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Still no product or ES or demo to be seen...Sounds like another R600/RD600 or a "65nm on track".
If you compare, Intels 45nm is only a few weeks after K8L. And Intels 45nm can boot any OS..and show a taskmgr aswell (hoho).
The hype is taking tension...
Also MAS..as some have said. In those synthetic benchmarks, Core 2 is 6x faster per clock than Core 1. Yet its quite a different scenario when real world kicks in.
not weeks but monthsQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
AMD is starting quad-core Opteron production this month, but intel has only some penryn ES (and i didn;t see york, only penryn)
as to K8L ES...
numerous brisbane ES tests came only after brisbane announce date - it's AMD's tradition
Where does it say production this month ? And what does AMD have if not ES ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
Considering AMD's execution in the last year I propose you to revisit this thread in may and see who has the last laugh. ;)
Brisbane is nothing to brag about , in fact it is almost a failure.K8L OTOH is AMD's Conroe in theory.Quote:
as to K8L ES...
numerous brisbane ES tests came only after brisbane announce date - it's AMD's tradition
AMD should learn from the Dark Side how to promote a new CPU.Or maybe they they have nothing but hot air ?
Like I care. K8L rock. :toast:
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Originally Posted by savantu
Amd Closed today @ $16.03. I have 2 days for it to fall another $1.03Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
for above statement to be correct. The only reason I mention this is that. I was just reading the news section . I place I am banned from.
The story on k8l performance being 40% better than C2D . and the inquirer story that Amd will release these chips in MaY.
Whats that got to do with above? It seems to me I have been about 95% correct in what I have been saying. This story of the K8L being 80% faster than K8 is amusing. I believe if you reread what it says that only in ffu. It should also be read with a very large grain of salt.
AMD stock is falling faster than a speeding bullet. They just wiped out almost 2 years of profits. If K8l is coming in may. That means their are ES chips. AMD would be showing real world results with these chips to help stop the bleeding. Instead that put out a BS story to the inquirer so they would print it. Smoke and mirrors fella's. Thats all it is.
Buy the time K8L arrives AMD will be valued at less than they paid for ATI.
IF K8L is in production as reported. AMD would be showing. It if it in fact was 40% faster than C2D,
After AMD DEC. anylist report nothing AMD says can be believed. They duked thousands of people out of millions of dollars. I personally have wrote my state atty. About this and have E-mailed the DoJ. Someone has to be prosecuted for this fruadulent act. AMD crossed the line on that one.
Whats up with this inquirer stuff anyway. First you guys say its all BS. Now your using it as a holy grail. Fact is I was told I couldn't use Inquirer links anymore.
I believe K8L will be a good Cpu . Will it be better than C2D I don't know. Will it be better than Penryn ? Not a Chance. On the penryn thing. I keep hearing you guys saying that the D1 plant in Org. Is the only plant ready to use intels 45nm process. I think you should maybe research what the other org. Plant see what it can do.
The common comment seems to be that if AMD had anything to show, they would show it now, aka, we would be seeing benches with ESs. My question is (and I don't know the answer, I'm honestly curious) whether or not AMD has done this in the past. While there are quite a few ppl here at XS that would exult in ES benches of any type, how much benefit did Core 2 ever receive from it in terms of sales? AMD may simply have no interest in bringing out the ESs for whatever reason; for it to be only due to having nothing to show doesn't seem to be the only possibility...
A better way to say the above: What are the internal links to the reasoning that No ES = lousy chip?
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by xVeinx
Well, lets look on it from another side. No ES means no serverboards, no desktop boards. Specially serverboards needs alot of testing. So unless AMD plans to launch K8L and bet everything, incl. server performance on the old HT standard....and that I find very unlikely. Unless they want to cripple themselves from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by xVeinx
So no ES, no boards, no testruns, no product.
I don't know how big the impact was of Intel putting out es chips. Why don't you have a vote poll asking that question. But I believe it had a bigger impact than your willing to admit to.Quote:
Originally Posted by xVeinx
I remember when the first benchmarks were shown here. Fugger can vouch for this the server was put under hugh strain for quit a few days. Go back and read the comments. I don't know the exact no of hits but it was hugh. A lot of people who were going to buy AMD postponed that buy and waited for C2D'S. Check all the forums C2D is the boss everywhere.
I will be conservitive and say AMD lost at least 10,000 customers because of those early ES bench marks. Thats just the self build guys. Factor in the people they told who bought HP or dell or what ever.
A perfect example is the Apple fanboys were snarling wgen it was reported that Apple would use intel cpu's. After the early ES bench marks done here they were dancing in the streets.
So how big that impact of the early showing was I don't know. What I believe as do many others here it was bigger than you will admit. Ask any of the guys here that left AMD for Intel and see if those early benchmarks had a mindset effect on them.
