I have freind in ABIT.....this board soon launching.....all FAE engeneering ABIT still work tweak some bios because now ABIT IP 45 series use AMI BIOS...not PHONIX again :):)
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I have freind in ABIT.....this board soon launching.....all FAE engeneering ABIT still work tweak some bios because now ABIT IP 45 series use AMI BIOS...not PHONIX again :):)
That is good news!
My order of the IP35 Pro was cancelled due to it went out of stock; it seems that the IP45 Pro have a nice price here in Norway, 200$ incl. VAT.
Hopefully the reviews will be swarming the net just a day or so after release.
just heard back from HPM
Abit IP45 Pro
&
Abit IX48-MAX
are expected end of july/beginning of august
this makes sense about the outside bios engineer consultant..AMI, to me, has a tendency to be a bit more complicated to use from an end user stand point; at least when i enter my Asus P5B setupQuote:
Originally Posted by Hazzan
ALL-RIGHTY-THEN!...role them OUT!:rofl::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Supershanks
I suspect that they already had or were contracted to have the chipsets in a certain quantity & no doubt most of the engineering had been done already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
to be fair lots of mobo mfrs skipped 780i & there still aren't many 790is (other than reference).Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
maybe it would be better to take a lost on the chipsets and move on...why sink more money into building a board...kind of hard to come to a rational thought pattern on that one.:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heidfirst
who knows but with margins so thin in mobo market & assuming that they were committed/contracted to purchase I doubt that writing off $x00,000s if not $x,000,000s would be an option - better at least to make & sell the boards at cost than lose that kind of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
& given that X38 chipset is significantly cheaper than X48 to buy from Intel that should translate into a handy price differential at retail for people who may want dual x16 PCI-E 2.0 but don't need/want the extra overclocking ability of X48.
well...i am not on your wave length of thought pattern...i think it is a lose, lose situation.
how can at least recovering your money rather than taking a hit for probably millions of $ be a lose?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
how do you know it will be millions????Quote:
Originally Posted by Heidfirst
if they go forward with manufacturing the board and associated accessories coming with it in a box; shipped to distributors..then according to your millions estimate...it will be tens of millions lost if the board is a bust!
Well, I have to admit that no matter how much I loverd my IP35-Pro, I clicked the BUY button and have a P5q-Deluxe on the way. I really wanted the Abit but I went with what looks like an extreemly good board for this round. If it holds up as well as my A8n-SLI premium I will be a happy o/c'r.
See ya all in the P5Q thread :beer/:
well...i read through the P5Q3 thread and i due believe you are in for a ride of frustrations...i hope it treats you well.
The DDR3 board seems to have issues with Ram (P5Q3 Deluxe) I woudnt be surprised if its fixed in a revision as they dont seem to be having any luck with bios updates - Asus have a habit of doing revisions anyone remember the A8V Deluxe Revision 1 & 2? AGP/PCI locks Fix :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
The DDR2 board (P5Q Deluxe) is the one he seems to have bought looks to be a great motherboard, still mulling over buying one myself - do I wait for the Abit IP45 Pro for the sake of Abit uguru or get the Asus P5Q Deluxe with 2 replaceable bios chips (1 backup) & loadline calibration feature with a more mature bios. :shrug:
I don't but I'm just surmising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Iirc X38 costs ~$80 from Intel & I can't imagine them making less than 10,000 mobos so that's $800,000 straight off.
I would also expect that other than the actual nb, the external packaging, the manual & a sticker over the printing on the PCB on 1 or the other of the IX38/IX48 QuadGT3s that the BOM is absolutely identical.
If that's the case then making the IX38 QuadGT3 should also actually lower the cost of production for the IX48 QuadGT3 (or vice versa).
If they price it right it will sell, after all P45 & X48 don't really bring much to the vast majority of people over an X38 & it would be cheaper than some P45s & equivalent X48s.
that's the point...how do you know what revision you will get unless you have a store to buy it from or online retailer who can give you that information.:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelly
as to 2 bios chips...the gigabyte X48(T)-DQ6 (both DDR versions) have 2 bios chips and the 2nd one is suppose to take over if the first one fails to do its job...well...good old gigabyte bios engineers released a BAD bios and the people who flashed it had failures...the 2nd bios never took over until one user found a bios recovery procedure by googling it...it required shorting out two pins to force the 2nd bios to come on-line....SO...my point: make sure the asus board bios has a manual jumper method to select the 2nd bios...a strict "Auto" method, that denies the user any manual intervention, is not a fool proof system!Quote:
The DDR2 board (P5Q Deluxe) is the one he seems to have bought looks to be a great motherboard, still mulling over buying one myself - do I wait for the Abit IP45 Pro for the sake of Abit uguru or get the Asus P5Q Deluxe with 2 replaceable bios chips (1 backup) & loadline calibration feature with a more mature bios. :shrug:
Ace, I actually have read the P5Q-Deluxe thread, well at least half of it. I am not getting the DDR3 version and like Nelly said, the DDR2 board is working fine. The loss of OC Guru is fine as I didn't use it much any way and there are other ways to do basically the same things anyway. I just picked up an early model 8400 and this looks like the board to put it in. There may be better but not in this price range. And if I want to use my Quad it will handle the power way better than my IP35-Pro has. Nothing against Abit, I love my Pro board. And lets face it, as most others around here do, if it doesn't work out, buy another. :up:
right...just thought to bring some attention to the board since the board is basically the same except for memory type...good luck...i understand you are tired waiting on Abit to produce the IP45 or the IX48...it's kind of pathetic about abit's lackluster approach to marketing their boards.
