Apogee GTZ

You know, it's kind of funny, as I was reading your last post (martin) the first thought through my head was "Man, I would love to have piles of stuff from manufacturers to play with", which was followed shortly by "God I bet that gets mind numbing really fast". I figure it's probably a lot like video game testing, sure it sounds like a good idea at first, but when you're sitting there doing the same thing again for the 9,000 time in the last week it suddenly seems like a lot less fun. There's also the effect I've seen first hand where when something goes from a hobby to work you suddenly find you don't enjoy doing it nearly as much as you used to.

Edit: Forgot to say, you do really great work Martin, and I'm sure we all understand that you're only one guy and you can only do so much.

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Originally Posted by orclev

You know, it's kind of funny, as I was reading your last post (martin) the first thought through my head was "Man, I would love to have piles of stuff from manufacturers to play with", which was followed shortly by "God I bet that gets mind numbing really fast". I figure it's probably a lot like video game testing, sure it sounds like a good idea at first, but when you're sitting there doing the same thing again for the 9,000 time in the last week it suddenly seems like a lot less fun. There's also the effect I've seen first hand where when something goes from a hobby to work you suddenly find you don't enjoy doing it nearly as much as you used to.

Edit: Forgot to say, you do really great work Martin, and I'm sure we all understand that you're only one guy and you can only do so much.

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Yeah it was fun at first, but I'm at the point now where it's become work.

Worst part is, I have a good job. I could go into work and net $30+/hr on overtime. Good testing on something like a radiator takes nearly 15 hours of testing. I could buy alot of radiators for that amount of time.:( I only do it because I enjoy helping people on these forums and I have fun when I'm not overly booked, but I have to take a step back now and then and get a reality check. I've got too much on the plate right now and have to back off for a while.

Martin, it is very hard for people to understand... heck, I've only tested BLOCKS and I can barely find the time. You are doing fans, rads, fittings, blocks, pumps etc, etc etc. People don't realize that it takes me about 12 hours to test one block with 5 mounts... If I make $100/hour you can see how it adds up... Manufacturers should really be PAYING people like you to independently test and validate data - of course this data would not be public but you would be PAID. This is what BillA tried to do at one time but never succeeded at it. I mean for a mfgr to pay a few hundred dollars for you to test and validate seems to be chump change.

/rant off

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Originally Posted by Martinm210

Yeah it was fun at first, but I'm at the point now where it's become work.

Worst part is, I have a good job. I could go into work and net $30+/hr on overtime. Good testing on something like a radiator takes nearly 15 hours of testing. I could buy alot of radiators for that amount of time.:( I only do it because I enjoy helping people on these forums and I have fun when I'm not overly booked, but I have to take a step back now and then and get a reality check. I've got too much on the plate right now and have to back off for a while.

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Take a break. Once it turns into work, it's not fun anymore. Work and enjoy life and then when you get that itch to test, go back and do a few rounds.

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Originally Posted by Xilikon

Wise move on your part, Martin :)

I agree Nihksub1 would be the right guy to do a proper testing :up:

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Haha thanks for the kind words but Swiftech won't be sending me anything to test anytime soon... For some reason Gabe thinks I'm a 'Swiftech hater' which for the record I am not. I realize I can be a bit harsh and off the cuff but I have no hate or ill will toward ANY one or ANY mfgr.

Honestly martin, I think you need to charge companies for testing their products. It will make testing a lot more fun and motivating :).

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Originally Posted by nikhsub1

Haha thanks for the kind words but Swiftech won't be sending me anything to test anytime soon... For some reason Gabe thinks I'm a 'Swiftech hater' which for the record I am not. I realize I can be a bit harsh and off the cuff but I have no hate or ill will toward ANY one or ANY mfgr.

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It's their loss, not yours ;) If Martin tell you can do that and Gabe ignore it, he is alienating a big market :ROTF:

I was sticking to my GT. Now, I think I'll stick to my Q6600. So, I need a new WB :D

With Martin's dropping the tests, it'll take weeks and weeks before we see any valid tests of this yet unreleased WB.

I'm one going to Enzotech Rev.A full copper new WB. The previous version is 1.5°C close to the EK Supreme, yet keeping a great flow. This Rev.A should solve the acrylic haters problem and at least, it is a sure value.

I must say, that for me, Martin's tests are of a major importance before to buy

Good luck Martin with your job and WB testing hobby, not easy to manage both :clap:

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Originally Posted by nikhsub1

Haha thanks for the kind words but Swiftech won't be sending me anything to test anytime soon... For some reason Gabe thinks I'm a 'Swiftech hater' which for the record I am not. I realize I can be a bit harsh and off the cuff but I have no hate or ill will toward ANY one or ANY mfgr.

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That means you will have to buy it. Ugh the HORROR! :p:

Expecting joe public to figure it out on their own seems a bit odd to me.:shrug:
That's like saying you need to buy a car to test and see what sort of gas mileage you can expect before you decide if it's the right car for you....:shakes:

I'm all for seeing even more manufacturer provided performance information, there's already a good amount going up, there's just not much detail on how it was determined..:up:

So are you guys saying you'd like to see the manufacturers start publishing comparative data if we don't have enough 3rd party testers out there?

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Originally Posted by Linus@ncix

So are you guys saying you'd like to see the manufacturers start publishing comparative data if we don't have enough 3rd party testers out there?

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I would..:up:

There's always going to be a place for 3rd party testing, but why not start with at least something performance related in the specs.

I would really appreciate if manufacturers would post at least pressure drop and some sort of c/w data. It doesn't even have to be comparative to be worthwhile. To me it only represents a good posotive image that the product is designed around performance (Not just for aesthetics) and they are willing to back that up with real scientific performance data. Even if many people don't understand it, it's still there saying "Hey, this is a performance product, here is how restrictive it is, and here is how thermally efficient it is".

I like it. I've always really appreciated the vendors that already do that..:up:

The only issue I have with c/w curves is there's never any explanation with how that c/w was developed and so it generally becomes something you can't really use for anything more than understanding how sensetive it is to flow rate, etc. Preferrably, there would be some sort of testing specification linked to that details out what the c/w value represents and how the testing was conducted and with what equipment, etc..:yepp:

/rant mode enable
It wouldn't matter if it was martin or someone who no-one ever heard of, if a 3rd party starts making manufactures pay them to test and review a product then their credibility will be questioned by the people. I'm not implying that martin or anyone else would fix the data but because money exchanges hands it would always be under scrutiny. Even if the 3rd party sets a fixed rate for each review the manufactures who don't send their products to the 3rd party may claim that they were reviewed unfairly.
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Now for a question: When testing a block's thermal capabilities, Coolant temperatures are inversely related to flow and pressure. Is there any way to graph a chart in three dimensions that show flow (X) and pressure (Z) are on the ground plane and thermal resistance (Y) be vertical? It's not entirely practical because of the difficulty reading data points but it would be visually impressive and people could see which is better to have, a loop with higher flow or higher pressure.

It's sad news, but Martin has already contributed so much. Let him have his life back. At least for a while. Now getting back on topic... any news on the possibility of a unisink for either the GTX280 or the HD4870x2? Or on whether there will be mounts compatible with the HD4870x2? I've vowed to stay away from those falling copper ramsinks approximately until hell freezes over.

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Originally Posted by gojirasan

It's sad news, but Martin has already contributed so much. Let him have his life back. At least for a while. Now getting back on topic... any news on the possibility of a unisink for either the GTX280 or the HD4870x2? Or on whether there will be mounts compatible with the HD4870x2? I've vowed to stay away from those falling copper ramsinks approximately until hell freezes over.

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You are in the wrong thread anyway but let me reply : <D-Tek released a uni-sink for the GTX 200 series cards to be used with the Fuzion GPU v2. I have one on hand and it's a damn nice piece. Expect pictures during the weekend.

I'm just posting here to give thanks to Martin for all his work. It was absolutely invaluable to me selecting the components for my first WC build.

So.. Thank you Martin!

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Originally Posted by AllAgainstPaul

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It wouldn't matter if it was martin or someone who no-one ever heard of, if a 3rd party starts making manufactures pay them to test and review a product then their credibility will be questioned by the people. I'm not implying that martin or anyone else would fix the data but because money exchanges hands it would always be under scrutiny. Even if the 3rd party sets a fixed rate for each review the manufactures who don't send their products to the 3rd party may claim that they were reviewed unfairly.
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Clearly you did not understand what I said/meant. I do not mean that mfgrs PAY for a review, that would be stupid. Lets say mfgr 'Widget' has a new block that they are developing. They have tested the thing in house but would like some 3rd party testing (note not a REVIEW) that would not be made public. They would also like some feedback on the block. This is what I believe mfgr's should pay for. I have actually done this more than once for a couple of different mfgrs and got bubkus in return. What they got in return was a set of tools to improve their product. This data that I collected via testing WAS NEVER MADE PUBLIC and was only available to the mfgr. Call me crazy but I for one and finished doing other people's R&D for FREE.

nvm

I don't see it on the swiftech site yet! :(

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Originally Posted by gillbot

I don't see it on the swiftech site yet! :(

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Release is planed on or before 7/31

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Originally Posted by gabe

Release is planed on or before 7/31

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Originally Posted by gabe

Release is planed on or before 7/31

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and here I was just about to post this:

Image of Gabe slaving away 7 days a week saying:
" Those bastages at XS won't even let me sleep!":rofl:

Can't wait to see what it can do!