. You see a lot of people choosing one waterblock over another because of performance, yet the blocks are mostly very, very close in performance. Also, many people optimize their loops for higher flowrates even though more flow will net you only fractions of degrees in better temperatures after a certain point. In this context, I can imagine that 0.7° is an advantage worth having for some people. Ultimately, that's up to each individual to decide.
Residue: The current sample is a new one and I'm doing a long term test. So just sit back and wait. We'll see if the residue problem is still present. I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just saying we don't know yet.
Why would anyone use it? In my experience, because it looks awesome. I've gotten dozens of e-Mails and PM's since I published the first review, asking about the Nanofluid. Of everyone who wrote, I think no one cared about the performance. They all just wanted cool looking white stuff in their loop.
This is also what I personally like about the NF most (as I stated in the original review).
****im not bashing please understand as im ALWAYS looking for something better for my water setup and price does not matter.but what does this stuff bring to the table for watercooling guys?***
"We'll see if the residue problem is still present. I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just saying we don't know yet."Quote:
Originally Posted by HESmelaugh
whatever cooler the fluid is,whatever manf,i tired them ALL!!:shakes:.tygon 3603 is pourus aka asorbs whatever color the fluid is AFTER it dries inside the tubing.after many frustrating attempts for "cool colors" which i love very much! i had to be realistic and accept this fact: cool colors equal stainined tubes or just clear water for clear tubing.after talking ON THE PHONE to one of the engys at tygon he schooled me on staining.the man himself said "stick with a CLEAR processed water for 0 staining".i thanked him for his time and live by that rule from now on.
Adsorption, the binding of molecules or particles to a surface, must be distinguished from absorption, the FILLING OF PORES in a solid. The binding to the surface is usually weak and reversible. Just about anything including the FLUID that dissolves or suspends the material of interest is bound, but compounds with COLOR and those that have taste or odor tend to BIND strongly. Compounds that contain chromogenic groups (atomic arrangements that vibrate at frequencies in the visible spectrum) very often are strongly adsorbed on activated carbon. Decolorization by STEAMING(lol,unrealistic)can be wonderfully efficient by adsorption and with negligible loss of other materials.
somebody wanna invent something?make a NON-pouros or 0.001 pourus tubing....will sell like hotcakes
"Why would anyone use it? In my experience, because it looks awesome."
i agree %100,it looks killer (til it dries up and stains tubing) :up:
"I think no one cared about the performance."
umm the charts above are trying to prove diff?lol
***im not bashing please understand as im ALWAYS looking for something better for my water setup and price does not matter.but what does this stuff bring to the table for watercooling guys?***
its called neoprene tubing.Quote:
Originally Posted by railmeat
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/tyano1id3odi.html
I Honestly think you guys are hoping too much.
The greater the delta from ambient air -> coolant temp, you'll see better benifits with a heavier water.
However when your coolant is already kept within a very low delta of ambient air, then you guys are just hoping for too much.
Remember this is ambient cooling, you can only go as low as ambient.
its called neoprene tubing.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/tyano1id3odi.html
neoprene tubing looks like crap and does NOT flex without kinking(tight corners) like tygon 3603.this is why %95 of modders use it.downside is staining,fogging,hazing,looks cool for a few weeks,then looks like trash.
"I Honestly think you guys are hoping too much."
listen plz..we all seen the charts,the stuff is not meant to perform period(barely)and thats fine cause it looks really cool .i mean white fluid,how cool is that! =) got milk rig!?!?.there selling point is meant for looks?i myself think it looks killer:up:.on that note of looks great-sold!but...if it stains,hazes,fogs tubing a few weeks after filled up its pointless performance and looks wise:confused: this is my point.
***im not bashing please understand as im ALWAYS looking for something better for my water setup and price does not matter.but what does this stuff bring to the table for watercooling guys?***
if it stains the tube the same color as the liquid, I fail to see the issue, unless you're the type of person to change the color of their liquids often, or re-use tube from project to project.
have u ever seen how horrible using ANY color of the rainbow stained tubing looks?:shakes: it looks horrible!!!.....its not the color,its the stained,fogged,hazed,old look u get within a few weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by defect9
i see in your sig your "Watercooling Initiate (in the process of sourcing all parts)" so your new to water....trust me i been watercooling a few years now used every fluid under the sun.
i replaced tubing 3-4x in the last few years and replacing tubing sux man.u will see....
1 tip if your new to watercooling-
less is more.fesser 1 purewater or distilled water with NO color drops etc drops added.keep it clean and clear.
If you dont like it then just dont use it. If you think you can make it better, then make it or recommend a process.
i personally wouldnt touch it because of the deposits. But some people want the white color coolant. I dont see the point when theres white tubing tho.
If it applies to you, then go ahead and get it, but its been in RD for almost 1 year.
