Hey guys, just found some Turions in the U.S. including the ML-40. I'm not sure on the rep of this company but here it is...............Turions
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Hey guys, just found some Turions in the U.S. including the ML-40. I'm not sure on the rep of this company but here it is...............Turions
yes but before i whant to see some benchmarks and the compatibility with desktop mobos...
The turion is amd dothan huh?
Should be nice to see what vandi clocks his at..
I noticed it runs at 35 at 1V thats a bit high
Mine loads that high at 2880 idles at 27-28 on air..max load has been 38 that ive seen
Guys, just wondering how the memory controllers are doing on the Turions? Anyone running at 300htt or over? I found a source in my state and about 1/2 hr away from my work that I can pick up a ML-37 or 40. Think I'm going to make contact and see if I can stop by his store and handpick a ML-40.
not a turion, but my newark seemed to max out at 286mhzQuote:
Originally Posted by RacerX
sad news though.. i posted this in a different thread, but the newark is dead. seems i took a wee chunk out of the corner of the die, simply refuses to boot at all.
http://eclipseoc.com/image/chip.jpg
Sorry, man. May it rest in peace. Now, get yourself a 3700+ San Diego and make that baby fly. :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: yes, sir!
nice results congratz man
i was thinking an opteron 144 cause i like to be different, and it's a lot cheaper :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
Hey ozzimark or anyone running this or another open die cpu want to tell me what you think of this HS/F combo with this CPU. Alpha PAL8150M81
I'm kinda nervous going with something like th XP90C because of how fragile the die is. I've been hearing a lot of people recommending a HS that is bolted down instead of tighted down via retention brackets. Thanks for any input on the subject. Just trying to breathe a little more life into my S754 system.
it works. i'm personally a fan of the swiftech, but it's way expensive compared to the alpha. you might be able to find a better deal for it at somewhere other than newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835108037
aha, jab-tech
http://www.jab-tech.com/customer/pro...productid=2514
Hey, thanks for the quick reply. Yeah, I was considering that one as well, but since the sink won't be in stock for almost a month I was looking at other options. But, if that is the one you recommend, then that is what I will go with. Once again thanks for your quick reply. Have a nice day :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Well ozzi im sry to hear that man, because I also have chipped my edge of the cpu but shes still purring like a lion :)
And as for the cooler I would agree the 90c that I have ais a bit of a pain in da bottom to out on and off, Ife chewed up bottom of 90c with tiny little scrapes and the newark is showing signs of wear as well, but im gonna lap it this week sometime so well see if it improves the performance a bit, no matter how u look at it the 90c cooles awesome. At 1.5 @ 2820 i idle at 27 and load at 38 which for me is awesome compared to the infinities ive had.
But if u want something a little less destructive I would def say nt to go with the ret bracker kind of coolers..
Thanks for the input Philosophy. Do you think I'll be able to touch the clocks you guys have been getting with your XP90c with something like the Swiftech? If not that's cool, as the extra clocks just aren't worth the risk of crushing the die for me. Also, what do you guys think is the better TIM, AS5 or Shin-Etsu (sp?) or other? Thanks once again for your quick replies, it's greatly appreciated. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
if it matters, i got that 3.1ghz shot with a zalman cnps-7000a.. and some really cold air :D
It seems quite a few people have been suggesting that Zalman heatsink, it looks like we've got a winner. Thanks very much. :)
Mine seems to top out around 340htt.Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX
But ive not run it for any length of time much above 300.
This is using DFI UT board and Bh5 on memory deviders.
One last question guys. Will the CNPS-7000B-Cu be too heavy for the die? Or will it be okay to use? Sorry for the repition of these questions, I just want to get the right heatsink the first time. Thanks again. :)
around 286mhz here, but i never got to test it with ram i know could do higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holst
i could get a wicked htt speed though, 433mhz on stock chipset voltage :D
the zalman won't be too heavy if you're careful with the case. if you're really worried, get the alcu version
I dont see why not as long as it coole somewhat decently, I love my 90c and all but damage it does to cpu it killer, might not help that I grinded doown the feet of the cpu retention bracket for tighter fit as well, but all in all Im happy with the perf im getting..
Once I get some good ram the world is mine muahahahaaaaa...
honestly i never even tried for max htt I always wanted to run all my stuff tight timings 1:1
Best ive done was 255 1:1 2-2-2-5-7-16 X12
I got my grubby hands on one of these chips too! :D It will hopefully arrive here by Friday. I was wondering if this chips core sits as high as a dtr in the socket because I have already trimmed down my heat sink mount so I can use a clip on heatsink. BTW the heatsink I am using is a Freezer 64.
here is the heatsink
I'll post some results once I get my chip.
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/cpu2.php?idx=10&disc=
Cant wait too see what they'll do under chilled water.
learners have you and vandi made a deal yet?
if so what did u decide to go with 3700 or 4000?
Welcome to XS BTW :toast:
Im Alienwhere from DFI street
The 3700 will be shipped around the 21st Im very anxious to give it round of testing.
wish you some good luck bro, hopefully the set of ram that you have isnt the same as mine maybe u have the ce-6 and i have the be-5 who knows or vice cersa, im thinking of selling this stuff I have now and tryint to set this ram up on the nf4 and a nixe x2 because these will do 250 2.3-3-2-5 at 2.7 over 12 hrs memtest and windows stable as well, just not on my newark and nf3..
I have never sold anything online yet but im thinking this might be a good time to start..
I love BF2 that much :)
or maybe nf3 939 and a nice x2 so i can still use some of my exhisting hardware..
Hi all, just a little update, I've ordered the newark 3700+ and it should be here on wednesday of this week. I ordered the zalman CNPS9500 along with it, that should be at my door by thursday. Wish me luck on a cherry chip guys :)
if not I have mine for sale now :P
i want a nice x2 to go along with these 2 gigs of ram :)
I just got some more Newarks!
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/6...vandixs3od.jpg
Hey Vandi or someone else able to help:
I am still away travelling but when I get back home to the States in a few weeks I want to sell off all my benching mem and just get 2 x 1GB sticks for 24/7 use.... will that be a problem? I won't expect them to OC, I just want them to sit happy at stock speeds/timings. I'll be using my Newark 3700+ & DFI nF3. The mem I'm looking at is a 2GB Corsair Value Select kit: ZipZoomFly, or Newegg. Just figured I would ask in case the two 1 gig sticks are incompatible with the Newark mem controller or something.
Thanks guys :toast:
Hey guys, My newark is scheduled to be here in a matter of hours. I already have the CNPS9500 waiting for it's new home. When you guys mounted your heatsinks on this CPU did you use a pad or anything on the sides of the CPU to soften the stress on the core, or did you just plop it down and go? Also, if you did, do you know if it's neccesary or not to use a pad? Sorry for the n00b question, this is the first time I've used a CPU with an exposed core.
can't vouch for 2x1gb, but my newark loves my 1gb crucial value stick, made it to 263mhz with stock timings :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by twilius_basic
right now im on my pdp at 250 2.5-3-2-5 3120 :)
2750 because mine wont do 3 ghz on my air setup becaus eof the fact that I dont wanna give it more than 1.6
At 2.75 shes sitting comfortably at 1.52-.54 and can go higher but im comfortable here for now.
I just wanna sell this Newark and get me an x2 so me and my 2 gigs can scream on the battlefield :) :woot:
So you are using 2 x 1GB Patriot with your Newark and it works okay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
Hey guys, just wanted to say everything is running peachy on this system as of right now. I'm running at 2760MHz right now 230x12 with my memory on a 9/10 Divider. vCore=1.5 in bios but is reported at anywhere from 1.5-1.54 in Smartgaurdian. Temps are nice with this CNPS9500 with 32C at idle and 41C at full load. (Full load = Prime95 blend for 30Minutes). I'm gonna try for the 3.0GHz mark tonight! Wish me luck.
nope right now im using only one gig stick at 251 2.5-3-2-5
Sucks for bf2 though have tio run med settings
good luck with ur 3 gig mark, mine used to be able to do it but lately it seems to top out lil over 2.9ish
cant prime anywhere over 2880 for some reason, i think the chipped corners of the core have something to do with this, still 2.9 is truely respectable imn my opinion.
I wish you luck with ur 3 gig mark man :toast:
Twilius I should be able to post some preliminary results with 2X1 gig on the patriot mem by the middle of next week cuz my newark will be here monday. :woot: Hopefully they'll run at a decent speed. Im not lookin to break any records with this setup just some search and destroy missions.(C4 is :cool: )
good luck learners premit with ur newark mine is in process of being sold as i type this, it was a fun ride but I want a x2 now and dual channel badly for my bf2 rig..
you should easily hit 2.8 - 2.9 I would guess
If ur mem works with ur newark ima spam every post I see with ur name on it dude...
lol
Thanks man I'll give these modules hell and if they suk ill give em to my son and get some different ones.