It's too bad abit doesn't seem to realize or care that they're losing followers everyday. The 35XE is down to $150 at Newegg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
a mistake in my mind to come out with it...when you have a good thing (IP35 Pro), keep doing it until it doesn't sell anymore.
this will put a spanner in the works the X58 chipset to be released early sept boards to be released in oct that is what i herd from abit tec Netherlands
new LGA 1366 socket and sli and crossfire X16 X2 have a look at the links i hope thay work. may be abit are gearing up fore the X58 boards !!!
http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/60444...crossfire.html
http://www.overclock3d.net/news.php?..._cpu_pricing/1
well if that's the case, then why post p45 pro and the x48 max on their website?
Does anyone believe that p45 pro is coming out soon, and does anyone care?
Sorry to give you bad news, but abit is going out of businessQuote:
Originally Posted by Devastation
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9878/u...aff/index.html
Universal abit lays-off more staff
Published: 30th July 2008 @ 11:20 AM
Author: John Freeman
According to several sources both inside and outside Universal abit Motherboard Company; abit has laid off many staff from various departments within its HQ based in Taiwan. This follows a move from the previous HQ address in Nei-Hu to new premises in Nan-Gang to reduce expenses just last month.
Universal abit lays-off more staff
The beleaguered company has been down on its luck ever since the then CEO fiddled with the public companies stock prospects according to allegations. The subsequent investigation and resulting court cases have not yet been finalized, however, the abit brand was sold to Universal Scientific Industrial and the proceeds were used to level off some of the debt the public company had incurred.
Universal Scientific Industrial Co., Ltd. is a DMS/ODM/OEM manufacturer in 4C (Computing, Communications, Consumer Electronics and Car Electronics) industries, which means other companies employ them to design (in some cases) and manufacture for them. Brands they have dealings with include HP, Dell and ASUS, Since USI is part of ASE, one of the largest Semiconductor manufacturers in the world today, which was purported to be under consideration for a partnership with the Carlisle group not too long ago. One has to question what the purpose to buy abit was. However since they bought abit in a bid battle between several big players, rumoured to be ECS, Foxconn and Asus, most of the original abit support and admin staff were laid off. The marketing team remained, as did the PM team with all the key engineers needed to continue making high-end to mainstream motherboards. That was in early 2006.
As of the end of July 2008, most of the Research and Development team have been laid off, and between 3-4 people from almost every engineering department from Quality Control to Field Application Engineers too. Everyone from the previous PM team who designed the likes of the MAX and Fatal1ty series that many enthusiasts grew to love have all moved on over the last year. There doesn’t seem to be much left of what was once a prosperous and productive team well worth recognition. Some of those PM members went to Biostar, and others went to Foxconn. Both companies have seen a marked improvement in enthusiast level products recently, with abit’s offerings becoming more and more mediocre. The irony was that many times abit could not use USI resources as they charged too much, or did not have the Quality Control in place for the enthusiast sector. Pretty strange considering that USI is supposed to own abit and ideally help it’s underling to achieve better products with better results. The bottom line is that USI never understood the brand and never leveraged it as it could have. The abit GM who had stood firm and resolutely as he handed over control to the new masters eventually left for personal reasons, leaving a new person in charge who had no experience in the enthusiast sector. That person hailed from another semi-conductor firm, and has been applying those threadbare methods of lower margins, but higher volumes. While some would say these methods are slowly crippling the enthusiast aspect of the abit brand, the subsequent loss of faith in the abit brand by the public at large has resulted in warehouses being full and few if any buyers lining up.
Looking deeper at the USI acquisition of abit, one has to question in which direction are they headed? Recent shows and events such as CeBIT and Computex suggest the motherboard line-up was still pretty strong. I’m guessing the resulting orders have not been what were required and as such the lay-off stands to reason. Does this mean an end to abit? Or simply an end to the motherboard segment, while the company does a subtle shift to align itself more closely with what USI can make easily, namely: notebooks, UMPC’s and photo frames. Dare I ask if the photo frame can be overclocked?
i remember back in 1999 that i had a connection to IWill board maker out in the LAX area...he told me then that Abit was financially in trouble back then and could possibly end "belly up!"...abit was taken over but it has been struggling to find the right niche...i thought their IP35 Pro was a "SUPER" good board...i was a bit taken back when they tried putting out the IP35 Pro XE model...idiotic move in my mind...when you win accolades and awards, you keep that board coming until they stop selling...why try to re-invent the wheel just for the 1600 system bus!:shrug:
Please don't add any more fuel to the fire, they could be down sizing to keep costs down during this difficult economic time. If they were going out of business, why even move to new premisise and the shutdown?. I think we'll see the ip45 boards but after that who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by dctokyo
Dave