That's a good point, I hadn't thought about that aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
The first K8 ES benchmarks appeared in early June 2002 and K8 launched 16 months later in late September 2003.:fact:
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/20...0607012097.htm
PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT INTEL IN AN AMD THREAD
btw, the guy that called brisbane a failure needs to use his brain more
1)brisbane wasnt about getting a faster cpu
2)first tests with 65nm
3)higher yields
4) less expensive cpu's (they really need this on,their margin% is about 36%)
Brisbane is doing whats its supposed to do
Here are I believe the latest AMD road maps.
K8L H2 07.
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/3...06_Roadmap.png
Hello people, what if one day AMD die and bring along ATI. Will you intel fanboy live happily ever after?
Come on AMD delay in launching new CPU, stock price is dropping. Why you people still seemed to be very happy?? Is this supposed to be a good sign, intel fanboy???
How intel will look like and what kind of premier do we need to pay for a CPU if AMD really dead?? It is all about balance. Use you brain, kid. :slapass:
they don't understand that if anyone wins, we loseQuote:
Originally Posted by SunFlowerSeeds
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Originally Posted by Turtle 1
AMD section to follow soon i hope, so bored with your thread crapping.
Amen.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
NN we all understand perfectly well. I think we all want K8L to perform well.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Some for differant reasons than others. But this stuff AMD is putting out in the news is pure fud. K8l 40% faster than C2D. I find that very unreasonable for them to say without showing us some realworld test.
Than you factor in the Dec. Demo of K8l running Task manager. using 4 cores. I think everyone one of us including you would have been happy to see 1 core with 4 dies doing some real world benchmarks.
If thats the best AMD could Demo in Dec. There is noway it can be ready in may for sales. You been around long enough to know this. Than you consider what AMD said on dec. 15 and than look at the results of the qt. report. Than you say we don't understand. Thats a low blow.
If you want to follow what AMD says blindly thats fine. But to say we don't understand is an insult. Until AMD can stop lying to investors and the public they have along way to go to rebuild their credibility.
Right now for me if AMD delivers on a cpu in the form of K8l that is 40% faster than C2D at the same clock speed. And they deliver these cpu's in April May.
They will win back there credibilty with many people including myself. But until that happens . Its all AMD hype. Now I know if April -May goes by and we don't see the processors. You guys will say it was the inquirer putting out fud. I know for a fact ATI use to feed the inquirer BS just to make them look bad. My wife's brother inlaw told me that. Now some of these same guys work at AMD.
I know these is an AMD thread. But those of us who are not going along with the hype aren't thread crapping at all. If anything we are bring reasoning to this thread.
I don't think any off us believe K8L will not be = to or > than C2D. Clock for clock. But 40% seems very unreasonable. That is what we are objecting to. It would be great if it were true. As it would push intel even harder. Not only that but I could no doubt by a 45nm Wolf/ York very cheaply. That wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. Than AMD's roadmaps call for K8L in H2 0f 07. Thats july to dec time frame. Not April may. . When has AMD ever delivered a new arch. ahead of road maps time frame? Than you say we don't understand.
Do people really want AMD to make crappy products and die? Why do people want to predict gloom and doom for AMD?? I for one want both AMD and Intel to be strong and competitive so they can push each other make better and innovative products. We the consumers benefit for healthy competition. People here don't have inside information (I don't think, anyway) so I suggest we all wait and see what K8L is really like. Company statements are that ... just statements company wants to put out. All companies want to shed the best possible light on their product. We'll see what the truth is when retail hardware hits the shelves. :woot:
right, desktop K8L - Q3 2007Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
but server one - Q2 2007
difference btw them - only buffered mem. controller
i wish everyone would stay on topic, if anybody has bashing or questions about the integrity of a product they should start their own thread. THis thread is obviously about product updates and future business plans.
Does anyone have a link to an official AMD roadmap or statement that says K8L Opterons are coming in Q2 and Athlons in Q3? I've seen plenty of unsubstantiated speculation to that effect but nothing even remotely substantive. The last official AMD roadmaps I've seen showed K8L officially launching sometime in Q3 with Opterons to follow shortly and Athlons in Q1-08. TIA.
Yes it doesQuote:
Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl
And its alrady been posted in this thread:rolleyes:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=48
I think Fred lives in some virtual reality world since he missed one of these articles :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Teroedni
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...onf-part1.html
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We have all seen a similar picture that illustrated the changes in the K8L core. Thus, practically all of them (at least those that were mentioned) must be included into the first generation of quad-core processors, which are planned to manufacture (to be more exact — to appear in stores) in Q2 2007! It means that AMD intends to reschedule its "riposte to Intel Core 2" to an earlier date, even compared to the most optimistic forecasts (mid 2007). Opteron and Athlon 64 FX processors will be the first to upgrade to the new core. That's certainly the most important piece of news.
Which roadmap was that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl