AMD issues STOP SHIP order on Barcelona

Savantu,

I respect your post, but I must disagree. AMD has been pounded into the ground by posters like yourself. If you would like, We can place a friendly wager on how much abuse Intel took around the prescott era. Again, if the data is available, Ill compile the data---If I win (which I will) you can stop posting negative stuff about AMD in EVERY STINKING AMD THREAD. If I loose, I will buy you the nicest Intel processor available (your choice-- not to exceed $1000 US). GAME ON MY FRIEND. PM me if you got the BAL*S.

Until that time, please quit crapping in AMD threads.

EDIT. Savantu, Since you are such an elder on these forums-- act like one. Do you see Fugger, Macci, Opp, Sampsa, Kinc, etc.. Posting all the bull you do. I am sure they have favorites, but they refrain from flame baiting in every thread (like true elders--professional posters)

Any thing else Savantu? Please take me up on this friendy wager.............

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Originally Posted by grunge100

Gallag,

I fail to see how that comment is pertainent to what I am saying.

Intel never took this kind of beating during the prescott problem.

Edit-- After looking at some of your posts gallag, I would expect you to be critical to my post. lol

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I can pretty much guarantee you that there was plenty of Prescott bashing going on when Intel was getting their butts kicked by AMD.

Seriously though, I'm not a fanboy, but you're not going to find me saying much positive about AMD these days-I've owned a lot of AMD stuff over the years too, and got other people to buy AMD stuff (including a K6-2 system way back in the day). I've owned a T-bird, Athlon XP, and Athlon 64, and on the intel side I've owned a Pentium, a Pentium III (both Katmai and coppermine), Pentium 4 (northwood), and now Core2Duo (actually I guess I also has an original Centrino at some point in a laptop).

Anyways, basically I just bought whatever didn't suck at the time, whether that was a Pentium or an Athlon. Thing is that AMD is sucking right now-and what makes it worse is the fact that they didn't bother telling people that the BIOS fix would incur a 10-20% performance hit...and launching a retail part with a slower memory controller than the benchmarked systems had. That's just not cool.

I rooted for them when they had K5 and it did better IPC than Pentium (Integer calculations anyway), and watched AMD not be able to deliver due to yield issues. Then I rooted for them with K6 and they did slightly better thankfully, ditto for K6-2 (less so for 3 but whatever), and I was pretty happy they made the Athlon.

But that doesn't mean that I should continue to cheer for them when they decide to "innovate" with stupid crap like 4x4, and decide to cover up the fact that their chips have serious erratum that can't be fixed for months and months.

Seriously, why did they ever waste money R&Ding 4x4. On top of which I still have no idea why it was actually neccessary to even invent a new socket for AM2. Is it because AMD didn't futureproof their socket designs properly, or because they just like to invent new socket designs to waste engineering manhours? Either explanation is a pretty poor excuse.

And merging with ATI honestly just sounds like some desperate attempt to claim that they have the future of CPUs, just so their investors don't call in their debts. Yes, one day a combined CPU/GPU might be really useful, but they probably should be spending their money on decent CPU R&D right now, instead of spending billions on ATI.

I guess there's a lot of AMD bashing because it just feels like AMD shot themselves in the foot repeatedly even though they had the upper hand for several years, and could have probably leveraged that into something more productive.

Tek,

I understand, I am very dissapointed with AMD. I am not propping anything they have done in the last year. The abuse in every thread (by the same posters, gets a little distracting). It would be nice to see the bashing reduced to a tolerable level.

Sample post.

AMD has developed a new

SOI tec. It's said to increase transistor perf. by 23%

p1. IBM had to spoon feed AMD this tec.
p2. still doesnt matter, AMD sucks
p3. hector will run this tec. into the ground
p4. hector is sleeping with dirk's wife
p5. dirk's husband is working at AMD now.lol
etc............................................... .........
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Originally Posted by grunge100

Tek,

I understand, I am very dissapointed with AMD. I am not propping anything they have done in the last year. The abuse in every thread (by the same posters, gets a little distracting). It would be nice to see the bashing reduced to a tolerable level.

Sample post.

AMD has developed a new

SOI tec. It's said to increase transistor perf. by 23%

p1. IBM had to spoon feed AMD this tec.
p2. still doesnt matter, AMD sucks
p3. hector will run this tec. into the ground
p4. hector is sleeping with dirk's wife
p5. dirk's husband is working at AMD now.lol
etc............................................... .........
'

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There has been far too many lies and hype pumped out by AMD for it not to go unchallenged at this point. The AMD bashers have pretty much been 100% correct over the last 18 months, and the guys saying "quit with the bashing" 100% wrong. AMD has to restore some sort credibility for itself, otherwise it deserves every bit of the flaming it gets.

Bashing is not bashing if you are pointing out the truth. That is exactly what the vast majority of the AMD "bashing" has been ever since the day first c2 benches were leaked.

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Originally Posted by DoubleZero

See how techreport, manage to turn a overall positive article about AMD in a negative one.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=162378
http://www.crn.com/white-box/202402138?pgno=1
http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/13389

The low availability of barcelona is nothing new, but techreport managed to used it again for yet more AMD negative crap.


It's only me that thinks this is incredibly dumb? Supercomputing clusters don't run the workloads, but the desktop everyday guy run? lol it's dumb but it's extremely convenient for techreport article.

The fact that the most rabid Intel fans on this forum are constantly praising and using techreport fud, should tell you something...

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It would be wise if you refrain from attacking the credibility of a source simply because you do not like the story that they are reporting. TR was not the only one noticing the lack of availability. They did not FUD anything, they simply reported based on the information.

The TLB bug report was also not FUD, they quoted source and named the source, and confirmed that this is why availability of Quad Core Opterons have not made it into the main stream.

TR is not being 'dumb' when they say some shipments are going into HPC apps, he quoted AMD saying that... ipso facto, you must think AMD is dumb.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2228878,00.asp
Extremetech has also followed up on this story, they quote a different AMD person saying roughly the same thing. Granted, it appears more PR damage control than anything else.

This is no doubt bad press for AMD, it is not the kind of news they need in the face of continuing losses and a falling stock price, but the only way to eliminate bad press is not to give the press anything bad to write about. I do not recall TR or any news site 'bashing' or 'FUDing' AMD crap when AMD was executing well and delivering leading products during the K8 pinnacle.

This situation is nothing more than the result of poor execution and the people reporting the information are not responsible, AMD is responsible. In fact, an argument can be made that AMD was a bit shady in trying to manipulate the launch of both products to avoid letting any bad information escape.

As a fan of computing (myself as well as most people here) and obviously a huge fan of AMD (you) -- it is in AMD's best interest that they get a 'kick in the butt' to pull it together before it is too late.

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Originally Posted by Periander6

There has been far too many lies and hype pumped out by AMD for it not to go unchallenged at this point. The AMD bashers have pretty much been 100% correct over the last 18 months, and the guys saying "quit with the bashing" 100% wrong. AMD has to restore some sort credibility for itself, otherwise it deserves every bit of the flaming it gets.

Bashing is not bashing if you are pointing out the truth. That is exactly what the vast majority of the AMD "bashing" has been ever since the day first c2 benches were leaked.

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Best point so far .... sometimes the best medicine is the medicine that tastes the worst :) .... nothing better the good old honest feedback.

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Originally Posted by grunge100

Savantu,

I respect your post, but I must disagree. AMD has been pounded into the ground by posters like yourself. If you would like, We can place a friendly wager on how much abuse Intel took around the prescott era. Again, if the data is available, Ill compile the data---If I win (which I will) you can stop posting negative stuff about AMD in EVERY STINKING AMD THREAD. If I loose, I will buy you the nicest Intel processor available (your choice-- not to exceed $1000 US). GAME ON MY FRIEND. PM me if you got the BAL*S.

Until that time, please quit crapping in AMD threads.

EDIT. Savantu, Since you are such an elder on these forums-- act like one. Do you see Fugger, Macci, Opp, Sampsa, Kinc, etc.. Posting all the bull you do. I am sure they have favorites, but they refrain from flame baiting in every thread (like true elders--professional posters)

Any thing else Savantu? Please take me up on this friendy wager.............

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I'll have to pass your bet simply because I'm not into fighting with headlines and compiling loads of data to prove an axiom.

I was there , I took the full grunt of the green team post Prescott launch , the terrible days of Smithfield vs. K8 X2 , the dual core duel and so on.

The amount of flack given to Intel is 5x greater than now , simply because we're talking Goliath vs. David and people will always support David.

savantu is getting revenge.. same revenge team green had way back in 1999

maybe 2009? ;)

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Originally Posted by grunge100

Savantu,

I respect your post, but I must disagree. AMD has been pounded into the ground by posters like yourself. If you would like, We can place a friendly wager on how much abuse Intel took around the prescott era. Again, if the data is available, Ill compile the data---If I win (which I will) you can stop posting negative stuff about AMD in EVERY STINKING AMD THREAD. If I loose, I will buy you the nicest Intel processor available (your choice-- not to exceed $1000 US). GAME ON MY FRIEND. PM me if you got the BAL*S.

Until that time, please quit crapping in AMD threads.

EDIT. Savantu, Since you are such an elder on these forums-- act like one. Do you see Fugger, Macci, Opp, Sampsa, Kinc, etc.. Posting all the bull you do. I am sure they have favorites, but they refrain from flame baiting in every thread (like true elders--professional posters)

Any thing else Savantu? Please take me up on this friendy wager.............

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LOL, funny idea...

Now, my method is hardly scientific... but just for a bit of fun...

Google search:
"Pentium 4 sucks" - 418,000 results
"Phenom sucks" - 166,000 results

Of course, Phenom has been out for a much shorter period of time than P4, but it still has a long way to go before matching P4 on the 'Google suckage meter'. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: