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AURORA PROJECT by ZytrahusQuote:
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Originally Posted by before
Now thats a beast.
wow one hell of a rig :) great vid clips
Drew has been using long long capillary tubes for ages, seems any evap works well for him, bakers, mine and im sure any others as well. Its all in the way you build the system, the way you charge it and also vacuum it.too short capillary line and ya get flash gas, high discharge temps and lots of flood back. Also air flow through condenser is very inmportant. We all have alot to learn yet. i guess drews 20+ years in the trade just gives him a big head start
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...d.php?t=245340
Performance:
Blend... -53c @ 200w -60c @ 150w / sub -70c unloaded
R402a... -45c @ 200w -50c @ 150w / sub -65c unloaded
R507a... -42c @ 200w -48c @ 150w / -60c unloaded
Drew recommened me the .036 ;)
yes he get good results with 0.036 that and chillers, but his favourite is 0.028":DQuote:
Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337
0.036” will work for you, but so will other capillarys just at the correct lengh. I don’t think 0.036” will do the magic, more the length you use and how you build the system and your practices ie in building each section of the system, vacuuming etc. Have you got any results with the 0.036” yet noob?
Not yet, it should arrive tomorrow or the day after from Ron, but I wont be around till next week.
Chilly said his new evaps should be ready in a few weeks...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Mole
I've said it before and I guess I'll have to say it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by kayl
Drewmeister's performance from units seems to be great, but he has little to no involvement here at XS and is unwilling to give much away as far as his own gas blends and construction is concerned. The man is so 'proprietary' that he asks people not to open up the case and take any pictures.
That's fine, if that's how he wants things, but to bring his name up and say that 'Drew can do it' well it doesn't hold much weight with me, because it does me, and no one else, a whole lot of good.
I've heard about the man giving advice here and there, but never anything substantial. Never anything about his own setups that make this 'magical' difference giving him 5-10c advantage, if in fact it actually does exist.
Anyone wants to worship the man, that's cool with me. But at least Jesus tried to show people the way, all I see Drew doing is bragging and selling, and giving the odd little bit of advice that doesn't do a great deal for anyone.
Besides all that, his performance results don't show anything at high (over 200w) loads. That's where things are breaking down, and evaps and/or construction methods need to develop.
I don't mean to 'have a go' at you Kayl, or Drew either to be honest. It just get's on my nerves whenever his name comes up because he does very little for the community at all, or the global development of PC phase change, other than what can line his own pockets.
Drew wants any respect from myself or any of the other phase guys around here, it would be nice to see some detailed testing, methods, and maybe just a little bit of positive input into the phase community.
If he doesn't care about that, it's fine with me. But if he'd rather do his own thing and live apart from the community, then we may as well leave him out of things and try to do our own development.
Sorry for the rant, but everyone else in the phase world at least made 'some' effort to share some knowledge. From PC-Ice to Chilly1 and everyone in between they've all posted about builds, and given insight into development that's benefitted everyone. Drew gives nothing away (telling someone to use .036" captube isn't exactly 'gospel' is it?) and doesn't want to be involved here, so maybe we should just respect that, and leave him out of things.
/back on topic
Gray
I agree Gray. I will believe his results once its explained propperly. Its weird that even non blended systems is supposedly way colder than what I see every day. Its not like tubing, the way you charge, vacuum etc etc could possibly make one unit 5-10c colder than another. In my mind its a myth to be proved.
Back on topic// :D
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Originally Posted by Gray Mole
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Originally Posted by johann
QFT
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I joined XS the same time I joined EOCF and Ive completly stopped posting here at due to the bull$hit that comes out of here. Pple are some eager to make a buck here that they dont think twice as to slander somone elses name or taking somone elses ideas as their own. I sujjest you all pay a little closer attention to what goes on at EOCF and do a search for all of Drews threads. That man is more knowledgable and eager to help then any person Ive met here at XS. He has every right to keep his blends and methods to himself and away from you. If you want proof go and pm his customers and ask them first hand. I wouldnt think twice about it if this was the last post I ever made in the phase section at xs after seeing stuff like this being posted. Some of you are decent so sorry to lable everyone this way, Ssilencer i have much respect for and esp kayl. that is all.
thank you
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Nice to hear all this from you guys, I was telling that for more than a year, but I didn't have the opportunity to get first line world builders to back me up.
