Don't think its a PSU isuue, I seem to have the same 1.25V limit currently using ATITool. Anything over 1.25V seems to cause artifacts even if its a setting works that was at a lower speed for the core.Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
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Don't think its a PSU isuue, I seem to have the same 1.25V limit currently using ATITool. Anything over 1.25V seems to cause artifacts even if its a setting works that was at a lower speed for the core.Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
well i dont have artifacts over 1.25V for sure, it just randomly lockups and reset setting to default :-) but why only world of warcraft?
Hate to say this on WoW, but maybe its more stressful then other games or hits a spot on the core where it is unstable more then the other game.Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
I guess its time to buy Enermax 500W Liberty hehe :-) just to be sure its not PSU problem, didnt got molex in mobo plugged, will try now if something change.
You didn't have the 4 power plugs connected in the mobo?? And it still worked expecially at that speed/voltage on the CPU??Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
I have a Chieftec 420W PSU and everything is fine:) Today I'll buy (i hope so) a zalman VF700-AlCu cooler. I hope the in 600/1400 MHz (1.2/2.0V) the card won't push over 65 degrees...With the new AtiTool (0.25 b9) can I adjust this core and mem speed (with the voltages!) to start up when I boot into WinXP? It this works correctly? Or I'll have to do it manually every time i log into the system? Wizzard said that the X1800 OC Tool changes the timings on the RAMs to afford higher voltages and ATiTool not, that's why people can't achieve so nice clocks (RAM) as mentioned in X1800 OC Tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
OC changed the timings on the ram to allow for the higher voltages. ATITool leaves it at its default like it should if thats what ya mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvin_ti4200
As for saving voltages nope, currently its not saved per profile yet in ATITool, and is coming in a later version. So I'm looking forward to this setting can't wait.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
hi, the problems still persist. The only thing fixed is benchmarks run fine , Colin mcrae05 (which was in the bundle) , MS FS2K4 and aquamark all crash. thats 5.11 installed. :stick:
Could u plz post ur system specs?Quote:
Originally Posted by ea6gka
Same here. We definitly need this feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
DFI LP nf4 ultra+X2 3800 @2650 watercooled (stable 100%) , 2X512 UTT twinmos, tagan 480. It could be the affinity problem with X2's, i will check it out but aquamark ran fine with me old 6800U. thanx for the help man :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Are u running the updated Aquamark?Quote:
Originally Posted by ea6gka
i think so , it was downloaded 2 months ago
ea6gka : what error aquamark3 show you? does it crash after last test, when score should appear?
yes thats the one spadjdr. it shows a quite big error starting with FATAL ERROR
lol. not so big. All u need is the udated dll file then all should be 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by ea6gka
Spajdr, do u still have the link to the file?
mR_Yellow : yep :-)
http://www.pctechnology.gr/vbull/vb/...achmentid=4374
need to be unpacked in aquamark3 directory and rewrite old .dll
I tried ATiTool 0.25 beta9, but it's suxx. :( When I raised up the RAM voltage from the default 1.9V to 2.0V, the programme put it to 1.8V :confused:
Although I opened my case again and made my new 3DMark05 record :woot:
625/1500 MHz (XT default, really it's 627/1494 MHz)
8605 points Futuremark
The RAM voltage doesn't work yet..
I got 9143 in 05. @ 650/650 using AtiTool :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvin_ti4200
Hmm. And did you changed the GPU and RAM voltages?Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Nice results :toast:
Work for me nicely, only private beta9 didnt got working voltage for RAMs.Quote:
Originally Posted by robin
I only changed the core volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvin_ti4200
I used 1.3v but also works at 2.5 (tested it at that voltage latter on)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4192/96994jd.jpg
this baby surely need watercooling :p:
Ram voltage does work, just don't use OC tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by robin
OC Tool resets the voltages to 1.8 for the ram and well then you end up with problems. Also the ram doesn't clock as high, but it gets a hell of a lot more preformance out of ATITool at lower clock speeds.
Nice :toast:
These babes want to be cooled. Plz post voltages used!
BTW
Hows ur HIS going...better than ur sapphire?
1.35V/2.064V/1.922V
Thinking on putting RAMs higher, i want that damn bloody 10K then i will be happy, so f00king close!
And if its better then sapphire, well it doesnt show any artifacts, but so far, its unstable in WOW at 600/1300 ... but i didnt got more voltage on RAMs, maybe because of it is. But bluescreen with lower voltage on RAMS with infinite loop error is kinda weird, why it dont snow artifacts?
Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
On my X1300 01 is most sensitive test for GPU crash! when on 03 & 05 i can clock gpu 579 "stable", 01 is able to pass only on 567!!
same here with my x1800. I can loop 03 and 05 for hours on end at 575/550 stock volts. 01 however will crash in about an hour and a half max if I don't raise volts up by 0.025. After that it too will loop for hours on end without a crash.
ok, watercooling for gpu and chipset coming on friday! cant wait :-)
My Yellow and spajdr what brand XL are u running ? I'm getting my new XL tomorrow. I hope hat i have no 1.25v bug on this one. The last one maxed out @ 1.2 :(
PLS what exactly is 1.25V bug? THXQuote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
I don't know yet. Some cards ( must say cores ) Have it. If you go above 1.25 u get artifacts or lockups. below 1.25 everything is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by danikd
I don't know why this is. Not all XL seem to have it. I think its because these cores where not good enough for the XT boards. ( They could not run 625 core with 1.33 v So > XL. )
So you might be lukky by getting one that like voltage and u can have bad luck.
actually i can have 1.35V on core and 700, but temperature is way high .. over 70C as i said before, but its stable, but when i raise memory to 650Mhz, gpu gets even more hot and then bluescreen or vpu error. For sure overclocking is more stable for me over ati overclocker, with 700/1560 for example, though score is little lower compared to ati tool, but i dont need to have 2V on mems.
And i can run 625 with 1.2V only and 600 with 1.175V.
Sapphire was different, at 600Mhz it got black pixels errors in fear, so i must bumped gpu voltage to 1.275V! to be without errors.
I will get soon Atrix 600W (17+19A on 12V) just for sure.
Are you running a sapphire now ? or a other brand ? I got the same thing those black pixel. Only i got them @ stock voltages. So it whent RMA .I hope i can get 1.3v with my new card.Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
nope, sapphire go RMA too because of that black pixels, its ok with HIS now :-)
Domm damm i hope that i won't have the same problems then. Because i had the same shid that you had. OWh well i'll test it tomorrow and if i sux again i'll ask for a HiS.Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
But nice OC with that 700 core. VF700 @ 100% speed cant handel that 1.3v and 700 core ?
Offtopic:
You care lucky with your 144 opteron most cant handle 2.5+. then tey will need like 1.6v or so. What are u running on it ? and air cooled ? i have got a 165 max 2.650 with 1.6v going back to the venice that can do 2.850 prime stable 8 hr @ 1.6. Waiting for the new ref ADV cores with lower TDP. Hopefully i will have enough power then for a 31k 01 score: P
yeh opty 144 is aircooled as you see in my signature :-)
I dont find 70C+ good with 700Mhz on GPU, it just too much for me.
Your sapphire will be ok, friend got sapphire, its respin 14 already and got same results as me, though RAMs he only got to 1500 with overclocker, i can get it on 1600, but with ati tool i need more voltage to get it without artifacts in games. Im really sure that on sapphire there was written samsung too, but numbers next to it looked different, both are 1.4ns.
Besides Sapphire makes HIS and Asus cards also, so basically all new XL cards should have same RAMs and core.
I have a GeCube :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
I realy hope so :D don't whant a voltage bugged card again :D. I realy whant that 675 MHz core speed. Then its like A XT PE :P. And i needed the voltage for the memory last time to hit the 800 mhz. But i could not runt that because it locked op or started artifacting.Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
So i have good hopes for this one. I'm realy hoping for some luck this time :stick:
Any functional flash tool to save and flash bios to X1800Xl ? I want try BIOS from another brand than Sapphire ... Thx
Jep the latest version of ATiFlash works just fine. You an find it @ techpowerup.com. I flashed a gecube bion in my last Sapphire. It was no problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by danikd
Was their an improvement with the GeCube bios?Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Not much. Ram did go higher but i was exploring the capebility's of the card. Wave not tested the sapphire bios again. The best clock i could geet with the gecube where 650-800. But i needed 1.275 for that so i had artifacts. But that was because my core did not like 1.275v. But the memory needed that. Or i hthink the MC needed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Astennu, pls, can you send me link to GeCube BIOS ? Or another BIOS ? ThxQuote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Don't have a link. Someone in this topic mailed it to me. Maybe Techpowerup has one ?Quote:
Originally Posted by danikd
Ok guys, just for info, if you want to know how speed decrease when you put gfx into second PCIE slot on my mobo (you need to switch jumpers to SLI mode, which then will be 8x PCIE .. not 2x) then i run 3D Mark 03 with default clocks and results is 14300 in higher PCIE slot and 14180 in lower PCIE slot :-)
Yup, these babes are quite tricky to OC...alot of guess work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Trickey is for sure :) All depends on what OC program you use anymore it can go all over the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
200 points isn't that much. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
Jep i wuld like to know how they oc compaired to a XT. But i realy whant this card to last until the R580. Thats where i whant to spend my 600$ on. Not a XT that only has higher clocks. XT cards wel max out at like 722 mhz. @ stock voltage / cooling. Lets hope my XL is good for 700 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
True, im not OCing antmore till beta10 comes out. I need the voltage to be profiled + better arti scanning.Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
I heared mem voltage is not working. And what abut the artifact scanning ? is it better than beta 9 ? there i would not work @ all. Artis @ stock voltages.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
its working, otherwise i couldnt get mems over ati tool to 680, it was needed to have 2.1V nearly for that :-)
Apart from the extra ram the XT aint worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Its working ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Im hoping Beta10 will be good :slobber:
At that price...($250 above) its definitely not. Check the online deals section for a link to a brand new Connect 3d X1800XL on Newegg for the lowest price yet: $349 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
SO whats the average oc on air most ppl are getting on this card ? Enough for 9k 05 ?
Perkam
Well, im getting 9k with my XL, so i guess i see no need for a XT. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Intresting.. cool to know :) What about 05? Wish I could get a PCI-E sound card, and drop the video card lower in the case so I can cool my northbridge with better cooling easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
Ya mem voltage is working in the released beta 9. I was the one that was saying it wasn't working. Well that was when I was playing with OC tool at the same time too, where it showed on there 1.8V. And ATITool actually has the correct voltage for the memory, what you set it too is actual voltage on the chips or very very close too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Vcore was off on mine a little but hoping someone with a DMM can test that also against the ATITool voltage set. I ended up being ~.01v lower then what ATI tool set it for.
9,118 so far ;) And im sure I can get more out of the memory with the right voltages hehe. Core who knows anymore, thats trickier then the memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
625/650 w/ 1.25/1.95/1.95
I know 1.225/1.938/1.938 seems to work also but I havn't tested it 100% with a stable CPU and game testing.
got the card in. Its differtent from my last one. It has a bigger fan. + It now has a ruby sticker not an alien.
Testing card nog. Arti scanning dous not work. I alwa's get arties @ speeds higher than 550. No matter the voltage. Ik think its still bugged ?
Mem is not as good as my last card. 650 gave me instant problems. But i will try some more totday.
Inital testing gave me 550-600. Looks good for 15 min NFS MW. 575-600 gave me lockups. All stock volts. Only a bit higher fan speeds like 60-70%.
But it seems that this is not a good clocker.
Getting that on stock volts is impressive. Raise the volts up and see how it clocks then. Just because it can't do 575/600 stock doesn't mean it will be a good clocker or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Turn up the volts, and show us what its got :)
And ATITools artifact scanner is not working 100% yet so don't trust it.
Jep done that. Stock now is 560-612. If i try 625 i get withe artis all around the place. So i whent to 1.987v. Testing 650 now.Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
Hitting the max on the ram allready :( 650 is the max @ 2.0v. Now testing the core. I'm gonna look for that good old gecube bios.
That one game me an insane max op 820 on the memory. or maybe extra cooling would do the think. That 820 run was with the Vf700 so the heat of the gpu was not trancfered to the memmory chips.
Edit:
Running 600-650 now @ RTHDR-IBL. Voltages 1.150v and 1,987. All seems good its running for 20 min now temp stressed = 65c fan speed 64%. That new fan seems to help :)
Yeah very nice clocking.
I have a X1800XT coming, im gonna want to overclock it on the stock cooler, can i expect some decent results. Also how do you change voltages?
I have the same voltage bug as last time :( 1.25 = lock up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
Yes you will have good oc't. But you will not need extra voltage. Te stock voltage can hit 700-720 for the core. But you can change it with the latest ATi tool 0.25 Beta 9.
Maybe i should buy a XT board :\
My max for now is 610-649 @ 1.150 and 1.987 v. If i go higher on the core i get lockups. Voltage douse not work. And on the memory i get massive artifacts.
MR Yellow can you send your HiS bios to me ? I want to try it.
astennu91[AT]hotmail.com
I just got my X1800 XL and its having trouble OCing, i can't get the memory up at all (even a 5 mhz increase causes it to instantly reboot) and the core wont be stable at 625 w/out higher voltage and w/ higher voltage it locks up and reboots... im using the driver heaven OC utility w/ a BBATI card.. any ideas to help me?
Interesting if i get more then 65C with 700Mhz GPU it starts to hiccup in WOW more and more, randomly, until it stuck and reset adapter to default setting, so is it high temperature the problem? Surely 70C+ is alot, zalman cant keep up.
l337x3ricx : try ati tool 0.25 beta 9
allright ill give it a try... *crosses fingers* oh and in ATI tool what voltage should i set it to?Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
1.2V/1.975V/1.975V 600/600
last two voltage maybe dont need so high to be set, but better be sure :-)
yeah, ran ATI tool, the 3d thing ran for about 2 seconds... beeped and then the comp rebooted... i think i have some seriously crappy ram as it can NOT get past 495 mhzQuote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
sounds like you got 2ns RAMs :-(
ah shoot... figures I've never had good luck OCing lol, my processor refuses to go over 240 FSB, my X850 XT wouldn't do more than a 20 mhz stable oc... eeeeeepQuote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
Uptil now all ram on the X1800XL, even those labelled 2.0ns, have been able to do 600++ very easily on stock cooler. What I'd recommend is make sure you have 5.11 cats...Quote:
Originally Posted by l337x3r1cx
It should get more than 500...thats just not right. Show us pics of the card...including side views of the memory. Heck why dont you us the rating on the mem...it'll give you a chance to reseat the cooler the correct way.
Perkam
does anyone in here have an idea if the gpu and memory location on the board of the x1800 and 7800 are the same? cause i bought a water block for my x1800 xl. i know the gpu would fit for sure but dont know about the memory. this block cools the gpu and ram at the same time :) dont wanna risk opening it and get charge for a restock fee if it doesn't fit.
I've got the 5.11s and i dont know how to take off the cooler and honestly don't feel very comfortable with attempting it (installing my zalman CPU fan game me nightmares lol ;)... im going to try reinstalling the drivers... wish me luckQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Your best bet would be not to plug other peoples voltages in right away, use them as a guideline sorta, to kinda know your boundries. It would be best not to touch the voltage at all, and overclock the core and the memory separately in lets say 10mhz intervals, each time running 3dmark05, taking note of score, clock speeds, ect. once you run into instability, or crash, try bumping the voltage a notch or so. each card is gonna react differently to voltages, most likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by l337x3r1cx
For example; my card is at 560.25 on the core (1.1V), 621 on the mem (1.095/1.905) using Atitool 0.25B9. i haven't found my max yet, cause i think heat is gonna be the limiting factor judging by my last 2 sets of numbers.
Here's some of my data :)
ati(5/11) - 7326 (stock gpu/mem)(cpu2.7ghz - opty 146)
ati(5/11) - 7369 (stock gpu/mem)(cpu2.7ghz - opty 170)
ati(5/11) - 7599 (546.75/549)(cpu2.7ghz - opty 170)
ati(5/11) - 7866 (573.75/576)(cpu2.7ghz - opty 170)
ati(5/11) - 7652 (547/648)(cpu2.0ghz / ram 200mhz - opty 170)
ati(5/11) - 8119 (573.75/648)(cpu2.7ghz / ram 180mhz - opty 170)
ati(5/11) - 8104 (560.25/558)(1.1V,1.905V,1.905V)(cpu2.5ghz / ram 250mhz - opty 170) - AtiTool0.25B9
ati(5/11) - 8177 (560.25/571.5)(1.1V,1.905V,1.905V)(cpu2.5ghz / ram 250mhz - opty 170) - AtiTool0.25B9
ati(5/11) - 8219 (560.25/580.5)(1.1V,1.905V,1.905V)(cpu2.5ghz / ram 250mhz - opty 170) - AtiTool0.25B9
ati(5/11) - 8257 (560.25/589.5)(1.1V,1.905V,1.905V)(cpu2.5ghz / ram 250mhz - opty 170) - AtiTool0.25B9
ati(5/11) - 8297 (560.25/598.5)(1.1V,1.905V,1.905V)(cpu2.5ghz / ram 250mhz - opty 170) - AtiTool0.25B9 - 65.8°C
ati(5/11) - 8363 (560.25/612)(1.1V,1.905V,1.905V)(cpu2.5ghz / ram 250mhz - opty 170) - AtiTool0.25B9 - 64.8°C
ati(5/11) - 8384 (560.25/621)(1.1V,1.905V,1.905V)(cpu2.5ghz / ram 250mhz - opty 170) - AtiTool0.25B9 - 67.8°C
well i would try that... except if i raise the mem speed a mere 5 mhz it instantly crashes and rebootsQuote:
Originally Posted by Diverge
Could u plz post us ur system specs?Quote:
Originally Posted by l337x3r1cx
AMD 64 3500+ (240x10)
GEIL PC-3200 RAM 1024 MB
Chaintech VNF4 Mobo
Antec 480 Watt Power Supply
I thought it might be the PSU. But i see u have the same as me :DQuote:
Originally Posted by l337x3r1cx
Its a pitty u don't want to take a photo of ur ram chips and gpu :rolleyes:
Have u tried upping the voltage a little on ur GPU? I find upping volts on GPU aid in OC'ing ram. Also, don't use ATiTool artifact scanning, it not accurate.
yeah, I've set it to 2.1 volts on the ram, the GPU can hit 625... but the second i set the ram .5mhz higher and hit apply it instantly rebootsQuote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
First try raising only GPU volts...to say...1.2.Quote:
Originally Posted by l337x3r1cx
Then try and OC ram on stock volts?
still the same... ATI must of slapped some ghetto RAM on this card because it just wont go past 495 (Stock speed)Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Sorry to hear that. But we can only be sure once u so us a pic.Quote:
Originally Posted by l337x3r1cx
well its pretty safe to say its not so good ram, because if it weren't crappy it could at least run at the advertised clock speed of 500 mhz, I'm definately RMAing this card as in everygame (besides source based games) im getting artifacts and random reboots. Hopefully the next one is better :upset:Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
l337x3r1cx - I don't think its so scrapy ram, maybe there is some bug or your cards BIOS is the problem, try another one to test! 500+ on memory shoud do easy with defalt voltage and cooling! Show a pic of the card, 2ns memory shoud go a little bit higher than 500Mhz (1Ghz) :stick:
Hey guys,
I was just wondering what idle temps u guys are getting on ur XL?
Could u plz post ur average idle temp + room temp...just for reference.
Plz include what cooling u are using.
Mine:
Idle: 52c
Room temp: 30c (i know is pretty hot. I'm in South AfricA) :flame:
Cooler: Zalman FT VF 700cu
Thanx
Well my card will not go more then 610-648. @ 1.150-1.987.
Raising mem volt wont help 660 = no go. And rasing V-gpu douse not work eighter 620 = nog go @ 1.175. And this one is also bugged @ 1.25v :(
And i have 2.0 ns ram so that would be te problem i think. My last cars ( With 1.4 ) did 800 :\ So its a X1800 XT for me i had enough of these cards :P
yeah i dont know whats up with it... but i do know it should be able to handle 500Mhz (1ghz) and it cant, it just can not go past the stock 495... though the card is buggy with some other aspects so ill have no trouble RMAing it(thank god).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kashelz
Maybe the card is faulty?Quote:
Originally Posted by l337x3r1cx
A XT would be nice but im happy with my XL. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
I read the first 5 pages of this thread, but unfortunately I dont have the time to read on :(
From what I read the XL does a very good job with benchmarking. Is it also that good when it comes to game performance? I can still give my GT back and get a XL instead, so I'd like to know if its worth it. Thanks.
Well, i rate it better than the GT. Can u GT get 9000+ in 05?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr3ak
Also, IQ is better. But then again i prefer ATi.
BTW alot off ppl say the XL is smoother in Gameplay.
Tbh I don't need a good 3d Mark score. What I want is to play games wth it :)
From what I've seen the GT performs better than a XL in most games with stock speeds. Then again the XL overclockes like crazy whereas the GT doesn't oc that good. I haven't found any benchmarks with overclocked XLs, so I wonder if its only good for benching or also for gaming.
From what I read so far the XL has very high minimum fps on most games whereas the GT has very little minimum fps, which might explain why gaming with a XL feels "smoother".
Well there u have it! Better gaming with no loss in Image Quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr3ak
The card plays game very well. I don't have 7800GT but u can wait to hear from other ppl on this thread.
Some guys had a 7800GTX 256 and they prefered the XL over the GTX.
Translation: XL w/ XT Cooler would be nice :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Perkam