Preliminary results are in sig has been updated. So far not much luck getting these modules to run faster than 180mhz. I'm begining to think its a mem controller limitation as previously presumed by Philosiphy.I do not give up the struggle merely takin a break and planting some C-4 :) . Although these results do not reflect a terribly impressive ammount of mem bandwidth my gaming results are much better than anticipated.The additional 380+ mhz core speed has eliminated the video stagger I often encountered running my clawhammer 3700 during online BF2 matches. The SSE3 instruction set support this processor has adds an all new dynamic to controlling vehicles as well as some really sweet graphical enhancements too. The point of all this babble is if you your computing on a budget like me then I think you'll be as happy as I am to be able to keep your socket 754 system alive and well for awhile longer. I will keep sig updated with any improvements as I go.
Thanks for the update LP. Do you think these results reflect all 1GB modules with this CPU or only the Patriots? I'm looking at Mushkin 1GB sticks, looking for better performance than what these GH sticks are offering.
certainly not all 1gb sticks, as i hit 263mhz with my newark and some 1gb crucial value. there's probably something in the secondary timings messing with the results. good luck pushing it LP. 2952mhz with 1.52v eh? i would assume this is stable? :toast:
noice!!!
Great Thread so far and I got inspired to get one of those mobile Chips. Currently I have a Athlon64 3200+ mobile, older BIX5AR.
Maybe you guys can help me out i m looking for the 4000+ but it seems like its not available for End User.
How about the Turion64 CPU's. Anybody knows to what a MT-37 evtl. can overclock.
Here is what i have in mind.
Asus K8N4-E Deluxe
Sapphire X800 GTO2 (X850 XTPE mod)
2x512mb GEiL UltraX PC3200 CL 2 2 2 (Newegg has the 512mb Sticks for $58 + S/H)
CPU right now mobile 3200+ but I would like to get either a 4000+ or a Turion if they overclock well.
Yes 2952@1.525v and 104% its prime occt and everything else I can throw at it stable. CPU-Z reports volts at 1.536. Side note. This setup will break 7000 on 3dmark05 with the chiller running but its to damn cold here in Or. to run it this time of year. Also wanted to thank Philosophy,Vandi, and New-B for everything you guys have done for me without you guys I'd still be struggling to get this thing moving.Thnx guys.
So U have them 1 gig sticks doin 210 fsb right now?
Awesome clockes also dude looks like you made the right move huh bro :P
:toast:
Yea kinda sucks cuz i cant get them to run 1/1 so a 183 divider was the only solution. One stick is good up to 248 the other only 238. Oh well Im really happy with this processor tho.
Hey learners, did you ever decide to update to 6/23 Beta and see if that resolved any of your memory issues? Nice clocks BTW. :)
Hey does anyone know if the DFI Infinity NF4X is compatible with Newarks?
Also, when are we going to see the Newark 4000+ in action?
i found that 6-23 was pretty nice for my newark. definitly give it a shot :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by cmay119
Havent flashed yet was waiting on some positive feedback. I dont care to be a guinea pig in any matter. :) Looks good so far maybe this weekend.
Hey ozzi, were you able to fix the "IDE RAID Detect" issue with you Newark? Every once in a while whether changing something in the bios or just booting/rebooting I'll get that error on occasion. I'll let the computer not find a RAID and then it will reboot and usually will then boot to the OS. Kinda annoying though, when fiddeling with Ram timings for that to come up when I just want to get into memtest lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
I'm not sure if the Infinity is, I would just dft.com.tw and see if they have a BIOS that supports Rev E chips. Perhaps a BIOS that supports REV E6 Semprons.Quote:
Originally Posted by aldamon
As for the 4000+ I personally haven't seen one. The most I could find was this 3700+ which is quite a nice chip thus far. Although I've brought it all the way upto 1.65v and I still can't break that 3.0GHz Mark. I was however able to memtest86 and pass at 250 with my mem on a 9/10 Divider 2-2-2-5 @ 3.0v. I'm scared to give this chip 1.7v The board will post at 250MHz 1.65v but will not boot into windows. Keep getting the "Verifying DMI Pool" screen Until I hard reset the machine. I'm running at 1.5v with VID special set to auto, running at 2760MHz right now. Dunno if computer is stable with these clocks at 1.45v will be doing some more testing in the coming days.
I tried 6-23 was a no go for my dimms as well, My sticks in dual channel here are good for 254 2.5-3-2-5 but my cpu will only allow 2.5 on 1.35
currently im priming dual at 1.3v 2400 mhz hopin shell give up a few more hz after some burn time..
dual stress priming at 32 :P
I would have to say out of all the newarks ive came across or read about you definately have the best one Learners, I cant beleive you dont wanna be in the 3gigz club bro, thats all I wanted from my chip and she would only do it in memtest for me, no windows for that girl..the most she ever saw was maybe the window blinds :)
LOL, agreed philosophy. I'm in the same situation as you. 3.0GHz, will boot memtest, but no windows. How high did you take it in volts to try to touch 3.0GHz? I wen't all the way upto 1.65v, but too scared to try 1.7v on air cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
same as u 1.65
and onbly for a few secs
I usually kept mine at 2760 with 1.54
but right b4 i sold it the buyer wanted 2.9
so i ran it usually at 1.6 for about a week to try for 2.9 but most i could prime stable at was 2880 which is pretty close
not really. it was definitly memory related though. just go through and mess with the secondary timings. the newark was.. very picky from my recollection ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by cmay119
I agree with that ozzi one thing I know for sure is mine loved the bh-5s
just thought id let everyone know turions are at newegg from mt-30 to mt40........http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103524
guys nobody tried turion on desktop boards?
Exactly the question that I wanted to ask right now. What about a Turion ML-32? Anybody even tried overclocking one yet? :confused: Vandi, I thought you already had some Turions. Didn't you give at least one of them a try in terms of overclocking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malachia
they have been played with.. if you do some poking about. vandi himself uses (used?) a turion with his asus. the newarks seemed to be a bit more cost effective and clocked better though
Thx for your anser ozzimark. So, I'll see if I can find a turion here. Should be fun to play with anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Newark Core? Is that the +3700 socket 754 code name?
Newarks are the newer Rev. E5 CPU's for the Socket 754 Platform. They replace the DTR Clawhammer core CPU's. While the Lancaster (Turion) CPU's replace the Mobile Clawhammers. Both the Newark core and Lancaster core are 90nm in relation to 130nm of the clawhammer. Newarks are pretty much a San Diego core CPU in socket 754 clothing. Hope that helps. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkeyFace
o so its a 754... ok..that's all :)
WOW Ozzi nice clocks on that opty. How hot is that thing running?
very very hot in that shot in my avatar. max stable is actually around 2.85ghz. dunno how i was able to get an extra 450mhz out of it to make that screen with ;)
I'd like to see 1 of those under phase cooling.
#0, ozzimark, fantastic overclock!
I know you've moved on to another platform, and this thread has been hijacked, but what was the OPN for the skt3700 CPU you used in this thread? I know it says Newark in title, but do you have the OPN?
you can barely make it out in the picture in the first post:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=29756
AMN3700BKX5BU
CABSE 0515DPMW
Turions aren't so good at OCing due to thicker gate oxides.Quote:
Originally Posted by celemine1Gig
Well the 4000's finally made it!!! They have a different core than the 3700's in that they are 35w vs 62w. Can they go above 3k on air???
Has any tried one yet??? :)
v7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819104257
they made it to retail, vandi had access to them a lonnng time ago :D
also, i think 3ghz should be doable without too much trouble, esp considering the CAB2E stepping newegg shows :toast:
Cool...
I just ordered one for one of my UT250's...:)
What type of voltage should I run it at?
somewhere around where the rest of the revE's run at? :cool:
try ~1.55-1.65v if you can keep temps down
How'd the AMN4000BKX5BU do?Quote:
Originally Posted by vector7
Well better than expected...Quote:
Originally Posted by aldamon
I haven't pushed it as hard as some and it still broke 3200MHz on air! :)
v7
Sorry for the thread hijack, but was anyone able to find 2x1GB sticks that played well with this chip, or should I just stick with my 2x512 and forget about it? I'm really impressed with the difference 2GB made in my uncles computer and I'd like the same. From what problems Philosophy was having, I'm going to stay away from Infineon Chips. Do you think Samsung UCCC will play any nicer? How does 2x512 TCCD/TCC5 play with this chip?
PS, Vector, that's a killer OC there bud. Very nice. :)
i had a single stick of crucial value that did 263mhz at 3-3-3 without a hitch on the newark.. dunno how they're doing these days, or how 2 sticks would do
Thanks for the reply ozzi, you don't happen to know which IC's that memory used do ya? Thanks in advance. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
I put another 10th of a volt on the 4000 Newark making it 1.68v and found another 70MHz on air to 3,293MHz.
My ambient room temperature was 75F.
v7
very nice vector7, glad you picked up a good CPU. :up:
Thanks high5!Quote:
Originally Posted by high5
You can't imagine how hard I looked for another 7MHz...:)
http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/1619/253x139nx.jpg
wow, that lil guy is doin pretty darn good vect. is that your 24/7 setup or just kill shots??
Fricken sick vector7, quite a chip you've got there.
Anyone seen any other results out of the 4000+ yet?
open a window, you'll find it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by vector7
heres a tweak i used a few times:
point a vacuum cleaner at the heatsink :D
be carefull it doesnt get too close and damage the hardware though.
in the end any vacuum cleaner is nothing but a very strong fan...
Thanks for all the tips guys. :)
I would open a window but with 50-60F nights here it wouldn’t help much, I know I tried it...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
I wasn’t brave enough to put the vacuum hose in with all the fans spinning. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
So I’m still 7MHz short of 3300MHz.
The 3293MHz is a kill shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmatkO
To get 3293MHz I had to raise the vcore to 1.7v. On air it gets real warm real quick, idling around 110F. Water would probably get things out past 3300MHz and some serious cooling would make this chip soar.
Here are some of differences I’ve seen between the Clawhammer-vs-4000+ Newark.
The core on the 4000+ Newark is smaller than the Clawhammer. Maybe 25-30% making the idle temps warmer by around 7F. I’ve been trying to utilize the higher MHz speeds this CPU is capable of. But on air it's like walking a tight rope with voltage on one side of the beam and heat on the other.
I have found that this chip scales upward easily on air:
1.350v 2800MHz
1.450v 3000MHz
1.525v 3050MHz.
It’s getting 3.1-3.2Gigs stable on air that’s the balancing act.
I ran 3DMark at 3133MHz. At 3185Mhz I ran PiFast=40.08Secs & SPI 1M=29Secs. I ran all of these at 1.550v.
The 4000+ Newark I have doesn’t mind voltage as I have had it up to 1.7-1.8v for short periods at or above 50C without problems. I found that at 3185Mhz on air 1.58v made the CPU load temps go beyond 50C to 53C. At this speed and heat benchmarks would fail after awhile. If I kept the vcore at 1.550v it would run longer at or just above 50C. If you could keep temps significantly below 50C you could probably then run intensive benches reliably at or above 3200MHz. You really need better than air-cooling to live beyond 3200MHz. I bought this chip as an upgrade from the 3400 Clawhammer. You should be able to run it at 3000-3100MHz with premium air-cooling all day. For me the Newark 4000+ was a worthy 500MHz upgrade not having to change board and vcard. I would like to see others put some serious cooling to one and find out what these chips are really capable of.
v7
well, it's 90nm vs 130nm.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by vector7
http://www.freewebs.com/cfeclipse/size.jpg
(if pic doesn't work, copy and paste this link: http://www.freewebs.com/cfeclipse/size.jpg)
Verry nice results indead, Making the move to another DFI board for my X2, this dam Asrock has been a pain in the ass with these dimms too, I hope I can eventually find a motherboard that likes em at 1T or even 1:1 so far the asrock 1:1 250-248 :(
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/7424/260x136jv.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Very good chip, vector7. Congratz. ;)
sexy. that thing owns my late 3700+ without a doubt :toast:
Nice! :toast:
I want to get this 4000 but I am afraid that I may kill it with my Scythe Ninja...any ideas how to install it safely?
Quote:
Originally Posted by vector7
Very nice man, I have the same chip and I hit 3.13ghz easily on a stock air cooler. With water cooling I hope I can hit 3.3 ghz and maybe get it bench stable in the 3.2's. I think I got a good chip though, I am SPI32M stable at 2.88ghz at stock voltage. :D
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6...i32m4qi.th.png
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaolin95
snap her in and bolt her down.
these cores can take alot more then you think, ive never seen a cracked A64 personaly.
i mean, be careful, but it should be able to take it.
yeah, good point, be sure to lay case flat and put even pressure on, i kind of considered that a given though, sorry.
i killed my newark pretty easily. it's not quite as strong as you would think, when you appy force at an angle. if you go straight down, it can take quite a bit... just don't get it angled at all ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
where the hell should I find a newark in Europe :D
has anyone seen a shop that delivers in Belgium ?
btw, how do the 4000+ oc in comparision with the 3700+ ?
Nice scores metalman and vector7, but at what speed are your chips OCCT stable and prime95 small ftts 8hour+ stable?
I have burned too much money on flashy CPUs that do 3 ghz screenshots but arent stable above 2700 for everyday use.. :(
EDIT:
vector7 is your CPU overclocked through BIOS or do you do it in Windows?
If overclocked through BIOS, don't you get a lot of DETECTING ARRAY bootups?