@itor will be happy to hear it.
Thanks very much.
'That man is more knowledgable and eager to help then any person Ive met here at XS.'
'He has every right to keep his blends and methods to himself and away from you.'
Why does that seem like a contradiction in terms?
I think you missed my point, Sneil. I wasn't slandering anyone's name. If it sounded like it, then all I can do is apologize.
Drew does his own thing over there, and while I'm sure he's very helpful to his customers I've never actually seen a post giving any real insight into how he does things. That's his right, like you said, but over here and XS we tend to share our methods and systems pretty freely, regardless of whether someone copies or 'borrows' that information.
So if you find it pathetic that I like sharing information freely with people that I suppose I could call 'competitors' then I'm sorry you feel that way. I like to think of the 'phase change crowd' here as family, and while sometimes we argue a little (like any good family :D) we share and share alike.
I felt kind of awkward about that post, because I really don't like to start flame wars, or talk badly about anyone, because I'm not like that. Besides, I really don't know Drew but it's because we don't run in the same group I guess. I think it would be great to be able to chat with him about refrigeration because that's what I know and love, but it's not something he seems all that interested in doing, as he'd rather keep his methods and such to himself.
Anyways, if anyone feels slighted by my posts I'm sorry about that.
So yeah, back on topic...
Ssilencer, yours and @itor's work deserve all the credit it's due. Because of your location I think that your evap hasn't seen as much publicity or use, but I think it's well worth looking at using for any load range, but fantastic in use on higher loads.
I've been working towards an easy system of heat exchange to compensate for evap inefficiency allowing for higher load tuning, and I'll post a thread on it when I'm done. I'm hoping that some improvement to the suction line, and condensor efficiency, will make it a lot easier, as Quad's are going to be seeing more and more action and it's nice to have a good method in place for any high load requests.
I'll be watching how things work out with your .036" tuning Noob, I hope you have some good success with that.
I'm looking at using .031" myself for anything much higher than 230w, though with the @itor head .028" and 230w or so was working quite well. That was about the higher limit of the capacity without using an accumulator or SLHX setup, just a longer suction return and extending the captube 'wrap' the full length of the suction pipe instead of focusing on wrapping closer to the evap. Subcooling is important, but extending the heat exchange further down the line seems to help a lot with preventing floodback.
Cheers
Gray
slight edit by runmc
I have only been hanging around in the phase forum for a few months now, just having taken a swing at it with installing a LS on my quad core (which some of you may know did not work out, I am now working on a custom build with NoL), and I have never read any posts by Drew, so I cannot comment on anything other than his abscence.
I CAN comment however on the open sharing of information, suggestions, comments, and the results of experimentation that those in this forum freely post for the benefit of all who visit (or camp out) here.
Everybody seems to enjoy bouncing their ideas off of one another (you wanna try WHAT?) and sharing their successes as well as their failures.
NoL started this thread at my suggestion because of an increasing number of problems with users trying to phase the quads coming to light, and all of the information being shared here will eventually help NoL to help me, and the other builders to help other users.
If Drew, for whatever reason, chooses not to participate, or wishes to do so elsewhere, that is certainly his choice to make. It seems to me that all Gray said was that he did not share his information here, so we'll just all carry on without his input.
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.036" has just arrived, so the build will continue monday afternoon due to a weekend of awayness on my behalf. I'm also working on a possibly new evaporator design that heads back to our roots.
Eleven's evaps were sum of the best, but I think this was mostly due to the horizontal building vs the vertical building we're all using today.
Drew is all for sharing his ideas and techniques. He goes in to great detail on all his projects ceeping secret only his special blend, which all the power to him for keeping that his little secret which there is certainly nothing wrong with, and certain compressor models. He goes into great detail explaining things and hapily answers questions anyone has in very descriptive large paragraphs. The reason what you are saying is upsetting is because you are not a part of his forum and only seem to be upset that he is not a part of yours. If you doubt his credability join eocf for yourself and join in his discussions and ask questions to your hearts content instead of whining about him doing his own thing and choosing not to be a part of xs. I havent seen any of you over there except for a few who barly post a word anyway or else only post their own work and dont bother to comment on anyone else's.(aside from kayl who's been there a looong time) edit: and n00b ;)
If you are going to make claims back them up. Lets see some proof. Show me a compressor that is quieter then danfoss nf9fx, consumers the same amount of power and moves much more heat.Quote:
Originally Posted by johann
Epion I don't think he's claiming that their are compressors which more more heat than the Nf9fx with less energy consumption or more quietly, simply that it doesn't move enough heat for quad cores. That's not to say that the replacement compressors run as quietly or consume less power. At a certain point however in order to move enough heat, you're going to have to trade noise for capacity. I believe in one of Johann's latest builds he used a 1/2HP Aspera which he was quite happy with and had superior capacity in comparison with the NF9FX though was probably not as quiet.
Chill down lades :D
What's the problem?
Nobody said that Drew is not one of the legends of phase change cooling, he has his place, and he likes to be there, so be it.
Gray mole and Johan are one of the guys that tried more different evaps than the rest of us, so, I take the word of this guys as valid as Drew word, all of this because someone share his testing and experience, and someone else got picky about it.
IIRC Gray mole and Johan used Kayl evaps in the past and for sure in the future too, Drew never got an evap from us yet, so, I think that the fact that he didn't say nothing about our evap is just because he is a wise man that like to talk from experience and not just for seing a picture.
I will try (and I was trying for some time) to send him an evap so he can test it too, problem is that @itor is a man that is confident of his own work and doesn't need the approval of nobody, so he never sent a waterblock or an evap to nobody for free just to heard what he already know, because he has his own profesional testing bench even if he doesn't post his own findings for obvious reasons.
so I'm the one that likes to see his work all over the world getting recognized as one of the best waterblocks and evap designers because he is my friend and I feell proud of him, any problem with that?
WHO here has at least 8 years designing waterblocks or evaps under a solid knowledge thermodynamics foundation?
Also, almost all the rest of the serious blocks are cnc machined, and you have to make some trade offs in detriment of performance because machining time is expensive and large qttys demands more machining time. He take more than a complete working day to do just one, and off course it is the most expensive evap because of that.
so, anyone has a place to be, evaps made in series and premium stuff.
BTW, check out his new showroom page
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Sneil is a great guy, and as almost all of us that likes to build new things and try to get every bit of performance, we have the cooler unit, and the hottest blood when we have to defend our beliefs and friends.
EOF Vapour subforum is the second on my list of visits just because Drew is there.
Anyway, you don't find guys like Gray Mole every day, sometimes I think he got nuts to be willing to share anything he got over hours of testing, every one of us keeps some secrets, IMHO it has it's reasons, you took the time and effort to get some extra bit of performance and share every bit of it makes the way too easy for the rest, so, knock your head if you want to get it, at least a little, keeps you young :D.
Embarco (Aspera) does have a fine line of "High Efficiency" compressors. Jinu and Johann have both used them and are very happy with them. These may be the next generation of Phase cooling compressors to handle the quads.
I don't know Drew but I would sure like to meet him. I may have to go over to his place and visit or maybe he could come visit us.:) Now it would be nice to get this thread back on topic with a friendlier atmosphere. Thanks for the cooperation everyone. :)
Had about twenty Turkey's tonight (in celebration of Friday), and I gotta say, vertical is not a good thing. Wouldn't it be better to keep as much of the vaporization at baseline (isn't it where most of the phase change dynamics take place?). I think a lotta advancement would lie in being able to use silver evaps. In conjunction with very fine fins inside the evap.Quote:
Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337
So, can I take the comments I made about your last post back? You seem to have calmed down a tad. I am new to this field, and Shirley not an expert (of course I'm serious, And don't ever call me Shirley) (If you don't know the reference or the humor, sorry).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
Anyway, I might check into your board to see what's up. Can you link me into any discussions of failed LS's or quad-capable units?
With respects.......Harv.