But u guys are acting like u expect it to be pure gallium or something. Ur not going to get the uber thermal transfer when you got something called ambient to hold your hand.
That is exactly right. We aren't claiming that the nanofluid is going to lower your temp below ambient or anything like that. But, what it is going to do, and I admit the jury is still out, is going to improve your heat transfer. And, what that means is that when your WC loop is maxing out because of all the stuff you are trying to keep cool instead of adding another radiator and more fans and possibly another pump, you can use the nanofluid.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Now, if you want to look at the big picture, what we have been looking at is server rooms that being water cooled. From our lab tests we found almost a 20% increase in heat transfer, which translates into 20% less power needed to maintain the same temps, which further translates into almost a 20% decrease in decibel noise. When you think about a 20% savings in power consumption for the cooling aspects of a room of servers it starts to add up. And, just from a noise aspect, running a fan/pump 20% less is nice.
And, as NaeKuh, mentioned, the settling is/was a problem. That was the main thing we were trying to fix. The only thing that has shown us anything positive so far is a simple 'wait and see' experiment in which we placed a clear bottle of the nanofluid on a shelf to see if anything would settle out. And, after a few months it still looks pretty good. Of course, just by gravity it will settle out. But, we tried to match the buoyancy of water with the nanoparticle as close as possible. As a result, we think that with constant motion it won't be able settle. What I hope Skinnee can say is whether or not it is better or worse; we are trying to improve the stuff. At the same time, some pump set-ups have dead zones - the intake might be in the side meaning that below the intake might be a dead zone that will allow some settling. We have to wait and see on that. Both of my home computers do not have that, but my old WC pump does have that and did have some settling. HESmelaugh's intake was at the bottom, so I doubt he will see anything, but I am not 100% sure. That is why we have people like the people on here test this stuff for us..total honest and unbiased results.
Just one thing I want to clarify here:
I do reviews/tests, not marketing.Quote:
Originally Posted by railmeat
I don't try to prove or disprove anything. I try to accurately measure things.
Well said Shane, just because we post our findings and have all sorts of brands people interprit our actions in such wild ways. We're testers, we don't make a dime from products we test, we just post the data logged and our reaction/impression of the product. Not everyone is going to like each product we test or our opinion of it. It is when those opinions differ that folks start flinging mud.Quote:
Originally Posted by HESmelaugh
Keep on testing Shane! :up:
Ok, the staining... that happened with the original formula (before careful of quoting outdated posts) which to my knowledge only went to a handful of folks. I have three formulas sitting next to me about to each be put in a tube to sit stagnant until I complete the full on testing. Sitting stagnant should show the worst possible staining...or atleast I think--and some other fluids will be done this way as well.
feser water is overpriced distilled, but i would get it, if distilled or de-ionized is unavailable.Quote:
Originally Posted by railmeat
and as for your tubing issues, masterkleer solves that, at least for me it did. it's been 6 months and the blue dye i had didn't get into the tubing, it's still like new.
Agreed. I think it's very important to keep the distinction between marketing and testing in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
There's also a big difference in perception between a consumer and a tester. As a consumer, it's fairly normal to be emotional about products and brands and to have your favourites etc. As a tester, you have to step back from all that. If a manufacturer produces something awful, I will point this out in a test. If they then produce something great next, I will also point this out. I can't be holding a grudge or generalizing ("manufacturer X always produces crap") as a tester.
Good idea. Bundymania did a test like this for some color additives a while back and the differences in staining showed very well.Quote:
Ok, the staining... that happened with the original formula (before careful of quoting outdated posts) which to my knowledge only went to a handful of folks. I have three formulas sitting next to me about to each be put in a tube to sit stagnant until I complete the full on testing. Sitting stagnant should show the worst possible staining...or atleast I think--and some other fluids will be done this way as well.
I have it, have had for about 2 months.
I havent checked to see if there is any staining, will do that maybe in another month or so i guess.
I have the (so-called) clear shistuff, its kind cloudy looking but i just wanted
to try it as its suppose to be good to below freezing as i used it in conjunction
with my phase cooler. Its currently used 24/7 for a HTPC:shakes:
Its running in my same old Q66, NB, and 2 4770,s all watercooled with 2 ST 220
rads on a ST 355 pump and XSPC res. top in a single loop.
For any one interested in staining i will also post what i find inside after another
month or maybe when HES does his.
:shrug:
havent heard any news on this stuff in a while. i was wondering when it will reach the market
we hope to have it on the market at the end of the month/early Feb.
www.icedragoncooling.com
check this out:
http://tech.icrontic.com/articles/th...s-of-ces-2010/
I honestly don't know where they got the info from, but cool none-the-less
Don't understand this - I have tried that fluid and I got no better temperature with it vs. distilled water. Other tests also back up my findings :shrug: