Curiously, I wonder if OPB would be kind enough to try overclocking one of these NEWER sets of Cronus Micron and see if he can obtain 300s or more around the 270-280 speeds that most of us are seeing now.
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Curiously, I wonder if OPB would be kind enough to try overclocking one of these NEWER sets of Cronus Micron and see if he can obtain 300s or more around the 270-280 speeds that most of us are seeing now.
So, what is the consensus so far, guys? From those that bought Cronus-Micron, we're seeing 270-285Mhz and then ozzimark's 295Mhz, right?
Maybe it's not 300Mhz "Ballistix-style", but still very nice performance, considering they are $265 :)
I'd say lower than 270-285. Probably more like 250-265 with a lot of people struggling with even stock and using 2T or getting a new motherboard (if anyone noticed people with ASUS A8N mobos seemed to have the most trouble vs us with DFIs).
Right now I think it's safe to say 265 is stable for me. If I tweaked I give myself maybe at most 280. Gonna try change BIOS's and see if that helps me any, but I'm pretty sure 300 is way out of reach of this new batch hence my reason to ask OPB to try OCing with the current batch of sticks (I think its a reasonable enough task if TeamGroup wants to stand behind their Cronus Micron sticks).
yes, Seferio is quite right, I try my set under a8n 32 SLI, that board makes my 5b-f sounds like POS
Anyone here running a Expert, I cant seem to get 270 syable for shi..
Ive followed all these pages and even OPB settings in support and none fly for me..
Maybe its a Expert bios issue?
I currently have the 12/7 official bios, could there be a better bios for these?
OPB do u run these in ur expert with the venus bios or wut?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
let's say, post your a64 tweaker (most stable results, remember, not my table), then we fix from there;)
K gimme a min right now im running @ 265 so far so good, wayyyy looose
This was taken @ 265 tightened em up a bit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5.../265stable.jpg
this is stable but at 270 no good
1. use 2.7v~2.73v
2.200mhz 3.9 won't do anything
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7536/5bf2vw.jpg
ok ill try urs now and report back at 270Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
OPB, can you get it 3D stable at 270?
I think so, old benchmarks lost from raid 0 config.
I will post the result on 7900gtx sli:)
No good for me OPB
instant errors
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
try MAL/RP--->9ns/6.5ns
if still not good, I think I will have to run test under my components,
Iwill be no problem to test that for you:toast:
** another thought , it might be the PSU, but not sure,
right now im good at 267
anything above that errors :(
17 mhz overclock im not impressed with at all so far..
I think there must be something wrong with that
let's say lower your 12v to 12.25v; 5v goes to 5.05, 3.3v goes to 3.35v
tref set as 4708,ICL set as auto under bios as the same as dynamic counter
set bypassmax as 7x, disable the errata94 and "set auto as errata 123"(don't set disable)
Don't give it up yet.:)
if you can, put a active cooling on top of ram socket area.:)
Will try tomorrow, right now im tired of messing with it :)
I know with your help ill be up and running good before i know it..
Just that im coming from be-6 that does 254 2.5-3-2-5 and this was almost like a kick in da bawlz upgrading to this if u know what i mean..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
ya I appreciate your energy, now I feel bad with my royal customer used back me up and can't run good reesults, I will definitely let you run at least 270 .
Good night my friend.:)
I'm with you on that one, primed for 8 hours fine, but I was playing source last night and getting artifacts and crashing, nothing else is overclocked too, I'm going to try loosening MAL and RP, could by my mem controller?:strick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Red.Sky
my sticks are 3d stable at my highest prime stable atm, 295mhz...
though i'm rethinking the drive strengths. maybe 5 wasn't optimal after all.. :D
should have some good news in about an hour :p:
You b@stard. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
I'm still trying to get my sticks past 285 without erros. Got em down to around 500 errors in test 5. Still on 2.7v (set in bios), maybe try adding .3 and see if it shows improvement. May also try 7/15 rather than 7/14...
nope, it was a false alarm. i had them up to 299mhz with level 6 while priming, but when i stopped the test (had been going for about 45min), instant bsod. i went back into windows and tried to run superPI at 299mhz... wouldn't even pass 1m :rolleyes:
Serves you right for being a show off... :p: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
j/k ozzi, you should still keep trying man.
i'll figure it out eventually :D
for now, warhammer time! :p:
As for the waiting, it seems you can keep waiting for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Best results, 283*8 @ 3-3-3-8, up to 2,85V.(More Vmem only results in more heat)
(Editted back from 287 to 283, as it didn`t pass SP2004 for 7 hours)
A definitive no-go on 2-2-2-8@200 regardles voltage. :slapass:
(Best 200@2,5-2-2-7)
Swiched them to NF4 Ultra-D, but same results there.
It seems my first statement was correct,
THE EARLY BIRD DOESN`T ALWAYS WIN. :toast:
Commenting on my CE6, 2,5-4-4-8 500, on RDX they run 257X11 3-3-2-7(SanDiego), giving the same memory performance(Sisoft and Everest), as on NF4 Ultra-D 257X11 2,5-3-2-8(Opti 148). :banana:
And that is also the speed, I seem to be hitting the wall with.
The UCCC`s give more FSB, but need loose timings. :woot:
I can't seem to get 275 stable for the life of me, I've come a long way from where I was before though, here is my A64Tweak:
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7472/2756ni.jpg
Some results:
Loosening MAL and RP to auto/auto/normal made memory 3D stable at 270 and helped stability
Loosening Twr, Twtr, and Trtw didn't did not help stability
Trrd of 3 helps but it is still unstable
Loosening Trfc made memory less stable
Drive Str of 6 helped a lot, I am currently testing @ 5
I am also trying 166 MHz 15.6us as OPB suggested to Philosophy
2.8v helped a LOT with stability
Changing ICL to 256clks didn't seem to help much
I MUST get 275 stable at least, 280 will be icing on the cake
Any suggestions?
great thread, guys. your suggestions have been invaluable for dealing with these finicky microns. :toast:
got mine stable at 275 (2.8v, DS 8/DDS 2), working on 280...
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9770/275htt5qq.jpg
Oh meh gad, finally
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1201/275ftw2ht.jpg
275HTT 2.8v 8/1 DS/DDS
Lol see? Sometimes Normal strength works real good ;)
I dont feel the odd man out anymore :D
Very nice work. :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
What got them stable, DS and DDS?
after playing around a bit more, i don't see a whole lot of difference between weak and normal... it's more that 5 works best, any lower is a no go, and it slowly gets worse as i raise it, though not a lot :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
DRAM Configuration Low RegisterFunction 2: Offset 90h
how can there be 7 drive strengths for DFI when memory controller supports only weak and normal ?Quote:
D_DRV (D_DRV)—Bit 1. Controls the drive strength of the DRAM device outputs when the DRAM
is driving on a READ command. This bit is required by the DRAM in the Extended Memory
Register Set (EMRS) command. It applies to all outputs.
0 = Normal Drive (default)
1 = Weak Drive (beware)
I mean, why DFI has so many levels for ds ?
6.5 mal? or am i seeing that shot wrong?
im still stuck at 267 and thats still eroring, but only 1 verry rarely in windows memtest..
i see 8ns MAL and 6.5ns RP :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
DS/DDS was what made that happen, I used memtest to find that out though =0 All the other settings would give 200+ errors but 8 for DS gave much lower, and 8/1 the least.
I just tried priming and it failed very quickly, which peed me off because it was 3D stable for a good 2 hours... I'm not too sure where to go from here
lol wut i meant 6.5 RP
worked for me @ 267
trying 270 now
also ds8 dd1
Changing ICL back to 16clks helped a lot, been priming for about 10 minutes now, as before it failed within the first minute
Just to make sure heat isn't an issue, I opened up my case and put a room fan blowing right into it :P I'll post if its stable in the AM
Im back it seems im not gonna get 270 no matter if god strikes my machine with a bolt of lightning to the 3.3V rail, im totally unhappy with this purchase man, im really dissapointed right now, totally mad as hell..
i had to back down to 8/1 in order to get prime stable at 275, but now i can't seem to get stable at anything beyond that (been trying 278 for the last several hours). here are my settings:
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/1386/a642753ih.jpg
first i tried dropping Read Preamble to 6.0 and 6.5
next i tried different settings for ICL (0, 256), and tried each with all three RP settings.
then I disabled Dynamic Idle Cycle Counter and tried ICL and RP changes again.
i dropped Bypass Max to 4x and R/W Queue Bypass to 8x, neither of which had much effect.
lastly i played around with Tref (for lack of any better ideas), gave a little more voltage to my CPU for good measure...
i can pass super pi 32M and OCCT, but no luck with dual prime95. anyone have any suggestions for a memory tweaking noob?
I was stuck at 270 @ 3-3-3 until I tried a few things today. First, I flashed to 704-2BTA which was good to me when I had Crucial Ballistix (also Micron chips). Second, I moved the module in slot-1 to slot-3 and vice versa. Can now run SuperPi 32M at 280 and 2.9v. Not dual-Prime stable however. But 275 @ 2.8v is both SuperPi and dual-Prime stable. :)
Edit: updated screenshot. I tightened a few timings
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8...0x1032m0ou.png
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/609...rime2754cq.png
verry nice sierra...
I got mine 3d stable @ 270 nowhere near prime or memtest windows stable, I figured id burn em in a few hrs overnight and see after that..
I dont think mine are gonna give me anywhere near what iu guys are getting..
Nice 170 btw... 0550 vpmw im guessing
Thanks. Yes, it's a 0550 VPMW. It's dual-Prime stable at 2.9GHz with 1.4v and air cooling.
I don't know about you guys but I tried the 15.6us timings, they gave me SO many errors compared to the 1.95us and 3.9 (the last 8, which are know to be good for 2G, except for the very last one which rapes performance) in that ss I am using 3072, which is what Auto gets from the memory
You guys might want to try those, 3684 helps me a lot, it is known to be the best with the G.Skill HZ kit
Oh btw
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/4...estable2yd.jpg
Changing ICL to 16clks made the world for me, going to push 280 today, too bad I am getting a new CPU soon so I might need to redo all of this :rolleyes:
this is an interesting occurance. :stick:
http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_209.png
gonna see if i can finally get those last 2.6mhz :D
side note.. just noticed i forgot smartguardian. voltage is set to 2.8v in the bios
actually Carbine's Trfc is a bit too tight:)
and twr can try 2; rp use 6 with mal 8 will be perfec.
also , if you figure out the DS use normal, then use 6 under ultra-d is most likely the rational number.;)
Thanks for the input OPB, I'll try that now, hopefully I can hit 280 :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
I just ran prime for another 2.5 hours with my case closed to test for heat, and it's still running, at least I know heat isn't a problem :P
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9941/280pi32m1bn.jpg
2.8v .03v enabled
I didn't try trfc of 13 yet, but I took OPB's advice and loosened it anyways
I tried changing RP to 6.0 by setting the DRAM Response to Fast (it is at 6.0 with Normal, adding .5) but it would not boot, I'll try 5.5 after though, or auto.
I'm going to try to prime this for a good 30 minutes and see if it fails instantly or not
Edit: Prime failed in a minute :rolleyes:
try leaving them on auto and the dram response at "normal", does it not boot with 8.0ns/5.5ns?
for me, i lose a bit of stability when i use twr 3.
I changed my tRef to my more stable 3684, now its chugging away at prime (been 40 minutes)
I will try changing them to auto/auto/normal as you suggested, and I will also try twr of 2
These are some great sticks :toast:
yup, they're just a challenge to get set up right. once you get there.. :D
Prime ended up failing in 59 minutes, I just booted with auto/auto/normal and did get 8/5.5 for MAL/RP, also changed TWR to 2
I'm going to set RP to 6 and prime it
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
yup, that'sa the way you should do it, set auto under bios then change those under windows.
Way to go buddy:toast:
Thanks OPB :)
Loosening Twr to 2 didn't seem to help, still failed prime within ~6 minutes. RP of 6.0 didn't seem to help either, prime failed within ~5 minutes. The board wouldn't boot with an RP of 7, so it is going to be 6.0 or 6.5, I don't think the RP is causing my instability
Should I try loosened Trfc to 15? I might try some more volts, but I'd be weary to run them at 2.9v 24/7
I would try swtich the ram to different slot(exchange each other)
work from 2.65v, and try trfc as 15,.
honestly , when I first time play my 5b-f(actully that pair now it's Ozzimark's.)
I even can get it work @ 270stable..no way. I am wondering why ozzimark can do that.:p:...cpu...PSU..;)
i'm convinced the motherboard plays a HUGE role in it. i distinctly remember having serious issues getting over 260-270mhz stable with 3-3-3 unless i switched to 2T on my old board.. (once i did though, 300mhz was easy)
though Kev, i know you've got some quality mobo's sitting around, so... :confused:
edit: i doubt it's the psu. i've got a powerstream420 :p:
Sounds like the limiting factor is the ability of the memory controller on the CPU.
I would not doubt that. I am surprised I've gotten so far with a 3200+ Venice
As for my sticks, I switched em up, but I can't seem to get prime stable, it keeps failing around 50-60 minutes, 896K FTT.
Right now I am doing a custom test with just 896K FTT and it seems to be doing just fine, so I am curious with whats up
I switched up the slots, loosened trfc, nothing seems to help :stick: I have yet to try other volts
Edit: This is the weirdest thing, it ran 896K FTT for 50 minutes then failed :rolleyes:
I have my pair pretty stable now at 280. Did some more tweaking today. Setting DRAM drive strength to normal seemed to help. So far, the sticks have survived more than four hours of Large FFTs. The only major negative is that I need 2.9v to run at 280. Might be able to go higher, but I don't want to use any more voltage.
Edit: screenshot updated
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2...rime2804ks.png
None of your pictures are posting correctly =0
I'd really like to see your settings :) :banana:
Hmmm, I see the screenshots fine. I'm using the PNG format because the images are usually clearer than JPEG. I'll post them as attachments. Maybe that will help. BTW, large FFTs have been running for more than three hours now. :)
I can see the pictures as links fine... nice work Sierra :).
Very weird, some reason PNG files don't want to show up :stick:
By switching slots and loosening Trfc to 15 I finally broke that 50 minute barrier in prime :) Loosening Trfc to 15 didn't help untill switch slots, been priming for 1 hour 20 minutes now
Thanks. :) I stopped using the JPEG format because the image quality is so yucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by gocchin
I updated the screenshot I posted earlier. More than four hours of large FFTs at 280. Again, I'm using 704-2BTA with DRAM drive strength set to normal-4 which I believe corresponds to 8 on other DFI BIOS's. Data drive strength is at 2. I had MAL at 9ns which was more by accident than design. Not sure if that helped. Anyway, I'm reasonably pleased with the results so far. :)
sierra_bound what are you using mobo and cpu and how are you rinning it what is your multi and fsb? Guys I cant my stable at all 264*11, you are running 280-299 fsb, but what are you multipliers? I currently run opty 175 with DFI Expert and micron mem, and this is not happening for here, trying them at 255*11 priming while I am at work. Any hep would be great here.
Thanks,
Joe
I'm using a DFI Ultra-D (rev. AD0) and 704-2BTA BIOS. The CPU is an Opteron 170 that's air-cooled. Everything is running in a closed case. I was using the 10 multi (280X10).
When I first got the sticks, I had a hard time with anything above 270. Flashing to a different BIOS and moving the module in slot-1 to slot-3 and vice versa seemed to help. The only thing I don't like is having to use 2.9v to run stable at 280. High voltage eventually killed my Crucial Ballistix. That was true for many other users as well. For daily use, I run the Cronus at 290X10 with the 183 divider. This gives me a RAM speed of around 264. I need only 2.6v to run stable at those settings.
But when running a divider you loose speed? Maybe I should try 290*10 or 310*9, I have Expert with opty 175 w/ Big Typhoon 120mm Sunon fan. I think my problem is the cpu or the expert.
sierra, are you still running with Trtw @ 2?
290X10 with the 183 divider works fine for me. I have not tried 310X9. These modules are for my daily system, so reliability is more important to me than anything else. I was just testing them over the weekend to see where they top out at. I really don't want to run them at 2.9v 24/7. For the things I do, 264 is plenty of speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by joek71
Yes. Using 3 didn't really help me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
interesting, cause i can't get over around 280-285mhz without switching to 3.. then again i am running with 2.5v right now, so.. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Yes, you have an exceptional pair of sticks. Wish I could do 290 with 2.7v or less, but it's just not going to happen.
LOL I wish i could get 270 stable with any dam settings or volts at a..
I throw errors all over the place in windows memtest at 270, figured id try to fild with em overnight and see if maybe the heat or usage would burn em in, but aparently not, I might have to guess thats its almost cdertainly mem controller related also, because mine sucks on this 170..
now things getting insteresting,
on the fx60, running upper ram freq. divider
the ram timings can be real crazy
I never think about my pair can do those tight under 275..
and the super pi time get as good as fx57 does about the same CPU speed.;)
http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/7473/fx60aw0kf.jpg
just a heads up... heat seems to play a huge role. my previous prime95 stable settings of 295mhz fails in ~10 min now because i made a slight tweak to the cooling of the ram area :(
good quality heatsinks would probably be very nice...
edit: Kevin, which bios supports the fx-60 and the >1:1 ratios? :confused:
if it's your venus or expert, i'll understand ;)
edit2: another fluke! it appears that i got the two sticks in backwards. reversed the order and i've been priming at 295mhz for ~30 min now. *breaths sigh of relief*
silly computers! :lol2:
I hate this ram :(
Wish ida gotten some TCCD...
and only have 1gb? :toast:
I plan get teh Team Xtreem 2x 512 BH5 (2-2-2-5 500mhz) for my Expert DFI ( issue with TCCD , Voltage regulation problem between slot and CPU.. impossible to set in stable cfg)
What about this DDR... they seems really fine!!!:D
:p: I think they will make you :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lane-k
I'm a little uneasy with all the hype over these sticks just to learn that most users are barely recieving any overclocks at all. Great stock sticks, but I had to cancel my order given:
- Micron-F ram is not "limited edition" as original purposed.
- They are expensive compared to sticks that can clock better.
- Many users are reporting SPD problems. (Quality Control or CPU-Z, I'm not sure)
- Misleading results posted by the original poster.
- Exposure of the true Micron F performance by Tony.
Hmm not a very good way to start out. Artificially hyping up the product to increase demand for what is essentially a mainstream product. Giving cherry picked sticks to the reps to test (i'm not blaming the reps, its all on the company's head). Now unless Teamgroup do something to show good faith, they lost a couple of thousand life long customers. Guess where they will go...-> OCZ, Mushie, G.Skill. Good job, good job!
i have the 2x1 gig micron sticks i have a dfi ultra-d OCZ powerstream 520 opti 165 300x9 24x7 stable i use 166 dividder ram at 245 everythings fine at 2.7 volts i go to 180 divider wont even attempt windows 2.8 volts same thing i copied sieras settings any ideas?? thanx in advance
Though I've been reading this forum for years, the only reason I finally registered was to express my total dissatisfaction with the type of hype we see regarding these new 'Super Sticks' we've been seeing lately.
Of course it could be said that running anything above spec is getting more than what you paid for, but I bought the particular ram I have expecting to run well above spec, since that is what all the hype lead me to believe I could do.
I guess I just miss my ballistics! (when they worked)
I've been burned 3 times on 3 different brands trying for a modest (3D Stable) 267MHz. These are the closest I've had to my goal. From now on I think I'll let the hype diminish and let a thread grow (and get some more realistic results) before putting down cash.
I will see, i have a find a german shop should have them soon.. If they don't come this next week i will certainly switch for G-skill 3200 UTT-BH5, I don't need 290mhz right now.. just something around 262-270x12.:D and with CAS2.0 (this will make the job, on the expert my TCCD are limited at 260x12 CAS2.5 )Quote:
Originally Posted by Xtreem Tech
i'm seriously thinking about picking up a second set and seeing how it works out... more out of curiosity than anything :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Forgotten_Ronin
Sorry, maybe "consistent" results from multiple sources would have been a better choice of words. I'd like to see you work some magic on some week 03 year 06 sticks though :stick:
someone buy my ocz GX and g.skill LE (which will be coming back from rma in a few days) to give me the funds and i'll give a go. sadly, i'm a broke student, hard to pay for a lot of the stuff that i have sitting around :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Forgotten_Ronin
THis set, not even pass 270 with anything I tweak..Ozzi know that..
now, what did I do? what change I made?
2.62v? lol and look at those timings
during the run took on camera.
http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/...0/DSCN1763.JPG
before finished:
http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/...0/DSCN1764.JPG
windows captured screen:
http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/...fddr55032m.jpg
Did you lower the volts to 2.62 to gain more speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
no,
actually it is the little factor because:
1. I did this on that PSU
2.try several boards.
3.Play upper divider(233, 216, 250)and Ds/DDS along with Tref
so ram is isolated to running exactly the speed you wanna test.:)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lane-k
Same here, if i can't find this Team group BH-5 soon here in Europe i'm gonna go the Gskill road even though i think the Team will clock better.
reminds me of my old motherboard... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
3-3-3-8
2.5v - 276.25
2.6v - 272.46
2.7v - 271.7
2.8v - 269.43
2.9v - 264.14
was the max stable 32m :stick:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=93529
THis also make "a lot of difference":D
:slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
i need to replace my 420w powerstream one of these days... :fact: :D
update i am up to 270 so far on these sticks super pi stable....:banana:
Settings? :)
Same here for both my kits, I left everything on Auto/default and was large FFT stable up to 270 @ 2.7V.Quote:
Originally Posted by leo5111
After 270, the fun begins :D
Still working on 275 ATM :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Yeah i give you this shop link, normally they ship in all europe areas..
http://www.overclockers.de/prodlist.php?kat=267
Ok... you can see the DDR are not avilable yet, but they think have them in something like 10days..perhaps more
In wait i take the part to buy G-Skill 3200 UTT BH5, for take some fun with them and i will have now different good memory for have resource for test and tweaks with different chips..:D
i used sieras settings exactly except for dram drive strength mines on weak 4
have you given the suggestions i gave you a go? :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by leo5111
i will when i try and crank it up but for now seems stable with settings im usin thanx though ozzi....:toast: :toast:
I've made an excel spreadsheet composed of almost everyone's stable settings and all I can say is...damn! There are very few similarities from system to system so I would have to say that these sticks are just trial and error until you get lucky basically. At everything set to auto on my current rig I can't get any stability whatsoever, yet others get up to 270 before running into problems. This is one heck of a learning experience to say the least!